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MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:11 PMI've attempted to make this point before in other threads and I'm not sure I've articulated it correctly... but I'll give it one more try. We may be looking at this movie all wrong... (and we may have no choice).
We see the SJ (in 1979) and we think: "alien creature".
We see the chair (then or now, doesn't matter) and we think: "gun".
We see the bone-ship (derelict) and we think: "spaceship".
And of course RS has supported some of this thinking... but he's also changed some of it.
It's all a matter of human perspective. We have no choice but to look at things as we do. We're human. Up is up and down is down (even in spaceships you have a floor and a ceiling).
But what if we're dealing with a truly alien "mind-set" in this movie. I mean, something totally foreign to our way of thinking as humans. Could a human be capable of writing such a thing? Could a human audience be capable of embracing such "alien" concepts (present company excluded)?
IE:
The chair is not a weapon. It's the contraption that binds the SJ suit to its host. When done, the SJ can get out and walk around. When it's time to take the suit off, the SJ sits and has it removed, and goes about it's business as whatever life-form it was originally.
That's just an example and can be argued (please do!)
But what if we begin thinking a little differently around here...
Up is down, in is out...
I know this sounds a little existential... thoughts?
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Mark Cawley
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:17 PMI had an idea once that this movie should be made COMPLETELY alien to the human species.........without any humans in it..........just the alien species. But then for non fans it wouldnt be much good because it would have no dialogue lol.
But you know what i mean.
enceladus_is_alive
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:38 PMIt "fits" well with extra SJ suits hagging around.
And we never see an opening for the gun/telescope
I wondered what happens if an Andriod tries to sit in the chair for the transformation?
Forever War
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:45 PMI think you're quite articulate in what you say about perspective and how this film may redefine and direct the audience's point of reference. It may be part of Scott's statement concerning "big ideas".
belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 12:45 PMthey could have subtitles!! they did it in the critters movies when the krites were "talking" to each other. gotta love the critters movies ^_^
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MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 2:11 PMI like the idea of the human perspective of things being subverted.
There's been too many analogies in sci-fi. To be truly alien, all that
has to go out of the window. All our expectations and their attendant
cliches should be rent asunder, turned inside out and back to front -
and bloody good riddance.
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MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 3:45 PMThanks guys, keeping this conversation grounded in the existentialistic realm of non-human perspective (is that even possible?) is where I was going. I bet Snork could pull off a script like the one we mean.
In the meantime, try and come up with a completely new slant on things we're already taking for granted... Like my SJ chair for example. Not a gun, but a suit imbedding contraption that only looks like a gun to us. I'm probably wrong, so prove me wrong.
Remember when Shaw says the ceiling is changing? Is that the temple(s) or the boneship? If it's the boneship, then is the whole damn thing alive?
What about other things... What could the ampules be, if not what we obviously think they already are?
Black is white people. 2 + 2 = carrots. It's all alien...
This is the film I want to see.
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MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 3:50 PMThanks Forever war. I'd love to get your further thoughts on other aspects we're assuming that could be re-envisioned.
Very nicely put Zeta... "why don't you guys answer what we haven't thought up to ask yet"?
Mafetu
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 4:06 PMI like this kind of thread.
Big budget films don't get made unless they pander to some extent to the taste of the masses. They can't really go off on wild flights of fancy. Films with huge budgets expect a major return on the investment. I love films that take risks and shuck formulaic thinking.
What if the xenos and the Sj have a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship? What if the xenos help the SJs realize their ultimate physical and spiritual expression? We come along and fiddle with it and the shit hits the fan. That's the kind of 'shit' this fan (me) would like to see.
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MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 4:16 PMMafetu, your absolutely right about appealing to the masses. A buddy of mine in LA lives by the rule that: people like us see "attack the block" and "moon". But the world sees "transformers 3" and "pirates 4". Let's hope Ridley is thinking more along supporting the lines of the people on this forum.
Fox can worry about the rest.
craigamore
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 5:52 PMI know exactly where you're coming from db....I started a couple threads months back in a similar vein....
[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1158]Something Special[/url]
[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1189]Something Special Part Duex Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Alien[/url]
It's the foreign nature of what they come up against that's intriguing....
silica
MemberOvomorphApr-06-2012 10:38 PMGreat one db. sorry i missed the action. ok, so if the urns/ampules get covered in their suits, do they look like eggs afterwards?
serratedproboscis
MemberOvomorphApr-07-2012 3:45 AMI never really saw it as a gun (why would you fire a gun inside a ship...). I saw the chair as a telescope or communications array. If you combine bring the SJ chair up to the level where the star map is, it may be some sort of navigation system. Not sure why you would need a huge array like that to point at little holographic globes...but who knows. If things are so technologically advanced, I doubt we'd really be able to unravel a machine's purpose merely by looking at it.
(And yes, that was when I was a child. I saw Alien when I was 10, at home, after being exposed to Aliens when I was 6.)
belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-07-2012 3:54 AMi thought it was a telescope when i was a kid also.
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MemberOvomorphApr-07-2012 1:00 PM@ serrated...
You may be onto something big. If the 3D star map forms around the SJ's chair, (meaning, if it's in the same room), perhaps the chair spins within the 3D globe that is created and targets / reads / pin- points different parts of the star map in some way?
Has this possibility been discussed before and I missed it?
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