David

whose finger is that in front of him as he utters those words? He seems to have a sneer about him at the time, malevolent...

I agree, as pinocchio ...

@jasonlee ... It's his own finger ... scroll down on the second page below ... I have posted a bit on this ... [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2521&page=2]Ok my 2p's worth ... with Images[/url]

These folks need to stop sticking their fingers in the pudding.

Hi everyone, This is my first reply or post here. (Great site btw!) I agree that DAVID is the key here that sets in motion a completely unexpected chain of events that eventually leads to the "Xenomorph" I had posted an idea about this on another site and will try to summarize it as follows... --------------------------------------------------------------------- We are NOT going to see ANY Xenomorph in this. I dont think the producers could make that any clearer. I feel that the "grand daddy" of the xenomorph is the unplanned mingling of the SPACE JOCKEY bioformer material from the Urns with both HUMANS & DAVID. From what has been discussed, my take on the "bioformer" is that it interacts with certain elements and its own material to essentially create new lifeforms suited to the environment (planets) that the base elements were on. It sort of makes an extrapolation with host DNA and its own "whatever" to create the new lifeform. DAVID, the Android I believe has some bio/organic elements in addition to synthetic fluids that act as his circulatory system if you will. I think that the 'future' Xenomorph ACID BLOOD is going to be the result of the SJ bioformer doing its best to make sense of what its "host" materials "blood" was!...resulting in the "PERFECT ORGANISM" as Ash called it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Any thoughts on that? I have a further blurb on this premise that explains what we eventually see in 1979's Alien... ie.. URNS vs. EGGS if anyone wants to hear it?

Yes please spill the beans please!

@CanadaPhil ... That sounds plausable ... and yep lob us your theories please ... I also think the whole point of the movie having a yellowish tint is interesting too ... I know it's the lighting but it's also the colour of the acid blood ... if the movie actually gets anywhere near to that stage ...

sorry.. had to step away.. will send it shortly.. it will just be pastes of what I had placed somewhere else.

OK here it is....... My other take on this premise (that we however WOULD NOT see in this film) is that whatever happens to come out of the dead SJ in the Derelict is the ORIGINAL QUEEN ala... AlienS. To me that would have to be the case if they wanted to stick with what came after in Cameron's vision. I mean, they have to try to tie in whatever "new" thing they do with that which has already been established. Well, one would think anyway. The new "Queen" is essentially marooned on a desolate world, but still instinctively sets out to do what it does... LAY EGGS... and bide its time. Thats where the row upon row of the leather sacks with facehuggers come from. BTW, the "squidbilly" baby of Shaw, is essentially just the FORERUNNER of our FACEHUGGER, but it hasn't reached its "final" form yet. Anyway, getting back to the Derelict, the SJ does not leave with a cargo of leathery "Xenomorph" EGGS. They DONT EXIST YET under this premise. So, they either are deposited AFTER the crash by a new QUEEN as noted above... or the "version 2" of this premise which is.... Ridley could return to the 1979 "deleted scene" idea of a lone Xenomorph fashioning lifegiving material OUT OF WHATEVER IT HAS AVAILABLE TO IT. So here is an alternate take on that.... OK, the SJ leaves the planet WITH A CARGO, but the cargo is NOT eggs, but the Space Jockey "Bioformer" URNS!! Upon bursting from the Derelict SJ, our still sort of "prototype" Xenomorph sees row upon row of life-goo containing Urns, and then sets about transforming these into leathery eggs sacks containing facehuggers. Except in this case, we dont have 1 alien simply making 1 egg, but actually transforming hundreds (maybe thousands?) of available URNS into EGGS. So there ya go... "Queen" haters have an alternate scenario for a "they make their own egg" theory.

Oh... And I'm NOT saying the the Jockey ship we see in Prometheus is even the Derelict on LV426. It may be another ship altogether. I guess we will have to wait and see come June. I'm just trying to explain how the EGGS came to be on the Derelict in 1979.

DAVID sets in motion the UNEXPECTED event.. This gets further complicated by interaction with the HUMAN crew. Shaw then gives "birth" to something... some have called it the Squidbilly...hahaha. I see the Squidbilly as the Forerunner of the Xeno facehugger. Whether or not something like the Squidbilly implants something into our dead SJ on LV426 is the question... but something obviously does. But what Im trying to say is that the Xenomorph as many think of it does NOT Even exist and will NOT until the "first or prototype" facehugger intereacts with our dead SJ. That resulting thing... which we dont see in 1979, but obviously burst from the Jockey is what either lays eggs or transforms urns into eggs. And its one of these eggs lying undisturbed for many decades eventually impregnates our "visitors" from the Nostromo.

Interesting stuff, Gem...I had not seen your analyses...good work!

The xenomorph as we understand it already exists when the crew finds the urns. [img]http://oi42.tinypic.com/21jra10.jpg[/img] this is a depiction of that creature's life cycle carved into the wall.

Check out the wikipedia entry on David: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David#Chosen_by_God Go to 1.1 "Chosen by God" God withdraws favor from Saul who had not been performing Gods commandments. God anoints David as the Chosen one. Prometheus - Engineers withdraw favor from SJ species, one last SJ goes looking for a new king. David, despite being young (young as he is a new species created by human) is anointed the Chosen one. Humans were "invited" to the planet as a means for the last surviving SJ to choose a new King to provide the prototype genes for a new overseer race (who were the SJs). 1.3 - David and Goliath A Giant challenges the Israelites to send their best to fight him in a duel. Prometheus - David kills Goliath -an SJ? Or the mutated creature we see in the hangar bay of the Prometheus?

Oh WOW - I didn't see in the mural of the Xeno it's got an egg behind it with a facehugger coming out of the top. And are those a pair of human/humanoid EYES? One on each side of the Alien's head as if the head was the human's nose?..... Whoa

@Myrddin365 I'm think what the mural depicts is the end result of a big 'Blue' being impregnated and then giving 'birth.'

@Myrddin I have seen that clip from the trailers, but it really doesn't prove anything. It could be even be nothing more than complete misdirection at this point. And its a stylized carving.. just like ancient carvings HERE ON EARTH where they are not a completely factual representation of what it is supposed to be. For all we know right now, it could even actually be a stylized JOCKEY with an exeskeletal type rib cage and a balding head. Or for that matter, it could be an actual lifeform that the Engineers were seeding on various worlds that is in reality a tarantula sized insectoid that you could liken to a big ant or termite (the obvious connection there). Its purpose being nothing more than to help naturally control soil conditions or act as a small predator or even FOOD in certain ecosystems. I didnt really mean to start rambling earlier, but what I was trying to say was that the XENOMORPH as we think of it in 1979 DOES NOT YET EXIST. Something similar to it might, but an ALIEN ala 1979 and Cameron is not going to be in this. I thought that was the point that Ridley and production staff have been trying to make. DAVID I think is the key here. The bioformer that he messes with, could be nothing more than something like I mentioned above... a big ant!.. But in combining with DAVID's android bio "whatever" it causes an "extropolation" that sets a new evolutionary chain in motion... acidic blood, etc. The second part of this are HUMANS... Once the first step in DAVID's change has begun SHAW and others are imprenated or "infected", now combing HUMAN DNA with Davids "metamorphisis". Now you have the Shaw "Squidbilly" which is the forerunner to the FACEHUGGER. Then, this entirely NEW emerging form gets implanted into a 12ft tall JOCKEY leading to the next change that we eventually see with the Nostromo crew.

@purplest33l Check out the wikipedia entry on David: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David#Chosen_by_God Go to 1.1 "Chosen by God" God withdraws favor from Saul who had not been performing Gods commandments. God anoints David as the Chosen one. Prometheus - Engineers withdraw favor from SJ species, one last SJ goes looking for a new king. David, despite being young (young as he is a new species created by human) is anointed the Chosen one. Humans were "invited" to the planet as a means for the last surviving SJ to choose a new King to provide the prototype genes for a new overseer race (who were the SJs)." - Would you like to know something interesting, Ridley Scott said the Jockeys would send some punishment of biblical proportions. Just as the God of the Hebrews did to punish Israel during the time of Saul. Also according to the Bible, King David was an Officer of the prophet Saul, who was possessed by an evil spirit sent by God; Saul tried to pinn David twice with two spears but missed the youth, because Saul feared that David would succeed/dethrone him. Saul was also involved in necromancy (Saul 28;7): he contacted the witches of Endor (not the ewoks) who revived the dead prophet Samuel. "A king has his reign and then he dies... it's inevitable." [img]http://bible1.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/david-saul-spear.png[/img]

@CanadaPhil. In one way, the Alien as we know it can't exist until it encounters a human because it seems to take on characteristics of its host. The organism that creates the basis for that lifeform and always follows that lifecycle already exists when the crew of the prometheus arrives as evidenced by the mural carved on the wall. That particular creature will Probably not be depicted in this movie, but the race that built the structure they invetigate is fully aware of what the 1979 Alien is and how it reproduces. It is even feasible that they created or enslaved it prior to the events of this film. Whatever Shaw gives birth to is a mystery, but I doubt it is any piece of the Xenomorph puzzle. If it were any piece of that process, then I would speculate that it is an egg pod that would produce a facehugger when it matures, but it appears to grow too large for that to be realistic.

@CanadaPhil - Well, I did say 'depicts.' And you could be right. However, that giant head has a pretty good resemblance to the big 'Blue' in the space map room. I'm guessing that whomever made that head probably had a hand in making the 'alien' mural. Wouldn't that make sense?