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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-20-2012 6:06 AMI keep seeing a lot of posts from both newcomers on longtermers of our second home (prometheus-movie.com) using terms such as proto-egg, proto-xeno, progenitor. It seems that a lot of you are bent on whatever "thing" is in this movie HAS TO BE an early form of the Alien.
Yeah I get that we are all fans of the Alien, in various degrees.
But the only Alien-esque thing I see is the mural in the recent trailer. Which for that to exist suggests to me that the Alien already exists well before the movie takes place. Same goes for this thing born from Shaw, I have heard BM call it a proto-egg (despite the scene with the big tentacle/tail hitting the door).
IMO Prometheus is a film about the Space Jockey's and does not feature the Alien. I have said that from day 1 and have yet to see anything to tell me otherwise!
Also I see a lot of talk that the recent trailers have retconned AVP and anything after Alien out of existence. I see no evidence of this, in fact I see evidence to the contrary:
1. Weyland Industries - AVP
2. Peter Weylands father was a self taught engineer - AVP
3. Building Better Worlds - Aliens
4. Powerloader - Aliens
5. Correctional Colony - Alien 3
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db73
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 6:10 AMI agree. I'm sure we will see how things lead up to Alien. But I don't think this is an Alien Prequel as much as a film in it's own right despite what I've seen & what everyone thinks. In actual fact I think if this film has Xeno's it or anything like this it will actually spoil it. Ridley has said the Alien is worn out as a shape & he's right. I would be extremely surprised if we see this worn out shape (as Ridley puts it) making an appearance in Prometheus.
Frantz
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 6:13 AMI tend to agree snork ...BUT ..
really ...we see a SJs ship leaving for earth ....we see the prometheus ramming it ... THEn the SJs ship become a DERELICT .... they really can avoid the fact that there were alot of eggs inside the ship ? Probably the "weapons" of the ship ?
Right now i cant see how they cant avoid to tie Prometheus to Alien .... ( of course i cant be sure ..its just what is see )
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-20-2012 6:21 AMYes frantz, that is my point... the SJ ship IS the Derelict I agree (why would they have two crashed SJ ships in same system, seriously). And yes the eggs are the weapons en-route to earth which the Prometheus stops.
What I meant is the creature itself. Everyone seems to assume the Xeno creature is being created in this movie, and as such will make an appearance, but that doesn't make sense:
1. All them eggs
2. The Mural
The creatures we see in Prometheus are something new, something different, and I suspect that whatever they are, they're linked to the SJ's.
Unlimited Power
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 6:30 AMDon't forget the Xenomorph mural in the US trailer. That's one appearance right there.
[img]http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/prometheus.png[/img]
JC
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 6:45 AMIf you will look closely, you will notice that the tail that hits the door in the trailer is smooth, like a snake, not horny and ribbed like that of an Alien drone. If you look at the thing that is extracted from Shaw, it looks like a chestburster, but much larger, and it is coming from the wrong spot.
One curious thing though, speaking of deep sixing anything after Alien - if you will remember, in Alien 3, the queen that was inside Ripley was incubating not in her chest, but lower down, towards her uterus (so the novel said). Look at where the "umbilicus" of whatever it is that was taken from Shaw is - near her pelvis. Could this thing be the Mother, the Queen if you will, of all those eggs that end up in the hold of the Space Jockey ship?
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-20-2012 7:17 AM@ UP - I mentioned the mural. If they are depicted in a mural how can they be created if they already exist.
@ JC - I agree with the tail/tentacle hitting the door, but the thing being extracted from Shaw is nothing like a chestburster at all. Also in the film Alien 3 it clearly shows the Queen is gestating inside Ripleys chest.
As for the Queen laying all the eggs in the Derelict, that is the stupidiest idea ever. The eggs are cargo - the Derelict is a bomber/transport to deploy the eggs.
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:24 AM Could that mural be the same place that they first shine the flashlight on where it looks like the walls are moving? Could be it is built because of contamination by the crew?
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:28 AMincredible, I am just speechless at just how much of this whole thing I was right about all along...not sound like a jerk...it;'s just cool...makes me happy cause it;s good for the plot and all of us...It is sooo cool to me that they're trying to destroy Earth, and the way Ridley tied in the info they found on Earth, 7 Symblos, all indicating like I surmised...an INVITATION to a Space Dance with another Race...The thing at the start aout a King losing his grip on his rein r it ending or somethng of the sort...Brilliant...there;'s Histopry to our new alien race...That right there as mentioned yesterday should effectively END any debate about whether or ot this thing is gonna be great..."I.M. humble O." of course. Incidently the best tng in the entire video to me, is seeing the Alien in it;s INFANT stage wiggling and all, imagine if that were actualy the initial form of the Xenomorph or some other terrifying creature like that...?...Yea Baby...Yeeeaaaa !!!
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Unlimited Power
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:28 AM[i]@Snorkelbottom[/i]
Sorry I missed that. I think you're absolutely right.
Frantz
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:37 AMWhat if the mural is actually alive ? ... maybe are old hosts ...like dallas and brett after many centuries ?
ukalien
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:43 AMSnorkelbottom i couldn't agree more, i once thought this movie would show the creation of the first Xenomorph but now we see it already exists. Maybe an ancient weapon the SJ's have used over the years, each time they want to use this weapon they need a human host to birth it. Say when they wana take over some planet every few thousand years they visit earth to make Xenos explaining all the diffrent artifacts found throughout cultures on earth.
EGR101
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:50 AMMurals coming alive? Reminds me of DEVIL'S ADVOCATE? Or this is just the Sistine Chapel?
ukalien
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:45 AMsorry for the three post this site doesn't agree with my laptop anymore
aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 7:53 AMIn the interviews Saturday, Damon said we would see "the hunched-over, predecessor of the upright Alien" or something along those lines. Did no one else see that part?
Am I missing something?
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-20-2012 8:06 AM@ ANZ - I watched the AMC and wondercon interviews, I don't recall hearing that, but I do recall them referring to something hunched over akin to the Alien, hence the new creature.
IMO opinion the mural is an icon, much like a stained glass depiction in a church
aintnozeno
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 11:19 AMYoutube has the "interview" from Saturday with Scott and Damon on it. Toggle over to 16:22 and the "evolution" question is asked. Damon's response is so cryptic that it could be taken many ways, so you be the judge.
scrounger
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 11:33 AMThe 'Gods' that the Prometheus encounter have a devise /weapon but it is not eggs of Xenomorphs it is a genetic weapon that alters the DNA sequencing to produce an advanced version of a planets dominant species. This is done in order for the 'Gods' to alter, wipe out, cleanse, advance (call it what you want) the planets development.
They are concerned with the whole planet Earth.
I think that the Prometheus crew accidently / on purpose interfere with the genetic ooze and cause it to evolve using their DNA on the planet rather than on Earth as intended.
SJ is a modified crew member (possible David8)
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 11:58 AMoh and by the way, No offense Snorky, But I think at this point you have to be NUTZ not to relaize that whats happening on that ship is the creation of the FIRST EVER XENOMORPH with Human DNA in it.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-20-2012 12:08 PM@ ANZ - His response was cryptic for the fear of offending those that believe the Xeno will make an appearance.
@ Scrounger - plz use IMO or IMHO when stating theories, your of wish are common of late but this whole idea genetic ooze being tampered with is conjecture at best.
@ Sparky - I love ya man (in a hetero way) but as usual your missing whats right under your nose. Prometheus CANNOT be about the creation of the first ever Xenomorph because...
1. The Mural in the trailer depicts a fully grown Alien, how can that be if as you say it has not yet been created.
2. Remember the door relief that also depicts the Alien, same argument.
3. If Prometheus was about the creation of the first Xeno explain the thousands, if not millions of Alien eggs on the Derelict bound for Earth.
Justin Gliddon
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 3:03 PMI originally thought that the eggs were the derelicts cargo but then what about the SJ's hole in his chest and the melted hole in 'Alien' film going down to where the eggs were?
Could the SJ infect Earth himself with his DNA like what looks like happened in Prometheus?
Did the SJ become impregnated before 'suiting up' and flying off in the derelict?
Is that definitely a mural of an xenomorph or the formation of the real thing?
But then on the other hand the eggs in 'Alien' were protected by a 'forcefield of some kind' as if they were being stored by the SJ's
So many questions!!
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-20-2012 3:12 PMAnd there you have it, the eggs were covered with a blue "laser-mist", therefore cargo.
takka_takka_takka
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 3:13 PMI'll be very disappointed if they mangle the story in such a way as to have the aliens be something that was created by humans or using human DNA. And if there's any time travel element to this then I hope Ridley's next project is a not-quite-prequel to Robin Hood.
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMar-20-2012 3:22 PMExactly the last thing we want is Weyland -Yutani desperately seeking an alien lifeform they in fact created.
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMar-20-2012 4:28 PMWhat´s the xenomorph doing in Han Solo´s carbonite? :)
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