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galacticnorth
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 12:10 PMAppologies in advance if i touch on some things already debated ad nauseaum on the forum :)
A few things (not necessarily related) that's been on my mind lately:
1) Terraforming engineers/SJ's, terraforming division of weyland industries/weyland-yutani. I wonder how much of the technology weyland industries aquire from the 'engineers'.
2) Ash's comment concerning the alien being a perfect organism 'pure without remorse' etc. Anyone can guess its predatory nature upon seeing the chestburster, but this comment concerning the psychology of the alien is very interesting. It suggests deeper insight.
3) Ash's strange comment 'Kane's son'. Clear religious implications, but also it leads the thoughts to birth/genetic kinship rather than pure parasitism.
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Xenokiller3
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 12:36 PM Why would the CB be "Kane's son"? It killed him and it's a parsite through and through, nothing more.
galacticnorth
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 12:46 PMxenokiller:
exactly!....the comment made by Ash is a bit strange. As for killing him thats nothing special, offspring kill its parents in several species. But it also needs a genetic relationship. Since the alien in alien3 takes a different form than the alien in the original this suggests that the host somehow inprints on the alien. What does Ash know about this creature to hint about this and to make comments concerning its psychology even?
skyguy1054
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 1:18 PMAnother great reason to re- watch with subtitles turned on!
Just a little trick that clears up questions like "Where's Basky?" or that the CB might be thought of as "Kane's son" as opposed to having 'gained some' since being born.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 1:20 PM[quote]2) Ash's comment concerning the alien being a perfect organism 'pure without remorse' etc. Anyone can guess its predatory nature upon seeing the chestburster, but this comment concerning the psychology of the alien is very interesting. It suggests deeper insight.[/quote]
He goes on to say something like... "Unclouded by questions of Conscience or Morality" which I thought was the best part...it infered a deep seated intellectual methodolgy about the creatures behaviour.
db
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 1:42 PMOr he was inferring... which is a human not an android characteristic... ?
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 1:43 PMi THINK HE WAS COMPARING THE TWO AND SIDING WITH THE CREATURE! LOL.
galacticnorth
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 2:11 PMskyguy:
subtitles say both 'gained some' and 'kane's son' depending on language and version. 'Gained some' was in one of the versions of the script, but much of the dialogue saw changes due to the actors improvising. Crank up the volume and you can hear Ian Holme say 'kane's son' :)
which is also what the translation says on my disc
Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 2:12 PMI would argue that it's purely a parasite. There's genetics and DNA involved in the development of the chestburster. Who's to say the Xeno doesn't carry Kain's specific genetic make up the way his human offspring would or even some sort of genetic memory transferred from each host it's encountered throughout each life cycle, i.e. be aware of its human, space jockey, and whatever else may have came before it's origins. I really don't think it's a viscious animal/bug as shown in Aliens, but more of a sentient being which I feel would make sense of how Ash is describing his admiration of it.
Guest
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 5:07 PMIndeed it is, isn't it. However I'm trying to say that the thing can think and make decisions and would've been talking had it bit Ripleys head off. I'm trying to separate it from an animal that's aggressive through instinct and show that it chooses to do what it does without moral or conscience dilemma. I think the ability to think and feel doesn't have to include good feelings or morals. Thus we would have what we consider to be evil, yes?
Didn't Hudson question how they could know how to shut the power off. I can't remember his exact words but didn't he call them animals or something along those lines. Wouldn't this illustrate them to be more than just an animal or spacebug that can think and make decisions?
bunnypf
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 5:14 PMTerraforming - I think that W-Y did not get that much from the Prometheus mission (if anything at all), the colonists were just running Atmosphere Processors, a bit basic compared to what the Aliens have up their sleeves.
Alien DNA
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 5:19 PMIndeed it is by definition. I'm saying the Xeno is as intelligent as we are and knows/chooses what it does. I took Ash's comments as that it does not include morality in it's judgment and feels no remorse like we do. Wasn't it supposed to talk after biting Ripley's head off in Ridley's original ending. The ability to think and feel doesn't have to include thoughts and feelings of morality and good, thus wouldn't we have what we consider to be evil?
Also Hudson questioned how they could know how to cut the power, I can't remember but I think he said aren't they just animals or something along those lines. Wouldn't that illustrate that they have an equal intelligence to our own or greater?
Ruhaniya
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 5:40 PMEnabling Snork on NOW...I just would like to say that the aliens cerebral head reminds me of a dolphin and being so maybe the alien also has the ability to emit a high frequency wave in which to stun it's prey with fear but also psychically read it's preys mind. Making them more than animals cause they get in your head. (before they get in your head) If you know what I mean.
takka_takka_takka
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 6:11 PMOne must remember that the alien we saw in the 79 film was a newborn in an alien environment. It was essentially feral. Even so it managed to exhibit some pretty impressive survival behaviors. One might assume this is just strong instincts at work. Who knows what it would have become had it been born in a non-hostile environment with it's own culture?
Fan
MemberOvomorphMar-07-2012 2:00 AMIf Prometheus truly is a prequel, than regardless of how much we might like or dislike the sequels to alien, the answers are already there I front of us. Yes the alien has a genetic similarity to its host and yes they are at least moderately intelligent.
In alien ressurection the scientists have a hard time separating human from alien when using the samples of ripleys blood. This tells us that when a human is impregnated, there is a fundamental change that occurs to the hosts DNA. We also know that the aliens do take on traits of the host species. Do the aliens receive some kind of genetic memory from the host? Maybe maybe not, but from what we know it would stand to reason.
ALL generalizations are WRONG!
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