
Xenophobe
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 6:27 AMGood idea about SJ's leaving behind something, such as the DNA sequencing for the Xenomorph race. Which pretty much are unstoppable. . .

Gem]n[
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 7:11 AM@Mark ...
I'm diggin most of that ... but what a legacy left behind ... for US? :) ...
And as said before, Ridley quoted, this first prequel will be all about the Space Jockey ... the second prequel will be about their home planet ...
So it's good we're gonna be treated with some sort of answer ... i don't want the full info just enough to keep me going ... hence from your theory above could mean that the SJ's get a kicking and so we find how repressed they really are? ...

Ashmodean
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 7:26 AMI like this idea but I think the ship itself is a trap. Like a severely twisted cockroach hotel. In Giger's original designs the ship actually produced the eggs and the giant openings were for curious lifeforms to wonder into just like the crew of the Nostromo. I'm not sure how much of that will cross over though.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 8:02 AMI like this theory as well. It jives with the war of the Titans and Gods, the Titanomachy.
I think the blue meanies could be an earlier line of hominid that get their advanced genetic splicing technology from another race representing the titans. They also get a means to leave the earth/take refuge on the mountain tops for awhile becoming god-kings after their kingdom is destroyed. I've got a crazy theory about them originally being from Earth and becoming the Olympian gods for the purposes of this movie. The legends of Atlantis in the Greek and Egyptian myths speak about how they destroyed themselves and disappeared. However some characters who spent time with the Atlanteans show up on Olympus and in later myths in the chronology. It's important to note that even if you go with the idea that the Atlanteans founded Egypt, there are stories relaying them to be pilots of flying craft, and highly advanced bipeds who created mermaids. Is it possible some of the other cultures were mistaken about who their gods, like the Annunaki, really were? Cross-cultural analysis brings up too many similarities, and in many of these early civilizations there are multiple classes of deities. These stone temple pilots, as well as Thoth the last Atlantean, mingled with other Egyptian Gods and God-kings.
Plato tells us Atlantis fell around 9500 BC.
In my theory many myths turn out to be true, just not in the way Weyland anticipated. The survivors from the Atlantean race of humanoids left these markings behind when they left earth to indicate where they got their advanced technology from. They become mountain dwellers and God-kings of Egypt/Sumer after the earth is altered by catastrophe after catastrophe, and the biblical flood destroys almost all traces of their existence (the infection and cleansing flood was a punishment caused by the Elder race of Gods/Titans). They leave traces behind on some of the islands they move to at the edge of their sinking island empire, moving to the isle of Skye and Honolulu. Some indications in the myths place them as living on an Atlantic landmass far to the west... Which may give you a clue to the many Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and Atlantean influences on America, like city names, Atlanta, the goddess Columbia, and Egyptian-stlye obelisks as well as Greco-roman architecture.
When Albion, Poseidon's son and a relative of Prometheus, brings Atlantis into conflict with the Titans it becomes a prelude to the sinking of Atlantis and the war of the Gods and the Titans.
The gods and Atlanteans strip the Titans of their power, but Atlantis is destroyed far before they ever get involved. Then, Poseidon just sorta shows up every once in a while, and creates the Roman people according to myth; since the Atlantean kingdom was now destroyed.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 8:36 AMPoseidon's also Zeus's brother so some of the Atlantean kings can be lumped together with the Gods... he can also be compared to Lucifer in some ways, and the trident can be compared to the devil's pitchfork. As well, the Egyptians spoke of them less highly: as a war mongering people who got themselves destroyed with their science.

CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 8:45 AMI have been thinking along Mark's line for sometime now and posted on it in some of the Jockey related threads.
I have a bit of a different take though and its that the Blue Meanies are indeed the overlords and the Jockey's have always been their indentured servants or Slaves... Also, its going to turn out that the Jockey's are the literal Prometheus in this story and have been punished for what they have done to anger the Blue Meanies.
I also think the Jockey's are still alive, but who knows.
If one were to follow the idea that the angered the Blue Meanies at the dawn of man and were wiped out at that time.... well that would be somewhere around 50 - 100,000 years ago right (when most scientists think we began evolving from our more primitive ape cousins correct?)... Then the dead Derelict on LV426 would have to be at least 50 milenia old right?... Who knows.

Otto
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 8:51 AMwell, isn't there a clear shot in one of the trailers showing a "blue meanie" melding with the "SJ chair"? I would think that would blow the "SJ aren't the Big Blue Guys" theory up, right?

CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 8:59 AMThat guy is not even the right size for a Jockey "PILOT" as depicted in 79's Alien or even by the scale of the SJ bodies and head they find in Prometheus.
For all we know, that could be a Blue Meanie attempting to take off and pilot the vessel himself when normally this would have been a task relegated to the BIG slave SJ's. I liken it to "bosses" never soil their own fingers with the grunt work right? It normally would have been delegated to an underling.... The Slave SJ's.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 9:09 AM@ Giger Not necessarily if they stole their tech and now use it to keep their god-like status. I really think Ridley is trying to throw us off. If you follow the myths the Gods replace the Titans in the hierarchy and Prometheus is one of the last remaining titans after the war. Indeed, he's more of an indentured servant who works to create the next round of humans as CanadaPhil said.
I'm working from the idea that the Gods are really just advanced humanoids who challenged our true creators and won. The original 6 Titans were called the Elder Gods and created life and the planets, but the Gods and the Atlanteans both inherit their power at some point. You can argue that the fire was taken from the Titans in the first place, and that's why Prometheus rebels against the Olympian gods and gives the fire to the humans. Of course, we began to misuse it back then and Zeus became angry with us and it was Atlantis all over again. He flooded the Caucasus mountain area and tasked Epimetheus with creating Pandora's box of horrors (the monsterous plague). Atlanteans misuse the power and get their selves destroyed...mostly, then some lash out against the Titans with the Olympians.

Biehn_Bandit
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 9:22 AMI've never seen any shot of a blue guy IN the chair. Someone is in it , but no telling who at this point.
I've been saying there are two races involved here for a while. Something about the bio-mechanical suit's appearance and the blue guys doesn't add up. I believe there was some kind of violent conflict or uprising before the crew gets to the planet, with the biomechanoids/guys in the SJ suits losing.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 9:32 AM^^That would explain the decapitated bodies/suits lying around and could relate to the idea that the gods did overthrow the Titans. I'm still thinking they need at least one of the other species alive, and this guy is forced to help in their genetic experiments. Only because they're not the true genetic masters in this theory. They've devolved to using the fire as a weapon, and the other race attempted to stop them on Earth in the past. However it was too late. Their creation had misused the power it was given for too long and some were able to escape the Earth after their kingdoms fell, challenging their creators for the attempted destruction of their civilization. Reappearing on mountain tops as "gods".

simple
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 10:18 AMJust to toss it out there about the size issue of SJ. In the original Alien, Dallas states that it (being SJ) has grown out of the chair due to fossilization. So I think this should nullify the argument of the original size of said SJ, since the original itself is an anomaly due to age and natural erosion.

BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-02-2012 11:00 AMWell i posted this somewhere else but here it is again.
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So if the SJ in Alien is the SJ and thus as some want, a giant elephant type creature, then please explain the object B and why it apears that Blue Meanie guy raises the Pilot Chair and walks over to it.
The SJ with no head in the other image on internet, has a simular suit to the Blue Guy and the Head/Helmet on the Table looks like the Helmet/Head of the SJ in the seat of Prometheus.
I would say that Blue Man = Space Jockey, and that when he sits in the seat the Mask will cover his head and attach itself to him, then the seat will attach to him where the rib type structure becomes a harness/seat belt. The Mask the breathing apparatus to allow Blue Guy to breath in space when the Derelict/Jockey Ships enters Space.
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BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-02-2012 11:02 AMSo i think that the Blue Guys Suit is just a Bio Mechanical/Organic version of Tony Starks Iron Man Suit.
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db
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2012 11:49 AMRemember, SJ's can probably get up and walk around in this movie. They're not just bio-mech suits that form and are locked in the chair forever.
Remember the one's lining the hallway behind Shaw in that earlier pic? (there's 4 of them in that shot BTW). If they're statues, how would the sculpter have known to add legs if the suit only originates/locks the wearer into the chair? If they're suits, then much like the space suits hanging around various parts of the Prometheus ship, they are there for the taking... like suits of armour in a castle.
Or perhaps the chair creates the suit and once intigrated with the "host" the suit and it's wearer are free to stay put until their "chair task" is completed and then they are free to move about as independent SJ's.
But, if an SJ goes and sits in the chair, the opposite effect is had, perhaps (like in the new trailer)? The suit de-intigrates itself from the host and reveals who/what they are inside. Implying many various species could become SJ's... hmmm... similar in concept to a xeno taking over the traits of its host?
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