The Prometheus Hypocrisy

@Jeystone - Same here, if this is given a stupidly low rating then I'm not gonna bother either. I don't wanna watch this film with a bunch of stupid rowdy kids sat near me! YES I know people will say "See it at a later time then), maybe I don't want to. . . :) This movie needs at least a 15 rating!

im sure i read somewhere that ridley championed it be rated an 18.. if they want to piss off the fans he will stand firm with the bean counters.

It's been known Ridley Scott submitted 2 cuts, one PG13 & one R rated (Google it). Europe will most likely get the R rated one. If American audience wants to experience "an uncompromising vision of outer space terror" they are either gonna have to wait for BluRay Director's Cut in December, or get a plane ticket to Paris on 30th of May. The reason for a PG13 release is because 20th Century Fox, after grossing $2.7billion with AVATAR, cannot wait for James Cameron to get his space-age 3D gear ready for the sequel, and ask Ridley to deliver "something like AVATAR.."

Ive also heard that two cuts were filmed 1 PG13 for the theatres and 1 R for the blu-ray release I cant see that though, a watered down version for the theatre?

I was thinking... even in today's ratings world, would the chestburster scene from 'Alien' make a PG-13 rating? I'm not sure. Could you imagine that film without that scene and still have the effect it has had on people. I am having trouble imagining true horror (some blood and guts help emphasize ideas as evidenced in the chestburster scene in 'Alien') in a PG-13 rated movie. I guess we'll see how effective it is if in fact it is released with a PG-13 rating.

Didn't LORD OF THE RINGS get away with PG13 with all those beheadings, the disgusting sliminess of the Orcs, the constant battle violence (stabbing, slashing), giant elephants goring cavalrymen etc. I think PROMETHEUS can be intense & involving without the R rating.

True about LOTR and I agree that a PG13 can be intense and involving. However, I'm not sure anything in LOTR was even close to what the chestburster scene was like or what it did to audiences. I just think 'Alien' minus the chestburster scene (I don't think that scene would make a PG13 rating, even today) would change things dramatically and that's a concern for people when it comes to Prometheus. The chestburster scene unsettled so many people. Prior to it erupting, the Nostromo crew (and you, the viewer) had no idea what the facehugger was doing. So, when it erupts from Kane's chest and you see it coming out, you know it was an egg/creature, you know something was alive inside Kane all that time and you know the pain he must have gone through. It also played on homophobic fears that some men have and tortured women who've given birth, both at the same time. Sure, you could allude to the eruption/bursting without showing anything, but, again, I'm just not sure the audience would have been as unsettled. And that is a concern for some people when it comes to Prometheus. Could you imagine John Carpenter's 'The Thing' without seeing the transformations and grotesque things happening to the men's bodies? And for the record, I'm not into blood and guts just for the heck of it. I just thought I could explain the concerns of many people over what might be left out in a PG13 and how that could affect the experience.

My hatred for the people behind region coding, unskippable ads and BD-related access control nonsense is far, far greater than any notion that I would easily shrug off buying an 'R' rated version after already being conned into buying the PG13 one. I'd rather wait.

But this movie, even if it is pg13 won't make anywhere near what Avatar did! It's not nearly as commercial or "popular" in many peoples eyes. Even though Prometheus will be a million times better. . . Also, please God don't let Cameron do a sequel to it!

I dont think is a matter of age there are kids/adults that want it to have an R to see sex and kinky things ( that there will be NEVER is a ridley scott movie ) and there are kids/adults that fear a "light" tone of the movie to reach a pg13 ...and missing that couple of moments of "ohh shitt" that made alien great . hostel and saw to me are movies for teens ( and not regarding the age ) .

Did you see how many kids (7 and younger) were out with their parents to see Avatar when it was released? I don't think nearly as many parents will allow their youngsters in to see Prometheus with them.

I'm expecting something with a lot more weight and gravitas then lord of the rings a hell of lot more,.. dont get me wrong lotr was an reasonable fantasy picture but ridleys a lot more grounded then that and when he says he wants to make a NASTY pic it will be visceral, competent, effective, and above all believable. He has always made a point of reflecting that he never believed most sc fi so when he takes on a scfi project he comes at it with a view to making it as realistic and challenging as possible . It cant have escaped his attention the massive amount of anticipation and speculation about this and its more than likely that this film in particular is being discussed and debated more than any one of his films in recent years. Maybe this film is or will be viewed as the most talked about film of his career since in the days of blade runner, and alien, there was no internet so to speak therefore i am pretty sure that his people, and staff will be updating him on the vast speculation, and expectation of this film and it wont have escaped fox's notice either. So will they go with a film that younger audience numbers can attend or will ridley keep to his original notion of creating a nasty perverse scfi epic the anticipation is palpable.

@LyleP that's exactly it...Prometheus is already NOT in the mainstream Transformers, Avatar etc category, and will not appeal to these types of people anyway..I'd be suprised if they could even say the name properly So why not just satisfy the people who WILL see this movie...i.e. the Alien/Aliens generation..we sure as hell know what we want, and if some 9 year old kid doesn't get to see it because of a scene where a Xeno rapes a crew member anally, so be it...tough.... Making this a PG is wrong on so many levels and dimensions I can't even discuss all of them here...I wonder what Giger thinks of this

Something else to remember is at Comic Con, Scott said, "What I want to do is scare the living shit out of you." Is it easier to do that in a PG13 or an R? Hmmm....

Membrane...the timing of your post right after Jeystone's could not have been more funnier. LOL!

Where are you getting this idea that people want sex and kinky ideas from frantz that is not why i want an adult film to be made. I want exposition, i want visceral, i want realistic, i want challenging deep sc fi with an emphasis on the primal fears of humankind, and a philosophical, outlandish perverse content,.. perverse means unusual not sexually perverse. There's been a plethora of kids scfi over the years and quite frankly i'm bored to death of this safe predictable nonsense, i want something that i can leave the cinema debating with friends and myself for a long time afterwards i want original fresh involving scfi not kiddy fodder. And to assume ridley would not deliver such a thing is just not true remember the brain frying scenes in Hannibal. If it makes an impact and serves the story well ridley will do what ever it takes to reach his objectives if he's really serious about scaring the crap out of his audience.

the LotR movies are cartoons....the violence is not realistic

@membrane..yes he said that...and I hope to God it is true....however more recently to that the PG rumours have been near confirmed I think Burke from the company hijacked this movie.."with an R rating everyone steps in, administration steps in, bbfc steps in, and there's no exclusive rights for anyone" Bottom line: film violence is a thing of beauty, it is art...to restrict it is to censor art...

Wasn't there something somewhere that said one or two of the human males is forced into having sex cause the SJ were interested in how our reproduction worked, or didn't know we had males and females and made the one guy rape the other cause there species only had one sex....if that's true then no way it's pg-13

and i agree with you alteredstate ..but remember that Ushbuck was a stereotype of people that actually exist ... btw violence in movie is art only when its artistic and have a mean ... you cant remove the rape scene from Deliverance ...but the violence in hostels movies or saw movies is "pathetic" imo ...reservoir Dogs NEED that violence ...so depend ....

no SSGT fett ....that was from a fake plot ....the alien harvest fake plot ( that have nothing to share with Spaihts )

violence in itself isnt interesting...Alien had very little violence

no way it's pg-13...fox would be shooting it's self in the foot if it made Sir Riddley make a movie pg-13 when his direction was R....Not to worried...i'm sure he'll get his way and the movie will rock. Haven't seen a bad Scott movie yet

well like so much of this films speculation we have to sort the wheat from the chaff, that rumour is exactly that a rumour and all we really know for sure is whats been discussed by ridley and lindelof at comic con and the recent articles in the magazines, and press. The space jockey orgy is just another piece of supposition unless ive missed something.

Well some movies were rated pg13 or 15/16 despite of some really gross and scary scenes like in event horizon While some harmless movies like Residen evil apocalypse got a 18 rating in germany. I wonder why nobody here suspects that Fox might got through with a pg13 with prometheus through its influence, while some others With the same movie might end up as r rated!

imdb has event horizon classified as 18 / r

It should be 'R' rated and be a brave new threshold of thoughtful horror. Time dilation horror, adult Giger horror. Alone on a distant planet thousands of light years away horror. Not cheap jumps, frights and bumps. I agree wholeheartedly Jeystone, the Scott/Giger roots belong in '79 and the Necronomicon when the audience of that time was about to be plunged across a new horror threshold. Let it happen again and sweep away the teen 'safe' muck. A revolution in film is needed. Badly.

here here zeta.

I just want something that can only be described as profound, surreal, and disturbing.....that isn't asking much

jeez, chill folks. This movie [i]won't[/i] be, nor should it be a carbon copy of "Alien." If there's any gore/shock-content that doesn't make the theatrical cut, it will unquestionably show up on the blu-ray release. What? like you're not going to buy the blu-ray or DVD? Yeah, that's what I thought.