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Bauhausman
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 2:49 AMFirst post, long time reader, elder lurker since the beginning, been through the posts and haven’t seen much discussion specifically on the following though it has been danced around lightly, just curious of your thoughts while we wait for more footage. My apologies if this has been discussed before. Talking Ridley’s World only.
I hope Prometheus has an incredible amount of explanation and concentration specifically on the nature and chemical makeup of the Alien's Blood and Drool. The shot of the crew member being infected in the ampule room will hopefully shed some light on the subject. I hope we get some explanation of how specifically the alien incapacitates and dissolves its host into an egg through the use of its blood and drool. At what point does the acid/goo have the ability to morph someone into an egg but at the same time not burn them to shreds? This is a question that I have not seen discussed. Is the alien’s drool/slime only half as potent as its blood? In Alien we only see the face hugger bleed acid. We never see nor do we actually know if the adult alien has the same blood. This has been confirmed in interviews but it is not present in the actual film. Will Prometheus explain to us the chemical reaction of human skin and alien blood/acid/goo in relation to the mutation needed for the cycle of life? What does it use specifically chemical wise to cocoon these victims? Does its four back tubes and fifth spine play a role in the reproductive life cycle? I am hoping showing the mother and father meeting in Prometheus will shed some light on some of these long time questions. Hopefully Ridley will show us the formula for the original vision of the life cycle. I am hoping that the “crew meeting a society that does horrific and unimaginable things” will shed us some light on its genetics.
This post was meant for fun, while we have some down time, thanks again for your time.
Thoughts…Theories?
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ZetaReticuli
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 3:13 AMSame here Bauhausman, I'd like to see even a vague explanation of the
slime/acidic blood and that 'process' which the screaming man seems
to be enduring. Although at this point in out knowledge, one of the other
explorers could've stood on his boot for all we know - it's damn dark in
that there ampule room y'know - so that other fella just out of shot IS laughing
and no wonder, lol. Clumsy sod.
Seriously though, the more detailed they get and the more they leave us wondering,
the better I say.
alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 3:44 AMThe first band i took seriously was bauhaus the memories of seeing pete murphy danny ash and co at the brighton dome and freaking out to Bela Lugosi's Dead
Ashmodean
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 5:44 AMI allways thought of the alien as a natural organism that existed seperate from the space jockey. They may have captured it, experiemented on it, utilized it, etc but I allways thought it existed regardless.
Organisms mate to exchange genetic material and create new life. The alien seems to be an organism that has evolved in a way that allows it to echange genetic material with almost any species it comes across. This happens when the face-hugger assaults the first victim and impregnates them orally. The second time this happens is when the fully grown chest-burster uses victims to create eggs (the means of wich aren't entirely clear).
The reason the alien appears as it does in the film is because the Space Jockey and Kane were the most recent hosts. The acid blood could have originated from another species they have "mated" with. The facehugger that attacked Kane had never seen a human before so the one that could have grown from Dallas' egg may have looked different.
In the end I think the creature that we saw in the original movie was intended purely for the situation that was at hand. I believe Ridley Scott even said himself, and im paraphrasing badly, if you take the alien out of the nosromo it just isn't scary anymore.
Xenophobe
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 6:27 AM@Ashmodean - Yeah at first I thought the Xenomorph was a totally different species etc, but after seeing the SJ technology i.e Derelict, cavern below it in Alien and the Prometheus trailer. I believe a link is DEFINITLY there between the Space Jockey's and Xeno's. But what it is, I'm none the wiser right now! God I cannot wait for this movie! I will be seeing it multiple times. . .
alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 7:32 AMI may see the film twice at the cinema first time 2d second time 3d although how i will feel with 3d glasses over my glasses i cant imagine and then wait for the blue ray release hopefully a different rated alternate version.
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 10:06 AM@Ashmodean....Ridley has always insinuated that the SpaceJockey race was responsible for the alien parasite is some way. He's infact called the parasite a "bacterialogical stroke, biomechanoid warfare" of sorts and the derelict a "battle wagon", both of which infer design for warfare. And with the satements and insinuations as to there being no "xenomorph" (I hate that name but will use it in lieu of a proper name), but a progenitor for it....logic follows that the SpaceJockey race developed it as 'Prometheus' is all but entirely concerned with the SpaceJockey race........and by the way everybody...should they give us an actual name for the SpaceJockey race...I don't know that I'll be able to use it. "SpaceJockey" has such a perfect ambiguousness to it. not knowing the name is far more interesting and creepy, especially will all the craziness that'll be taking place.
Jon555
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 10:36 AMhang on a second here...
bauhaus, is this your interpretation of the alien universe and how things work? or is there a foundational basis for this?
before i get into the convo, im trying to figure out where you're coming from, because i absolutely have an entirely different interpretation of how things work in the alien universe than you... most of my analysis of the prometheus trailer and whatnot is tempered solely by the universe established by alien, aliens, and alien 3 (thats right, i dont count resurrection, that lousy piece of trash film)
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 10:59 AM@Jon555......the victim transmuted into egg biology was in place before the sequels...the removal of the "cacoon" sequence from the original theatrical cut of 'Alien' was done for the purpose of preserving a perfect pace and flow to the film's climax. Cameron brought the colony biology in, well, because he wanted to......What @Bauhausman is doing here brings us back to what was originally intended and could very well be part of the vision for where 'Prometheus' goes.
Jon555
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 11:07 AM... this shatters my entire alien universe as ive seen it for 2 decades.
do you, or does anyone for that matter, have a source for this? i understand the reason the caccoon sequence was removed from alien, i checked out the commentary, but that has nothing to do with the egg transformation proposition - for all we know, the alien simply caccooned Dallas up as a host for a facehugger, due to its hive mentality.... innate behavior... it never looked like he was transforming into anything at all
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 11:36 AM@Jon555....these qoutes are taken from wikipedia...I know, not exactly the most reliable source, but this concept is essentially common knowledge at this point and until I can find more examples, here your are...
"In the initial cut of Alien, the Alien possessed a complete life cycle, with the still-living bodies of its victims converted into eggs."
"In the original cut of Alien, the scene showing the crew converted into eggs was cut for reasons of pacing, leaving the ultimate origin of the eggs obscure."
Ruhaniya
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 12:32 PMMr Bauhausman, I commend your articulate and most thought provoking query regarding the alien nano slime/goo. I am also hopeful that Prometheus will bring to the surface some of the answers to these mysteries. I don't think they should answer all of them of course without leaving some new ones. Like.... if Alien vomit can do that! What happens if it has Diarrhea? Or if the nano poo can also manipulate androids too? They are biomechanical! Which might further explain why Ash allowed an alien fetus to develop in Kanes chest. Being infected himself by the goo on a microscopic level. Just cause he is just so damn curious about that shit those little critters got in em' and because he is artificial...he might have not worn gloves when no one was lookin'... cause he thought he didn't need em? God Damn Ashole
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Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 4:02 PMI always thought that the resin the alien in the original secreted had something to do with the turning of organic material into new eggs. Maybe a bacteria unique to the resin that transformed organic material into that of an egg.......?
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Macs
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 4:51 PMI am not sure it works that way. Only the queen can make eggs as far as I can see. Even the "feeding requirements" are not clear, as it seems that the victims bodies are largely intact, used only as hosts. In Alien, I am not sure how the victims were going to be infected to begin with, but then again, that is not even implied in the movie (but there was a deleted scene about this though); the Alien (xenomorph) never replicates. In Aliens there are many, but there is a queen; also keep in mind that there where many eggs in the planet to begin with. How the Alien replicates if there is no queen is not clear to me...
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2012 11:44 PMI think @Mac...the idea is to reject the whole queen bit and go back to the original intention.
Cypher, rather than bacteria, a naturally ocurring enzyme coupled with a chemical catalyst ought to be what I'm thinkin'.
bunnypf
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 12:11 PMI think that some people are going to be terribly disappointed if they think they are going to find out anything at all about the original Alien.
the walls are alive
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 1:01 PMI hope Prometheus just raises more questions or at least give visuals that are open to multiple interpretations. I am not a fan of movies explaining whats happening more than they need to. I find it is often patronizing, linear and treats the audience like they are stupid instead of engaging them and making them a part of it.
brego
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 9:59 PMGreat post Bauhausman. In my mind the Xeno species can and does multiply by many a method, both via cocooning and morphing a victim into an egg and via an egg laying monarch.
As mentioned in another thread we have only seen Xenos created via SJ and or Human DNA, so perhaps possibilities re procreation are actually numerous.
I like Cyphers idea re the resin. Not sure if it was Ridley or Cameron who had the idea of a low class of Xeno who were jawless and basically built the hive walls out of the secreted resin. These were almost albino and half the size of a drone and were used by the drones to cocoon victims as well. Creepy and interesting idea which never eventuated.
Bauhausman, I like you theory of differing acid strength ideas as well, and if we take it further, perhaps on the Xenos origin world all life has acidic blood. Therefor cocooning/egg morphing would not work as the victims body would not break down, meaning another method would be required. Perhaps the cocooning/egg morphing was simply an accidental biproduct of the original Alien harvseting victims, awaiting its own growth stage into an egg layer. The acidic resin had an unexpected reaction on our offworld flesh, reverting it into a clone of the Aliens first stage....
I guess we need to ask "Which Came First....?)
Cant wait to find out.
Thor
MemberOvomorphMay-15-2012 6:13 PMjoh555, if you have any doubt about Scott's original intention about Dallas and Brett being converted to eggs, watch the deleted scene and you'll see it's very clear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU
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