Alien Vault Declares The Space Jockey is benevolent and innocent.

Hmm. . . Isn't that contrary to what we've been lead to believe about the SJ race all along?? IF that is the case, the engineers that Ridley Scott is on about in Prometheus can't be them surely??

I always thought he was a good guy, from the very first time I saw Alien. Guess we were all wrong....

The hole in the SJ's chest is proof that it was a victim of 'something' with a much larger and more frightening agenda... ultimate survival ... for what end we do not know... is that 'something' a bio-creation tool of the 'gods' that got corrupted by humans or is it created that way on purpose... making the SJ just a pawn in the whole larger 'gods' universe.... this is what is going to make this new Prometheus universe so "epic" to use Scotts' words. He has said this movie will upset both biologists and theologists... be prepared to have your head spun around....!!! I think we should all have a party at 100 days left to go... !!!

John Hurt who plays Kane also plays the titular ELEPHANT MAN in a b&w movie directed by David Lynch. In the movie, he is mocked and abused by the world which sees him as a freak, an abomination. It's the world that is cold & cruel & desolate, devoid of any soul & humanity. In ALIEN, a 1979 scifi directed by Ridley Scott, Kane, the original Elephant Man, discovers the monument of his hellish state of mind, cold, desolate, devoid of any humanity.

Yet the same book points out, that derelict ship serves as some kind of bombarding vessel using alien eggs for attacking planets. No so innocent race I guess.

Anyone ever considered that the Space Jockeys are slaves? Suppose the SJs are peaceful for all intents and purposes; however, suppose that maybe SJs themselves stole technology from the engineers, and their punishment is slavery. One role an enslaved SJ must play is to deliver a ship full of eggs to a world that the engineers wish to colonize. You, as a peaceful SJ, are helping your slave masters commit xenocide, and you are powerless to resist. RickK posted the following comment on [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1122]Gods/Engineers/Space Jockey's. . . [/url]: [quote]Maybe the space jockeys are the slaves, and the gods are something we haven't seen yet (whoever's in the giant disk-shaped thing in the waterfall scene? The giant head / idol/whatever it is?) The clean symmetrical disk shape over the watefall and the totally asymmetrical shape of the derelicts are at totally opposite ends of the spectrum, doesn't seem like the same technology was used to build both. [/quote]

I like all the points that have been brought up. I'm really torn on what to think. In Alien, we see this dark, gothic Giger derelict ship with the vast egg chamber and the SJ on the gun, or whatever it is. It seems like some huge battle or something along those lines happened, maybe an escape of the Xeno's? I could buy the fact that the SJ's are innocent. But I guess we'll have to see.

It's hard to say what a "space jockey" is anymore - now that Ridley's changed what we saw in Alien from a creature to a suit, it could have been anything (or anyone) inside it.

If you notice the numerous misspellings and typographical errors (fat fingering) in the original post, then it becomes obvious: this post was originated by a creature with incomplete knowledge of English and much larger hands and fingers then the average human bean. Additionally, the poster's badge, of the whimsical "Alien" from "SpaceBalls" is designed to give us a "warm-and-fuzzy"; to make us feel safe and happy at the prospect of encountering a Xenomorph. I believe that this post was written by a Space Jockey (possibly with Space Jockey-itch) in an attempt to lull us (humanity) into a dull sense of complacency, which has apparently been successful, too! Be vigilant fellow humans! The human crop is at it's greatest number of all time (7+ billion individuals) and the chefs are in the kitchen sharpening their knives and heating up the barbeque grills! Just because you're paranoid, it DOESN'T mean they're not out to get you! =8>O

@ Captain Dallas, lol. You, sir, are the only human bean here. : ) I, for one, welcome our new elephantine, elephantastic overlords.

Right......

i also have the alien vault and love the original concept of how the eggs were found in a temple. like how in that shitty avp film the human race would use the eggs to sacrifice people but that idea could not happen due to lack of budget.

Page 98 folks...I was only off by 25 or so pages but here is the direct quote, incidently, my new apointment for the new provider set up is this coming week so I will be able to get on from home again this week sometime, early next the latest... again..the quote I got it from was actually on Page 98 of The Alien Vault and it reads... "The Jockey possesses an air both elegiac and hopeful - the universe might yet offer non-lethal contact. Quite why he was {And IS} considered "Benign" is hard to pinpoint yet everyone who saw him mourned his passing...a lost soul staring into his telescope at the unreacheable heavens forevermore" WOW...did that quote ever OPEN MY FRIKKIN EYES !!!

Member Posts: 5 Send PMCaptain Dallas › Posted 02/14/2012 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------THIS GUY ACTUALLY WROTE THIS....WHICH I WILL NOW ANSWER AT THE END. If you notice the numerous misspellings and typographical errors (fat fingering) in the original post, then it becomes obvious: this post was originated by a creature with incomplete knowledge of English and much larger hands and fingers then the average human bean. Additionally, the poster's badge, of the whimsical "Alien" from "SpaceBalls" is designed to give us a "warm-and-fuzzy"; to make us feel safe and happy at the prospect of encountering a Xenomorph. I believe that this post was written by a Space Jockey (possibly with Space Jockey-itch) in an attempt to lull us (humanity) into a dull sense of complacency, which has apparently been successful, too! Be vigilant fellow humans! The human crop is at it's greatest number of all time (7+ billion individuals) and the chefs are in the kitchen sharpening their knives and heating up the barbeque grills! Just because you're paranoid, it DOESN'T mean they're not out to get you! =8>O HERE IS WHAT HAS HAPPENDI DECIDED TO SWITCH PROVIDERS SO FOR THE TIME BEING I HAVE ONLY BEEN ABOE TO LOG ON FROM WORK...LAST WEEK, EACH TIME I MADE POSTS, THE INTIAL POST AND THEN WENT IN TO EDIT IT, THE EDITOR WOLD NOT WORK PROPERLY OR LET ANY SPELLING AND GRAMATICAL ERRORS BE CORRECTED OR THE POST TO BE DELETED AFTER...THERE IS MORE TO THIS BUT I FELT IT WAS WORTH MENTIONING WHILE I CONSIDER RECOMMENDING YOU FOR A BAN OR JUST LOCKING THE THREAD. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY NOW ABIUT THIS WHILE I MUL IT OVER...AND THANKS.

AND HERES' THAT QUOTE AGIN FROM PAGE 98 "The Jockey possesses an air both elegiac and hopeful - the universe might yet offer non-lethal contact. Quite why he was {And IS} considered "Benign" is hard to pinpoint yet everyone who saw him mourned his passing...a lost soul staring into his telescope at the unreacheable heavens forevermore"

I know all of this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I need to add my two cents. One thing that has always bothered me about the idea of the prequel, is that once you begin to explore the concept of the space jockey, you completely destroy the air of mystery around it, which the original film created so well. So a way to counter it, would be to introduce something else into the equation. If I’m not mistaken, Ridley Scott mentioned somewhere, that he was bringing Giger in, to work on a special project for him, which would play a part in the new film. Giger is not working on the design of the new aliens. Someone else is doing that..... so what is this special project? From all reports, Giger’s input seems to be limited.... His involvement is not as great as it was, in the original film. So I think that the space jockey, IS just a tool... or a creation of something else. Whatever that something else is...... it IS the special project that Giger was working on. Perhaps its this “face of god” rumor that has floated around?! Maybe! [u]WARNING: SPECULATIVE SPOILERS AHEAD[/u] The space jockey is actually just a suit. Scott already said that there may be something else inside it. I think its likely that the space jockey is just a mutated human, that has been mutated for the purpose and side effects of deep space travel. A kind of perfected astronaut. All of the early statements by Scott, before the film went into prodction and the lid of secrecy came down, contain hints. Similarly....the face-hugger is a product of the mixture of a space jockey helmet, and the DNA from some sort of parasitic organism, which may be indigenous to whatever planet they are on. Failing that, it may be DNA, from one of the skeletal monstrosities that Kate Dickie mentioned. Whatever the case may be, I feel that the helmet and the face-hugger are linked, via the DNA of a third party and the green goo. In my opinion there is more than just a hint of that in the leaked picture of the SJ mask. I also suspect that the creation of the facehugger.... and hence the alien, will be depicted in Prometheus as being the end result of an act of treachery and betrayal on the part of man. Perhaps it will be us who create the alien, as a weapon against the SJ, and not the other way around.

I agree with all of that except there is no way the XENOMORPH was man made, none...it was created by a race of beings who wanted or want the perfect [u][i][b]terra-forming and bio-weapon article.[/b][/i][/u]

Rumor has it that Space Jockeys have no understanding or comprehension of humor; it seems to make them snivel and whine.

lol good one

well, "Book of Alien" by Scanlon and Gross which came out at the time of Alien talked about the Space Jockey being seen as benign "Sitting in repose in its doomed derelict ship, the jockey appears to somehow have been a benign creature. People involved in the film tend to agree on this. But they can't explain why", I suppose this is at least part of what Ian Nathan was referring to.

well said, and thats what i hit on or was trying to, to me there was always some kind of evil vibe to the thing, I don't know maybe cause of it being of GIGER DESIGN, but it's a BioMechanical Monstrosity or was at least to me all this time until I read that.

Then we go to Dan's original story talked to Cinefex when the film was made about how the resulting space jockey "I expected it to look horrible when you see it in the film, but then if you looked at it a bit closer, you'd discover that it didn't have the large teeth or the mandibles or any other thing that are characteristic of a carnivore - and then maybe you'd begin to imagine it as some totally non-violent herbivorous creature sailing around space." Upon that there might be the question whether you find the elephant like skull of the thing to hold some idea of innocence to it and whether one might think it was a telescope rather than a gun that he was sitting at. I suppose we'll never actually find out which members of the production were talking about the entity looking unexplainably benign though apart from O'Bannon. They might have been watching this thing being built as a thing separate from the chamber set well, by the end of the film production as it shows in Book of Alien,, since the derelict and the silo were merged, questions came about whether the space jockey had those spores in the cargo hold on purpose, if it was a cargo hold, and Ridley had started asking if the derelict was a freighter with the pilot carrying it's own youn or a battlewagon and soon down further paths of discussion, it started to become for Ridley a warmongering entity and by the time of the Alien laserdisc interview, something akin to the idea of one of the ancient gods of war like our idea of the ancient Roman god Mars. At the end of the day what sort of creature is it that looks as if it's piloting a demon's tomb?

well, O'Bannon's thought the creature looked benign because it wasn't equipped as a carnivore and the only reason it was on the planetoid was as a space explorer with archeological interests and a need to warn others to stay away from the danger, and maybe the creature seemed more benign as an immobile entity with its semi foetal looking elephantine skull and as a sculpture alone, before the spores in the bowels of its ship became in Ridley's point of view its cargo and by the end of the production Ridley was discussing the idea that it was a battlewagon and something went wrong and years later, this creature in the seat was a member of a civilisation that were the gods of war like our ancient Roman god Mars. I suppose Ridley wasn't too mournful about the entity. However I think Giger's space jockey cockpit painting with the light coming through the dome is to me a little more like what Ian Nathan was describing ".a lost soul staring into his telescope at the unreacheable heavens forevermore" than what is seen in the film where it seems that some people thought the telescope was a weapon [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E3w5pQJ2-IQ/Tz2TGvlcFOI/AAAAAAAAA-I/kWasrX4tsXE/s500/spacejockey.jpg[/img]

Love that shot, right out of the book, you must have access to a sweet little scanner...Thanks!

well, someone with a sweet little scanner put it up there. not quite sure who

I assumed it was you that did since it was sitting inside your last post but what do I know anyways, lol...

[IMG]http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p495/dbshark94/SJ%20Costume/IMG_6351.jpg[/IMG] Personally, I think he's rather handsome.

awesome man

Okay, Spartacus, I scanned and uploaded the space jockey painting from my Giger's Alien book and replaced the old one because I didn't like the T that the person put in the corner of the previous one. Now you can make the assumption.

Awesome SJ head db! I read your post on the making of this. Well done! I think it's interesting that the SJ has the elephantine snout / breathing apparatus. I read somewhere that in man's pre-history, when humans came across a baby elephant skull, they thought it was from a pre-existing giant human race. This then 'substantiated' the age old myths of when 'giants roamed the earth' . Oh but there I go, talking about myself again... lol I hope Rizzle is right and Giger has been brought in to do more than a few murals. Until relatively recently I thought the SJ telescope was a 'gun' to launch the bio-weapons we've heard so much about . Now, I've changed my mind. If Ridley sticks to the Giger portrayal, then the SJ's are just fodder for the real controlling entities...as in the Alien life cycle painting.... thx for that reminder Wmmvrrvrrmm ...