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craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 10:23 PMOk....so......the following is from Alan Dean Foster's novelization of 'Alien', which was adapted directly from an early version of the script. We know this due to the fact that the facehugger, for one, has an eye on its back, which was taken from early Giger concept art. Two, the derelict, in the novel, lacks a central chamber with a SpaceJockey pilot.
The following directly concerns our numerous conversations about what, exactly, the Company knew about the signal, the alien, etc...why they sent the Nostromo...why Dallas' former science officer was replaced with Ash five days before they left Thedus...etc….And, a very interesting bit about the xeno’s origin:
Page 248 - 250
"'He's been protecting the alien from the beginning. I tried to tell you.' [Ripley] gestured at [Ash's] corpse....'He was using Kane's life as an excuse, but he was never interested in Kane. He let that thing grow inside him, knew what was happening all the time. And he set of the emergency airlock Klaxon to save it.'
'But why?' Lambert was struggling, still couldn't put it all together.
‘I’m only guessing, but the only reason I can come up with for putting a robot crew member on board with the rest of us and not letting us know about it at the time is that someone wanted a slave observer to report developments back to them.’ She glanced up at Lambert. “Who assigns personnel to ships, makes last-minute changes like trading science officers, and would be the only entity capable of secretly slipping a robot on board? For whatever purpose?’
Lambert no longer looked confused. ‘The Company.’
‘Sure.’ Ripley smiled humorlessly. ‘The Company’s drone probes must have picked up the transmission from the derelict. The [i]Nostromo[/i] happened to be the next Company vessel scheduled to pass through this spatial quadrant. They put Ash on board to monitor things for them and to make sure we followed something Mother calls Special Order 937.’
‘If the follow-up on the transmission turns out to be worthless, Ash can report that back to them without us ever knowing what was going on. [b]If worthwhile, then the Company learns what it needs to know before it goes to the trouble of sending out an expensively equipped exploration team.[/b] Simple matter of maximizing profit, minimizing loss. Their profit, our loss.’”
Page 251 – 253
Ash speaking: “‘I was directed to reroute the [i]Nostromo[/i] or make sure that its crew rerouted it from its assigned course so that it would pick up the signal, program Mother to bring you out of hypersleep, and program her memory to feed you the story about the emergency call. Company specialists already knew that the transmission was a warning and not a distress signal.’
Parker’s hands clenched into fists.
‘At the source of the signal,’ Ash continued, ‘we were to investigate a life form, almost certainly hostile according to what the Company experts distilled from the transmission, and bring it back for observation and Company evaluation of any potential commercial applications. Using discretion, of course.’
‘Of course,’ agreed Ripley, mimicking the machine’s indifferent tone. ‘[b]That explains a lot about why we were chosen, beyond the expense of sending a valuable exploration team in first.[/b]’ She looked coldly pleased at having traced the reasoning behind Ash’s words.
‘[b]Importation to any inhabited world, let alone Earth, of a dangerous alien life form is strictly prohibited. By making it look like we simple tug jockeys had accidentally stumbled onto it, the Company had a way of seeing it arrive at Earth ‘unintentionally.[/b]’ While we maybe got ourselves thrown in jail, something would have to be done with the creature. Naturally, Company specialists would magnanimously be standing ready to take this dangerous arrival off the hands of the customs officers, with a few judicious bribes prepaid just to smooth the transition.
‘And if we were lucky, the Company would bail us out and take proper care of us as soon as the authorities determined we were honestly as stupid as we appeared. Which we’ve been.’
‘Why?’ Lambert wanted to know. ‘Why didn’t you warn us? Why couldn’t we have been told what we were getting ourselves into?’
‘Because you might not have gone along,’ Ash explained with cold logic. ‘Company policy required your unknowing cooperation. What Ripley said about your honest ignorance fooling customs was quite correct.’
‘You and the damn Company,’ Parker growled. ‘What about our lives. man?’
‘Not man.’ Ash made the correction without anger. ‘As to your lives, I’m afraid the Company considered them expendable. It was the alien life form they were principally concerned with. It was hoped you could contain it and survive to collect your shares, but that was, I must admit, a secondary consideration. It wasn’t personal on the Company’s part. Just the luck of the draw………
‘……..It was much too late, according to what the translators determined, for a distress signal to do the senders any good. The signal itself was frighteningly specific, very detailed.
‘[b]The derelict spacecraft we found had landed on the planet, apparently in the course of normal exploration. Like Kane, they encountered one or more of the alien spore pods. The transmission did not say whether the explorers had time to determine if the spores originated on that particular world or if they had migrated there from somewhere else.
‘Before they all were overcome, they managed to set up the warning, to keep the inhabitants of other ships that might consider setting down on that world from suffering the same fate. Wherever they came from, they were a noble people. Hopefully mankind will encounter them again, under more pleasant circumstances.[/b]’
Interesting stuff, isn't it? I [b]KNOW[/b] you'll like it Rick.....
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letsgetthehelloutofhere
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 11:24 PMWow Criag Make so much sense!!! Totally sounds right and answer so many questions!!!! Thanks for that!!!!

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2012 11:43 PMThat took so long to freakin' copy and type up...wanted to blow me cotton pickin' brains out....

F--- it - lets go for it!
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 12:17 AMhey great stuff ,well worth the time, theres so much going on in the book that just aint in the film.
the message was frighteningly specific, very detailed. this is what i wanted to know
thanks.
loved the noble people bit...is this who we can expect in prom.?

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 12:21 AMI don't think the SJ's as innocents is going to be part of 'Prometheus'...based on Ridley's past statements, the SJ's have always been 'responsible' for the ailen...in what way exactly, we still don't know, but he's always inferred that....

Rick
MemberXenomorphMar-03-2012 4:59 AMOh Craigo my C-Eggo,
Ummmmm......How do you say I told you so? :P
I am so going to buy the novelizations of the first two movies and see how deep the rabbit hole really goes.
Rick

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-03-2012 5:49 AMAlthough it does flesh out the logic we all apply to the going ons in Alien because its not the film I don't consider it canon. Plus it seems all the to and fro between the characters just spells out what we all assume, stripping away the mystery and not allowing us, the audience, to connect the dots. Which I don't like, feels like I'm being treated like an idiot, if you know what I mean.

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 9:52 AMAgreed @Snorkelbottom........but oh, Rick, my friend, there's no I told you so there for you.........The whole bit about not sending out expesively equipped exploration vessels kind of tears your theory asunder........

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 9:53 AMIn all honesty though...to an extent, we're both right Rick....

Reimer
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 6:31 PMI had forgotten this stuff from the novel - it's a very neat explanation of the otherwise-absurd despatch of the ignorant space truckers to LV.

Rick
MemberXenomorphMar-04-2012 8:35 AMCraigo,
Buddy See that is where you are wrong. Said they didn't or wouldn't send out an expensive R&D ship....to me that says to the planet, says nothing about having one tail the Nostromo. Also this is just speculation from "Ripley"(yeah the author too). If Weyland does suffer from an aging disease and his next of kin, that could be one of his kids or even Ms. Yutani since the companies merge prior to Alien. She smoked a whole city with a nuke through the military. Yeah, I know not canon, but adds viability.
What does add a bit of confusion is that Ash now faked the signal? I'm gonna just buy the book and factor my Company involvement behind the scenes.
Hung Over,
Rick :P

pslock
MemberOvomorphMar-07-2012 3:38 AMFrom what I gather, Ridley Scott's idea of the space jockeys is most certainly that they are not "noble." His idea of this race was that they were incredibly advanced but at the same had begun to devolve morally and eventually decided that power and dominion over the universe was more important than how it was done. They became all cold and logical with no empathy.
I believe he said something, paraphrased, about the SJs being "high civilization that's highly uncivilized"

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-07-2012 7:29 PMRick..............don't like it........
Anyway.....You misread it Rick, he didn't fake the signal, they faked the 'meaning' of the translation. When they investigate the ship in the novel, they do find the device generating the signal, so...the signal's real, just misrepresented as an S.O.S. rather than the warning it actually is...

Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMar-07-2012 7:41 PMI've got the Alien Omnibus with all 3 novelizations (released before Desecration) somewhere........ I'ma have to find it and re-read before Prometheus comes out. I liked the fleshing out of some bits and the inclusion of scenes that weren't in the movie/s.........
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Reimer
MemberOvomorphMar-08-2012 1:27 PMpslock said re the SJs - "I believe he [Ridley] said something, paraphrased, about the SJs being "high civilization that's highly uncivilized" "
IIRC he talked of the crew of Prometheus encountering a civilisation engaged in "very UNcivilised behaviour". This would certainly fit with the urgent, horrified tone of the transmission at the start of the trailer. Doubtless the techno-booster optimists at TED 2023 or 2012 find the notion of a technologically-advanced realm being culturally barbaric inconceivable.

badognobisc
MemberOvomorphMar-21-2012 10:47 PMIn one of the later books (that was hijacked from the primary movies and novels) the main character gets saved by a sophistacated alien. They do write about the space jockeys hatred of the Aliens. And how they go around the universe and destroy the aliens. In the book the aliens have been brought back to earth as a military weapon and of course...get out of control. They are described to resemble an elephant in appearance which would coincide with the space jockey in the clips.

birdman
MemberOvomorphMar-21-2012 11:15 PMReminds me of the Predator weapon delivered to Ms. Yutani at the end of AVP Requiem... Hmm...
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