Derelict Ship Full Tour

The 'star room' may not be in the actual ship, more than likely on Earth, that's where they found the location of the 'Engineers' planet. The 'Egg Chamber' has always been a bit of puzzle for me, is it part of the derelict or a structure beneath the planetoids surface, that the ship docked onto? The chamber is so vast, fading into the distance, and out of any sort of proportion to the vessel. I always felt the Alien ship was a transport that brought these eggs to the planetoid for "safe" storage, away from the 'SJ' homeworld, something went "slightly" wrong, the SJ become inpregnated, set up the warning beacon then slipped his mortal-coil. Like you, I hope we all get the chance to see a bit more inside the craft but Ridley has a habit of not letting you see too much, better to think you saw something than spell it out.

looking at the ship in the blue ray alien dvd, then watching the trailer for promo. and then back to the dvd...its the same spacecraft, in the trailers, its in the air, explodes, then crashes to the planet (i guess) at the end, . it must right itself to were it lands on the planet, then were we see it in alien, maybe (like a airplane) there was enough power to move the craft to get it near a ledge to drop off and try and fly again not sure...in either case, the sj alien that burst from the chest, has to be a queen, as who layed the eggs?. and in aliens when they find the ship and its eggs its to late the queen and her workers already took over the outpost, , there must have been more of the crew of the derelict that got impregnanted, which allowed for more aliens.......maybe ?..........

Watching the trailer, at the beginning, the whispering voices saying we were so wrong... It very much sounds like the "voice" Lambert plays in the original Alien extras. I wonder ifthat is what Ripley was deciphering when she told Ash that the message sounded like a warning? I have been a fan since I saw Alien at age 12 and have always wanted to explore more inside the derelict craft. This trailer has me very fascinated, except for the fact that the sculpture found on the wall looks too human. Sj had a more Alien appearance so I expected to see a less human appearance on that sculpture in the chamber. Sj and the Aliens have some sort of symbiotic relationship.... the containers are arranged much like the Alien queen lays her eggs. I can't wait to see this movie to learn more!

@Chumbrother, Wow, a queen must have laid those eggs, and a queen must have burst out of the Space Jockey, which means..the Space Jockey could be a female. And we have 2 females running for their lives in the trailer. Could it be....No way!

There's no indication that a queen has to be birthed from a female. Besides, we know that Ridley is ignoring the other films, including Cameron's, which includes the addition of the queen to the life cycle. Remember that, in the first film, the alien could reproduce on its own.. it would take and convert its victims into more eggs. Especially considering the idea that the alien is purposefully bred or genetically engineered.. it would make more sense to limit their reproductive ability rather than have the possibility of a queen and uncontrolled population growth on any planet that they were dropped on. By forcing the aliens to use double the amount of hosts (one to create the egg, another for the facehugger to latch onto), you're cutting the possible population in half, making them much easier to clean up afterwards. I've always thought it was more likely that one of them escaped somehow, that somewhere in that vast storage room is an egg that's already hatched (O'Bannon's original script included this). It infected the pilot, killed him, lived out its life alone, and probably starved to death. I don't think we're looking at that much of a link between the films here. I don't think the jockey in the original film has anything to do with what we're going to see in [i]Prometheus[/i].

The SJ born Alien was not a Queen, a Queen did not lay all the eggs inside the Derelict, the eggs were cargo.

@jbsmit3 Im pretty sure it has been mentioned on here before that the "we were so wrong" line we hear from the trailers could possibly be the message the hear in Alien. I just watched Alien again yesterday and I too watched the deleted scenes. I too think it sounds eerily similar to what we hear in the trailers and am willing to bet that is what the Nostromo is listening to. @Yhm sympathy Interesting thought that the star room could be found on earth. As far as the part of something going "slightly wrong" for the SJ that caused the demise of the ship has me still up in the air. I mean judging by the pilot room alone you do not see the presence of a dead face hugger anywhere on the ground. Plus there is no melting on the face of the bio-mask to get to the SJ's mouth. So could it be the SJ was purposely impregnated and sent on its mission to go somewhere, whether LV426 was suppose to be the final destination or not, to spread its wrath and the SJ was nothing more than a "fuse" to set off something greater? Or it could be the that something went wrong with the SJ plans while on route to where ever, but the SJ wasnt facehugged in the pilot chamber there is absolutely no evidence to support that.

I think if the female characters have any special importance to the plot other than their charcters then it will be due to birth of an engineer not a xeno or facehugger. After all if the tall blue guy is an Engineer / Spacejockey then he is humanoid. They may have created humans in their own form, just like the ancient astronaunt theory of aliens breeding with ancient female woman...............

Not sure why I wrote female and women lol

I agree with snorkelbottom. The eggs were cargo. The ship is meant to be massive. This is why there is so much appeal to find out what the whole ship was used for. I know there is more to it than just a pilot room and an egg cargo bay. The thing is just so enormous. Im so anxious to find out.

I just joined the discussions today. I did not realize someone else commented on the eerily familiar sound at the beginning of the Prometeus trailer as that of the "voice" we hear when Lambert plays the alien transmission (Alien deleted scene). Glad to know so many of us think alike! Alien has ben my obsession for 32 years! I wrote to Starlog magazine after Aliens was released and asked if anyone had thre guts to do a prequel to Alien because I need to know who was SJ, what was his race, how did he get infected.... is that why he crashed? Why is his massive cargo hold filled with eggs? Someone commented that the eggs were in a cave beneath the ship but if you pay attentionto where Dallas, Lambert, and Kane entered the derelict you will see that they climbed to the dome atop the ship where SJ's corpse was found. The hole that Kane descends is definitely inside that ship.

I also find the corridor that Dallas, Kane, and Lambert travel is so oddly shaped. I imagined that it had something to do with the shape of its designers. We humans create corridors to walk through based upon our height and width (pretty straight and narrow). I imagined the SJ race to be of an oddly snake like form. Twisted and deformed (by human standards). They were, in my opinion, from a part of space where biomechanical beings exist. Muchlike the Alien, the SJ race seem to be both biological and mechanically connected. Will have to see the movie to know where Ridley's mind was going.....

Another thought I had to tie Alien to Aliens is that, as parasites, the first "host" would be infected with a warrior. It is born, adapts to its surroundings, and prepares to create the new hive if, like on Nostromo, it is without Queen and "family". The first victim is taken and cultured for production of Queens egg. Next victim will be host body for gestation of hive Queen. Warrior and Queen mate so she may lay eggs. Next host is for gestationof another warrior. Warriors attavch to queen like sappendages to "hide" and protect her.

@Jbsmit3 You wrote to starlog mag and they replied to you it was a cave they lowered Kane into? Hmmm....like you said attention to detail and that it was obvious the eggs were in a holding bay in the derelict ship. I think we have caught some glimses in the trailers of the SJ, I dont think they are snake-like creatures. Your take on how the queen alien comes to be is interesting.

My apologies if I created any confusion in previous messaging. 1. I wrote to Starlog magazine after release of Aliens to inquire as to who would have the creative imagination to direct an Alien prequel that would be about the SJ race and how they came into contact with the Alien and what events led up to the crash of their ship. I imagined a movie that would be so ALIEN as to have no humans at all. 2. Someone on this site, in another string of conversation, commented that the egg chamber was not a part of the SJ derelict. That person said it must have been a cave beneath the planet surface. That person obviously has not watched Alien as many times as I have because the entry canal. Leads upwards and the SJ chair/cannon is located in the dome-like top of the ship. The egg chamber ergo is a cargo hold and is most definitely a part of the ship. 3. Pertaining back to #1. Ridley Scott himself has said that no one has ever questioned where SJ came from which is why he chose to go back where all other films had gone forward (most of them badly at that)! I had questioned the SJ origins over 20 years ago so the question was indeed posed. 4. I imagined the SJ race to be utterly "unhuman" in form based upon the shape of the ships corridors. I believed they must have snake like bodies based upon the shapeof the corridors as well as the shape of the feet of his chair. Obviously Ridley has another vision as the SJ in the trailer looks quite humanoid (disappointing to me). I hope he explains the odd shape of the SJ ships corridors since they do not appear to be designed for bi-ped beings. 5. I wrote a screenplay several years ago (didn't get anywhere as far as publication) which details the Alien life cycle and how a hive is created. In my vision I imagined the first victim of an egg would give birth to a warrior Alien, much like the silvery black Alien in the original film. Kane bumped a few eggs when in that cargo chamber but one in particular hatched. It must have been in the genetic make up to hatch a warrior first. The warrior creates the hive by genetically altering the first victim to become a queen egg. Next host gives birth to queen. Queen has two protectors, two warriors. In my minds eye I saw the two warriors attach to the queen much like an additional left/right appendage. This "masking" was for queen protection in case of superior life form attack on queen. I could just see her raise her arms and the warriors unfold from her body and attack to protect their mother/mate. 6. I have always wished we could explore the SJ ship more fully. I hope Ridley gives us that opportunity and that he brings the mystery/suspense/awe that we all felt in Alien when the derelict ship was found. From preview it appears that on one planet a chamber is found that leads Prometheus to another world where SJ's race is found. It appears that something has happened to cause a SJ ship to crash (you see Prometheus crew running to avoid the crashing ship) so this is the ship I believe we see them entering. Perhaps they find something (ALIEN) has caused the pilot to crash? Perhaps this event is what triggers another SJ to go investigate? Just my thoughts.......

In the original script/movie novel, the derelict is found near an egg silo and the eggs are not found within the derelict. From memory I think the creew find 1 empty egg and refer to it as a large vase. A hole is found at the base of the derelict and Cane is lowered down into the egg silo. This would basically mean that the Silo was already on the Planetoid and the derelict either landed near or on top of it, or crash landed there. A budget shortfall meant that Ridley had to cut and simplify the story as we see it now in Alien. I have a feeling that Ridley may want to work this back into the story in Prometheus. Perhaps the SJ simply found the egg silo on the planet and are not the creaters at all....

Brego, that is some good info. I was not aware of this. Synthetic posted a link yesterday that had some pics. Maybe this could be one of the holes/Silo openings you are describing? Sorry couldn't figure out how to just paste "the hole" picture. [url=http://studiogekko.blogspot.com/2012/01/more-prometheus_04.html]The Hole..[/url]

I am currently ready Alan Dean Foster's novelization and literally read last night the reference to the egg cargo chamber as being a cave that extends beneath the derelict. That's where that idea comes from. I'm enjoying the novel, but that concept doesn't seem to jive with the visuals in the film and I tend to lean toward the film for validation in that regard. In regards to the shot with the star map, if you look it over closely, you can see that it's the chamber with the SpaceJockey's chair. The chair hasn't risen from the floor just yet. The circular pattern on the floor, I believe, bares that out.

Sorry if I caused any confusion. Ridley had stated that he didn't know why no one had ever questioned where SJ came from, how he came to be in a crashed ship on LV 426 (as we now refer to it since Aliens). I posed these questions after the release of Aliens when writing to Starlog magazine. It was a writer in this forum who said the eggs were in a cave beneath the derelict.

I believe the "blue mist" covering the eggs was a warning device to alert the crew if any of the cargo was compromised. There was no blue mist in Aliens which suggests it was a mechanism indigenous to SJ's ship. I could have spent the entire first hour of Alien exploring more of SJ's ship!

I also imagined SJ's species to be more snake like in body appearance based upon the shape of the ships corridors as well as the shape of the feet of his chair. I am disappointed to think Ridley has made SJ to be a biped! (if indeed the bluish skinned biped being in the preview is SJ and not the infected crew member of Prometheus).

I'm sure the tie in will be wonderful considering Ridley is directing the story. Everything after Aliens has been nothing but crap and an embarrassment to the Alien storyline. I wrote a screenplay to tie all elements prior to Alien with Aliens. I called it Infestation. Obviously it got nowhere but I still imagine that the Alien originated on another world and that SJ, an explorer, came in contact with the species at some point in his travels. His demise was as that of the crew of Nostromo. He didn't know what he had found. He purposely crashed his ship, set a warning beacon, and died when he "gave birth".

His crew set the "blue mist" containment field. My mind goes crazy in speculation! I thought my story would have intrigued fans. I gave definition to the Alien life cycle as the first born would be a warrior. The warrior took its first victim to be cultivated into a queen bearing egg. The next victim would be host for queen. The queen lays eggs and all following victims were hosts for the hive, save a few that would be needed for sustenance. The queen has two warriors to protect her and the hive. The warriors attach themselves to the queen to stay well hidden. Under threat the queen lifts her arms and the warriors detach, like massive appendages, to surprise and attack invaders.

Warriors look like the original Alien. It seems that Cameron turned the Aliens into something "weak" and their heads were totally wrong. While the Alien squealed in a most ALIEN manner, Cameron's Aliens sounded like a herd of elephants. After that, in all other movies, the Alien was just a big slimy beast. The original Alien, with his silvery black appearance, will be the ONLY Alien in my book. Nothing compares! Ash said it all when he refered to it as the perfect organism. Giger had it right... perfect!

I hope we do get some answers to how those eggs came to be in the derelict ship. But one thing I dont understand is how did the eggs got placed in the cargo bay with out hatching? They are designed to facehug any living thing that comes near it. I agree the blue mist was specifically desinged for the holding of the eggs to keep them from releasing a face hugger. Otherwise Kan would have been attacked once he first set foot on that platform. As we all know it wasnt until he fell through the blue mist that he was attacked.