Alien Vault Declares The Space Jockey is benevolent and innocent.

well said, and thats what i hit on or was trying to, to me there was always some kind of evil vibe to the thing, I don't know maybe cause of it being of GIGER DESIGN, but it's a BioMechanical Monstrosity or was at least to me all this time until I read that.

Then we go to Dan's original story talked to Cinefex when the film was made about how the resulting space jockey "I expected it to look horrible when you see it in the film, but then if you looked at it a bit closer, you'd discover that it didn't have the large teeth or the mandibles or any other thing that are characteristic of a carnivore - and then maybe you'd begin to imagine it as some totally non-violent herbivorous creature sailing around space." Upon that there might be the question whether you find the elephant like skull of the thing to hold some idea of innocence to it and whether one might think it was a telescope rather than a gun that he was sitting at. I suppose we'll never actually find out which members of the production were talking about the entity looking unexplainably benign though apart from O'Bannon. They might have been watching this thing being built as a thing separate from the chamber set well, by the end of the film production as it shows in Book of Alien,, since the derelict and the silo were merged, questions came about whether the space jockey had those spores in the cargo hold on purpose, if it was a cargo hold, and Ridley had started asking if the derelict was a freighter with the pilot carrying it's own youn or a battlewagon and soon down further paths of discussion, it started to become for Ridley a warmongering entity and by the time of the Alien laserdisc interview, something akin to the idea of one of the ancient gods of war like our idea of the ancient Roman god Mars. At the end of the day what sort of creature is it that looks as if it's piloting a demon's tomb?

well, O'Bannon's thought the creature looked benign because it wasn't equipped as a carnivore and the only reason it was on the planetoid was as a space explorer with archeological interests and a need to warn others to stay away from the danger, and maybe the creature seemed more benign as an immobile entity with its semi foetal looking elephantine skull and as a sculpture alone, before the spores in the bowels of its ship became in Ridley's point of view its cargo and by the end of the production Ridley was discussing the idea that it was a battlewagon and something went wrong and years later, this creature in the seat was a member of a civilisation that were the gods of war like our ancient Roman god Mars. I suppose Ridley wasn't too mournful about the entity. However I think Giger's space jockey cockpit painting with the light coming through the dome is to me a little more like what Ian Nathan was describing ".a lost soul staring into his telescope at the unreacheable heavens forevermore" than what is seen in the film where it seems that some people thought the telescope was a weapon [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E3w5pQJ2-IQ/Tz2TGvlcFOI/AAAAAAAAA-I/kWasrX4tsXE/s500/spacejockey.jpg[/img]

Love that shot, right out of the book, you must have access to a sweet little scanner...Thanks!

well, someone with a sweet little scanner put it up there. not quite sure who

I assumed it was you that did since it was sitting inside your last post but what do I know anyways, lol...

[IMG]http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/dbshark94/SJ%20Costume/IMG_6351.jpg[/IMG] Personally, I think he's rather handsome.

awesome man

Okay, Spartacus, I scanned and uploaded the space jockey painting from my Giger's Alien book and replaced the old one because I didn't like the T that the person put in the corner of the previous one. Now you can make the assumption.

Awesome SJ head db! I read your post on the making of this. Well done! I think it's interesting that the SJ has the elephantine snout / breathing apparatus. I read somewhere that in man's pre-history, when humans came across a baby elephant skull, they thought it was from a pre-existing giant human race. This then 'substantiated' the age old myths of when 'giants roamed the earth' . Oh but there I go, talking about myself again... lol I hope Rizzle is right and Giger has been brought in to do more than a few murals. Until relatively recently I thought the SJ telescope was a 'gun' to launch the bio-weapons we've heard so much about . Now, I've changed my mind. If Ridley sticks to the Giger portrayal, then the SJ's are just fodder for the real controlling entities...as in the Alien life cycle painting.... thx for that reminder Wmmvrrvrrmm ...

Rizzle - I like your thoughts. If indeed we are going to see the space-jockey in this movie (I'm still not 100% convinced that the blue guy behind the 'S' [b]is[/b] the SJ) , then we will need to be introduced to the larger mystery of who does the SJ work for? Because it can't just end with the SJ - right? I believe you are bang on target there. Looking at those two SJ suits in the hall with Noomi, I have to ask myself, is that the best place to keep a bio-suit? How would you get into it? To me they look more like statues on a pedestal. Look at the base...look at the floor - instructions or high praise? [IMG]http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o612/Nephilim-LV426/Prometheus/Prometheus_SJ_Suit_or_Statue.jpg[/IMG] Like - 'This is what we worship - this what we want to become'. The way we make statues of our heroes. I'm more interested in what is inside those 'hybernation' chambers on the floor of the SJ room. What is inside those? Maybe the real SJs? Thoughts...? OMG I just saw the

There are different perceptions of the Space Jockeys. I have read about how they are benevolent and hope to meet mankind under better circumstances.....but they are also shown to be malevolent, perhaps even ambivalent. Considering that these are supposedly godlike entities, it's realistic to assume that since they have a higher technological capability and a higher level of intelligence, they wouldn't need to take their creations' well-being or interests to heart. As for the Space Jockey being something subordinate......well, damn. That reminds me of the issue of "what created that which created that which created that which created that which created that which created that which created that which created that which created that which created God," that sort of thing. I'm sure that since the Space Jockeys are a physical, sentient species, they probably believe in some higher power of sorts, some celestial entity that just [i]is[/i] (kind of like how we humans perceive God). I ordered Alien: Vault a few days ago at Barnes & Noble, and I'm looking forward to receiving it so I can dig into it......there was a copy available there, but once I noticed that the book is chock-full of little pieces of paper and what-not, I distrusted that it had everything, so I'm hoping for a fresh copy soon.

I like the man uses the squid against the engineers tact. I thought of that last night. Also, Shaw and Holloway may get to third base before Shaw backs it all off. This will create a bit of tension between the two. Later Holloway is transformed into a monster and goes back to rape Shaw. Shaw gives birth to the squid. So, we have a Daughter of Shaw like we had a Son of Kane. Shaw uses the squid to attack the Engineers. The last (and first) point is a stretch because Shaw seemed repulsed by having an Alien coming out of her. I don't know why she would be freaked since it is a historic moment. So, it is hard to believe Shaw will get close enough to the squid or face huger to purposefully unleash it on the Engineers. Also, the SJ helmet looks like a face huger. If that is connected, then the Engineers get all kissy face with Aliens.