Hoping the 'operation' isn't the 'money shot'

Have to agree with you ZetaReticuli. I reckon there'll be something a bit grottier ;-)

Unfortunately I have to disagree my friend. If you take a look the panel that just took place in France, Ridley and Noomi talk vaguely about that scene. She mentions how it messed her up mentally after the performance and how it was filmed privately with none of the other actors present as it was very personal. I'd imagine for a Woman that sort of scene wouldn't be pleasant to go through, especially if you haven't actually given birth yet.

I think originality is over rated and hard to do these days. The way its executed is just as effective as being original IMO.

You make a good point @WhyDontTheyFreezeHim

I steadfastly refuse to believe it, sorry. There has to be something else besides.

Well...it could be pretty nasty in the film. I mean, we haven't seen it yet. A quick second snapshot with no sound doesn't reveal much. Sound can add a great deal to a scene, think of the noises John Hurt made during the chest burster scene. An emergency cesarean sounds pretty awful. Just as a side note...do you think Ridley knows that we all know about this scene? Its just that there has been so much secrecy around this film, yet the trailers give away so, so much! And at the Paris panel, Noomi started talking about the scene, and Ridley made an attempt to keep it under wraps. Are the people at Fox aware we have VLC media player to step through each frame of the trailer haha?

It´s clearly the moneyshot. It´s only us who actually see what is going on in theese trailers! For the regular audience they have NO clue what so ever. Shaw is giving birth to the squid. If we did not know this we would be shocked in theathres. Think about it. Here is the lead character. A nice girl who is in love with this Holloway guy. Suddenly she gets pregnant in this hyperspeed and have to cut out what we think is a spacehuman or some kind of humanoid looking creature. what comes out is a slimy, giger-ish looking blob with tentacles. It´s a fu.... moneyshot right there!! P.s think about all the females watching this film. They gonna hate it. LoL

[b]@clovenberg[/b] I totally agree. Put a bit of thought to it, and its very clear that this is messed up. She's violently attacked/raped by her own boyfriend and then she gives birth to well...a squid instead of an actual child, that is properly messed up.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311117,00.html]Here is the SHAW SQUID! [/url]

Not that this anything to do with anything, but who remembers how much of the original chestburster scene in Alien do we actually see in those ads? I haven't gone through it frame by frame, but the scene wasn't even close to being in the trailers. And as we all know, even most of the cast didn't know what was going to happen when they filmed it. Ridley Scott's films are terribly subtle, whatever emotion they are trying to convey. So, I give him more credit than that, and will bet the price of my admission ticket that he knows what hes is doing.

ZetaReticuli I have the same opinion about sir Ridley scott showing more than just images of the "chestbuster" scene of shaw giving birth to the "squid baby", Its like giving all the spoilers scene of the "one" of the more gore scenes of the movie. My opinion is that the "money shot" maybe its the scene is related to the alien worm organism that is on Holloway eye , being transfered to shaw via sexual. an interior scene inside of her something visceral scene. just speculating here.

I doubt it... for 2 reasons... 1-everybody who's seen Alien is probably expecting a scene like the chestburster. They want to fool you into thinking the c-section is the big scene, so after it's over everyone will let their guard down for the rest of the movie. That's when Ridley's gonna get you! 2-It's in the trailer for cryin out loud!

People have to remember that people are not as scared any more of special effects, as years go by they get better and better. But off course well done scenes with sound can make you jump and tence scenes can have a good effect. But as far as Gore Goes nowadays the Chestburster scene is not shocking, only when you first see it and it may make you jump as you dont see it comming. So the C-Section scene is going to be less gory than the Chest Burster one, i cant see whats so shocking about that scene unless its what happens after (i.e when the Squid is above her head). I would say Ridley is a arogant and proud person, by that he knows he set a standard with the Chest Burster scene and so someone like him would not re do such a thing.... THEY WOULD TRY AND BETTER IT And to me the C-Section does not raise the Bar over the Chest Burster. The Scenes we have seen have so far shown us that a Squid is taken from Shaw via C-Section, they have shown that some Eel/Worm Organisms go around and potential change the crew into mutants/hybrids. We also have seen the Space Jockey as what looks to be the Blue Guy. Now unless there is more to those above things and they are misleading us in the Trailers, there must be a few MONEY SHOT moments in the movie, you would say that the last 8 minutes that may tie in the Derelict/Pilot and Eggs on LV426 in Alien is a MONEY SHOT scene as they given not much away about that. So i cant see how the C-Section is another one of those moments because we have already seen in the trailers what becomes of that.

I disagree. We can't rule this scene out just because we've seeen a single second snap shot in the trailers. Although we now know what the scene is (fans on this forum) we've not actually watched it. The average movie goer won't have noticed this in the trailer as it flashed on screen. We've only spotted it through careful analysis and freeze-framing. We might not find it a shocking now we know what's coming, but it might be disturbing to someone who has no idea it is going to happen.

Well some was going on about the Mural of the Life Cycle and how the Derlelict inspired image was indead Shaw and there was a eye inbetween her legs that had a worm in it and the Eggs come from that..... Which links Shaw matting with Holloway = Egg. Well Giger has other works and one shows a Worm that is well, apears to have entered a female and the female is changing. Now we cant show that in a movie not if its gonna be PG 13.... But as i said before if we took Gorillas in Mist and Weaver has a half Ape half Human Baby... we dont have to show any Sex Scene to work out what happened. A Gorilla taking her into a Bush and her screaming without seeing anything is all thats needed to join the dots. Thus i dont think the Impregnate Scene is going to be between a Human looking Holloway and Shaw as they have something for each other. Its either going to be between a mutated/hybrid Holloway or some other Alien Organism.

@Mentos I agree that the scene would be shocking to a degree, but we have seen that there does not seem like much blood and we seen the Organism being held in place above her head. The only missing part is seeing it cut out of her which i cant see how it would rival a Chest Burster. And as you said the scene would be shocking and a suprise to those who never saw it, especially Alien fans.... But then maybe Fox/Ridley have dropped a big big boo boo by Showing that scene. They should have left the Scene out of the Trailers, it would have held more of a effect in the movie then. I doubt Ridley would have allowed that Trailer to be released if he did not agree with it, i recon when Fox goes to release a Trailer they allow Ridley to see it first. So either they have dropped a big boo boo, or there is something else, or something more to that scene and just after.

[b]@BigDave[/b] I hope the scene looks great when its finished. But you are right 100%; they should have left it out of the trailers.

I agree with others that this IS the money shot. For the majority of fans, they would have no idea what was in the trailer. It took me a few watches to even get a hint of it, before I looked at the freeze frames provided on here. Joe Public wouldn't have a clue. On one of the interviews with Scott that was linked on another topic, he said how it p*sses him off that some people (us!) over analyse and break down everything in trailers and discussion forums. The trailers have not been made with us in mind. Personally, I can't think of anything worse than a woman being inpregnated by an alien and having it removed.

Can I just say this one thing because I feel like ROYAL JELLY right now from reading this thread...CLEARLY...CLEARLY...AND IT'S SOOOO CLEAR YOU CAN EVEN TELL FROM THAT TRAILER...BUT CLEARLY...[b]THE MONEY SHOT IS THAT OF THE JOCKEY SUIT OPENING UP AT THE END OF THE TRAILER[/b] AND I THINK IT'S HAPPENING AT OR VERY VERY CLOSE TO THE VERY END OF THE FILM.

[b]@Spartacus[/b] well...that could just be the blue guy into the suit. In one of the trailers it opened and if I remember correctly it closed in another (they reversed the shot). Actually thinking about it, why can't the film have multiple amazing scenes!

HE HAS SAID 1000 TIMES..."This film is about the Space Jockey"...I guarentee you that operation has/is NO money shot. The Money Shot 100% is going to be the one revealing what comes out of that suit!

I like the idea of that operation and seeing the xeno in yet another encantation, but for me a "Money Shot" is the one that [b]MAKES or DEFINES a film[/b] and this film has deliberately been set up by Scott to feature that Jockey as it's focal point.

Would that assume that the Jockey or who ever is in that suit is not the Blue Guy? I mean the size of the Blue Guy would match who fits into that chair as being about 9ft. The Trailers dont answer anything they just give us more questions. For me the synopsis, the connection with Promethues Myth, Ancient Civilisations and thus us being created by some race of God like beings out there in space has a lot to do with the movie. Its the things like "a king has its reign" and the various other things Ridley and Co have said or hinted that give the biggest clues.

I'm 100% sure its the scene were Shaw gives birth to the squid thing The majority of the people who watch the trailer wouldn't even notice that Shaw is giving birth to something and the idea of à woman giving birth to an alien is really twisted and you could make up on the interviews that noomi and ridley were talking about this scene... I'm very sure about this guys sorry if it dissapoints you but i'm sure this is the money shot

I think it is the money shot..it's a fucking PG for god sakes...Im sorry but my patience with this movie is wearing thin, it better deliver yes I know noone owes me nothing just letting of steam

[i]Unknown[/i] is always scarier than [i]known[/i], so naturally imagining something else as the money shot (chestburster equivalent) is definately tempting. But hasn´t it almost been confirmed by Scott himself in the latest interviews, that Noomis cesarean is in fact the money shot? But it might be worth considering, that the scenes with the thing growing inside her might be even scarier than the removal...

I don't think she is attacked by her bf...I think her bf get's infected and doesn't tell her, they have intercourse and she becomes infected....either that or she is forced to have relations with one of the SJ's and she has the offspring of the mixed race. Either way, I don't think this is the money shot as someone has suggested....from what other's have said, no hint of the chestbursting scene in any of the trailers in Alien. It will be a total surprise. Ridley would want it that way.

and Stefan, contrary to your belief...these trailers were intended for people exactly like us. Everything you see in a commercial, a movie, a trailer, (and I mean EVERYTHING) has been analyzed, discussed, and considered by directors, producers, and executives as to what is shown vs what is NOT shown. In the final analysis, this is what intices people to buy a ticket. No, I strongly feel there is something that is more sinister and insidieous coming that we have no knowledge of. That is Ridley's way. "if you want to keep a secret, don't tell the boss!"

I dont know where to begin with regards to this scene... I dont think its shocking and would not touch the Chest Burster in fact even Face Hugger Scene is potentially more disturbing.... But of the movie is going to be a PG13 (i think the US Rating System is flawed) That means its either going to be a 15 in the UK or a 12. To get around that a PG13 would not be able to include the extent of content a 15 would be but it would have more than a 12. If the movie is suitable for 13 year olds then we can pretty much forget any kind of gore or guts, we can forget any potentially upsetting Mutant Sex Scene or even maybe sugestion of such. A UK 15 would allow for such. This could potentially mean yes the C-Section is the MONEY SHOT (rival Chest Burster Scene). It would also most likely mean that Holloway was infected with that eye Worm, and that scene is either just before or just after Shaw and Holloway get pationate (but not show explictly). The strand of Alien DNA/Organism would start to rewrite Holloways Human DNA/Genetics to create the Hybrid, Fifeild may have a more servre faster growing Mutation due to the larger Worm that affected him. Now if Shaw gets Pregnant then Holloway passes some of the Alien DNA into the Embryo there is less Human DNA in a Embryo to be rewritten and thus create the Squid.... But then that would leave 3 scenes... 1) The one where some Tenticle like Organism us trying to get to Shaw has she is behind a Door. 2) The scene where she comes across what looks like a SJ only smaller. 3) The Scene where she is screaming/begging please... What would explain those scenes especially 1 and 3 if the Squid was conceived while Holloway looked very Human.

The c-section is likely the money shot Ridley was referring to. I hope there's more, but I doubt it. And I've mentioned it before, but the reason there are clips of that scene in the trailer is probably because FOX wanted to include the clip in the trailer. With or without Ridley's permission. At this point the movie's done and the studio will do what they think is best to promote the movie. (Misguided as they may be...) @Sparty I'm sure the scene of the suit opening up is "a" money shot, but i highly doubt it "the" money shot Ridley was refering to in his interviews. Unless of course the impact of the suit opening up to reveal...?????...is as good or greater than the impact of the original chestburster scene.

I don't know, really Ridley show part of the scene of the money shot in the trailer? Personally I do not think so. Let's see what has been revealed in the trailers: 1 - The entire appearance of the Space Jockey and his legendary suit (unless of course that it is a human or android using the suit as it seems to be very small and very short arms) 2 - Part of the scene of the squid born Shaw 3 - Scenes on the infection and the mutants (worms, smoking his helmet, etc) 4 - Enigmatic and mysterious arts murals (one of them reveals a familiar creature). But what we have not been shown yet? A: The appearance of new monsters (thank God). We have seen some of the initial phase of the mutations but not the final stage. So I think it's very likely that the money shot is closely related to the monsters and not the squid or the Space Jockey. Seen in the trailer is just the beginning of everything and it is possible that everything is connected in some way IMHO of course.

It's been reported that the last 8-10 minutes were done on a closed set limited to the actor/s [no one knows] and a minimum crew. The trailer editors didn't have this footage. Few have seen it. The special effect people for those scenes were working in isolation to keep it secret. I think whatever the shock is, it might happen there. No way they would put that shit in a trailer [I hope].

@Shane I dunno (I really hope you're right by the way.) But what I interpreted from Ridley's comments were that the trailer editors did not have access to the last 8 minutes of the film which contain the "Alien DNA". I also interpreted that there was a very limited crew and only Noomi present for the "Money Shot". If the above is correct, I think it means these are two different scenes. ( The last 8 minutes is one thing, and the "money shot" is another.) So the trailer editors did not have access to the last 8 minutes of the movie, but they did have access to the "closed set" footage Ridley mentioned.

I agree with @draekus, why? For the simple fact that Scott has said a million times that Prometheus is not an Alien movie. Ok maybe it has the same DNA, Easter eggs and the 8 minutes, but the money shot should be more directed towards the new story (Damon Lindelof said that a prequel must be original and not really easy to predict) Therefore the 8 minutes and the money shot are 2 different things IMHO of course.

There are reports both ways. On the avpgalaxy forums a few interesting posts came and went about the last 8-10 minutes and what surrounds them. Mostly that few have seen it, it was closed set and the SFX crew are working in isolation. Now if that scene from the trailer is the money shot, well, stupid to put it in a trailer with a rabid fan base. The shock of that scene has been killed for me because I thought about it quite extensively. And there is no way the massive amount of emotion Shaw would be feeling could ever be played out in a 2 hour movie to the depths that I, and probably others have already thought about. The scene has lost its impact on us. So I am hoping that isn't the money shot. The end is all their is to hope for.

I'm pretty confident that the operation is no where near the money shot for this film. It might be a wow that's awesomely awesome shot but please the bread and butter for the film? No, sorry. Scott has big things planned and he isn't going to let some of the newer gen of Moore goers to ruin his "baby" just cause they need a "movie trailers for dummies" type approach to everything. Just my opinion though, but I'm sure if I put some effort into it I could find plenty of supporting points like the others who think the money shot is yet to be seen. Don't get me wrong I think the op will be one of the coolest scenes in the film no doubt, but the whole films not riding on it per say.

Well it depends what you define as MONEY SHOT... A Money Shot? Or the Money Shot.... Does he mean Money Shot in terms of shock? Or as in importance to the Plot. @Shambhala Yes the movie is not soley about the Alien Xeno, a Alien Movie in the context would be about most of the movie having revolve around the Xeno. It depends what Ridley means by no Xeno DNA untill the end of the movie. A Planet of the Apes sequel could contain no Humans at all... but we could see Human DNA via our link to the Evolved Apes? When Ridley says Alien DNA i think he means actually any Organism related to these Organisms as they actually apear. [img]http://gentlemint.com/media/images/2012/02/19/3a3e0926.jpg.650x650_q85.jpg[/img] We will not see none of them, but then if he refers to them as Alien DNA, but we see it or a link to it at the end of the movie.... then maybe the end of the movie would have to show us. 1) Something from that cycle or that bears a early resemblence like Homo Sapiens to Humans. 2) Something that we can see cause the creation of the Eggs, or something or action that leads to what eventually Chest Burst out of the Space Jockey. Maybe Shaws Baby is the Proto Xeno? But if the movie has no Alien DNA but it has the Holloway Mutation etc and Shaws Squid Baby and thus they are not classed in Ridleys eyes as Alien DNA..... what then is that Alien DNA at the end of the movie?

[quote]Well it depends what you define as MONEY SHOT... A Money Shot? Or the Money Shot.... Does he mean Money Shot in terms of shock? Or as in importance to the Plot.[/quote] "Money Shot" is actually the term we (on the forum) have apparently started using to refer to the scene that Ridley said was on par in shock/awe value to the original Chestburster scene. I don't believe Ridley ever used the term "Money Shot" himself.

Also we have to maybe look at what Money shot is, and if its part of a Plot Movie that answer the questions asked. Dont forget this is not no stand alone Movie.. we are not seeing say what Predators is to AVP.... There are connections its based in the same Universe, will be based as Canon to the events of Weyland Yutani the corperation, and also Alien (but in smaller matter). The movies questions and what Ridley wanted to answer was... 1) What was the Derelic, what was it doing on LV426 2) Who was the Pilot, where did he come from, what was his mission. 3) Why was the Alien Eggs onboard and how did they get there. At that point and the conceptional point when Ridley must have first thoughht about touching up on those. 1) There was no direct or deep Questions about how the Eggs was created, how was the Xeno created and why. 2) There was no deep questions about the Evolution/History of the Pilot/Space Jockey. Those could be aswered in a simple context, such as the Jockey are a Ancient Space Fairing Race at War with some Race or on a mission to wipe out some other Race. With a Bio Weapon carried on board that ship. In detail you could cover that and make a direct link with Alien. I think Ridley changed his mind and wanted to only touch upon the reasons for the Eggs, or Xeno at the very end. He wanted to not make much of the plot on item 1) but go in depth with item 2) Thus adding the creation theory, thus adding and showing us some kind of Bio Tech that can be used to Teraform and Bio Form Organisms, creating new ones but for what purpose. Thats what he will be making the most of this movie about, at the end it will go to maybe explain the events that lead to what happend to the Derelict and Pilot on LV426 and how the Eggs get there. But in such a way that no other movie needs to be done on that subject because well that movie is already done i.e Alien/Aliens etc. Thus allowing him to branch out into another movie.... could that be what happens with Weyland Yutani, what happens to Shaw/Vickers/David. What happens to LV223 its temples, its Bio Forming Tech. Do we see any of them again? Are they all wiped out, do we see the Space Jockeys. Bascially apart from the Derelict that lands on LV426 its Pilot and Cargo, what else from this movie can be explored in a Prometheus Seqeul.

@draekus Indeed yes that could be what he is on about.... He does say there is a scene that rivals the Chest Burster, but i think he also said thats not the only shocking feature moment of the movie. Knowing Ridley, he is argant/proud and very competitive. Thus i think he would not want to just rival that scene, i think he would want to raise the bar again, and dont forget he has a massive budget and better technology as far as special effects to pull off a better scene than the Chest Burster. But we have seen the Shaw Baby, at first when i saw the trailer i spoted something, i slowed down and i thought the Squid was a Proto Face Hugger that the Company was trying to implant into Shaw. Only after carefull looking and noting other scenes did it become clear that we was seeing something being cut out of her. Casual viewers would not notice that in Trailers, they would not notice the Worm that gets into the Space Suit, they would not notice that the Jockey seems like he is being attached to the Chair. Only those who Analyse the footage would notice such details. Thus yes maybe that is the Money Shot as far as Rival Scene to Chest Burster. If so then it should not have been included in the Trailers even slightly, because if we never knew or saw that scene and then onlys saw it as it unfolds in the movie it would indeed be a massive suprise. As it stands to most of us who noticed it in trailers, it would be like someone watching the Star Wars Saga from 1-6 where by when it comes to the scene where Vader said "Obi Wan never told you about your father" Well that scene is not the suprise it was to those who watched the movie for first time before the Prequels.