Does AVP count as accurate to Prometheus

Thats just it, O'Bannon was a co writer on the first AVP, and the second was just a way to tie up the loose ends of the first. Don't judge the book by it's cover! Also I have heard some fans say that the AVP films should have been done like the comics/games... if they had it would have been even worse... because we would have ended up with another starship poopers. What we got wasn't perfect, but it was better than what we would have got had we got we wanted.

there are people that say canon includes even the comics too, all of it, which IMO is rediculous. I am ALL for creativity, but NOT at the expense of credibility.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. There are those who view the Predator movies and such as fun B movies with cheesy acting, horrible dialogue, cheesy everything and either like them as such or not (I thought the first and second were fun). And view Alien as a B-movie only at the surface, with the possibility to go into more profound territory. And have been waiting for decades for it to do so. In either case, in no way should the series be joined. It is like having a movie where Jason takes on Jack Torrance from The Shining. Or combining Doritos with with a filet mignon. Nothing wrong with doritos. But they just ain't fine dining. Fanboys and girls can rationalize ie retrofit ANYthing to fit and make sense. And that is not an insult. But it is a fact. Others, like me, do not want to retrofit anything like Predator to Alien. And if Scott or anyone else does something in a film that is just plain stupid, I for one will say, "LAME!" and not worry over how I can fit it into precious canon.

comics are never canon, they are extended universe, or sanctioned fan fiction. Canon is anything created within the same universe represented in the same format as the source material. for example - the forthcoming Dark Knight Rises isn't canon, but Batman Year One is. Ergo AVP and AVPR are canon (because there is no official word otherwise), whereas the comics, games, novels, toys etc. are not.

ya know this argument is 10 years old at least so I have to add, after thinking about it from the point of view of those that even Want this, I realized something NEW just now... If we do this, does that mean the Xenomorph was orignally a BEACHBALL because if we do by those high and lofty STANDARDS... [b]STARBEAST would be CANON.[/b]

How does that mean that Starbeast is Canon, it's not even in the same universe.

My point is that no one seems to care about the living thread of any film in the franchise, that is it's content and how it would fit within that universe, A practice I wish, no I am certain Poor Dan would have wanted and needed to live long enough to put a STOP to. the second I saw the kid from "That 70's show" and then realised..."what, that other guy...his name is DAllAS, the guy from "Rescue Me"...he's Dallas now...and she is...whaaat..."Ellen"...she's whaaaaat...a Marine...whaaaaat....?....we 're looking at Pizza delivery guys in Earth...whaaaaat?....why is the Creature from the end of Resurrection coming into my head ALL OF THE SUDDEN AND WHATS GOING ON IN PARIS RIGHT NOW WHILE ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING...whaaaaaaat....?....wait a second, the ship that dropped the Predators off that we have been tracking all through the first AVP film just dropped off some more predators but Whaaaaaattt...all of the sudden their ships delivery system is completely different than it was in the first film...whaaaat....? I could go on forever...They Have No Credibility...By the Standard everyone has been using for this STARBEAST would belong in here too because it was the start of all of this so I could rationalize it's part of the franchise and therefore "Canon"

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet: Alien and Predator are mostly linked because of the skull from Predator 2(God Gary Bussey you suck!)

starbeast - different characters, universe etc. thus not canon. yeah the characters where lame, is the Alien/Predator franchise any different - Jerry "The Lone Ranger" Lambert. The delivery system was different in predator 2 than in predator, and again in predators. Is Alien Rez a good film, hell no, but its canon.

Because of that single scene in Pred2(which is no longer canon due to Predators), fans have been tearing at each other for years on this topic. The first AVP, even with all its errors in canon and plotholes, was still entertaining and fun to watch as an action film; but it's meant to be watched as a stand alone. The second one? I grew up a second head by the end of the movie.

I have to say "tutelo" when "Snorky" first mentioned/asked me to go back and do a study with him on both films AVP we/I learned many new things and the best one was I completely admit... That first AVP film, despite my own personal opinion on it being Canon or not was WILDLY entertaining to watch and I told Snorky at the time, and it;s all in a thread here somewhere, that I thought the "Flying Vaginas" scene might just be the single greatest few seconds ever filmed in all 6 films!!! I loved the First AVP film. That is...absolutely Loved watching it and Love that queen at the end. Now that Prometheus involves a bunch of company people and one or a couple of poor ol' Droids meeting to find out these things on earth have led us to a discovery of another temple is just to g-d d****d similar to allow me to take it all as "Canon". But Snorky can give you some good arguments why it should be, I just agree to disagree, if it had a completely different plot with no temple I might agree. But the similaritites IMO are a statement form Scott directly to FOX saying Loud and Clear, this was and is still is Dan and My Puppy, no mater what the three of you {Giller, Hill, I forget the other just now} think or ever do!

Sorry Snorky, but I have to blow a hole in a major part of your argument there....Dan O'Bannon did NOT co-write AVP....... This is from an online conversation....[url=http://z8.invisionfree.com/MHVF/ar/t1164.htm]AVP: Why are O'Bannon and Shusett credited...[/url]....that references Fangoria #239 on the subject... "Dan O'Bannon discusses this in Fangoria#239. "What happened in the case of "Alien vs Predator" was complex", he says of this issue and essentially he suggests that a lot of unfilmed parts of his first screenplay were ransacked and they went for arbitration. It's an interesting and candid article." "Thanks Victor, I'll have to check that out. I do recall reading interviews with Paul Anderson where he discussed that the whole pyramid idea came from the early O'Bannon/Shusett drafts of ALIEN, so that's probably where a lot of that stemmed from." There you have it...O'Bannon DID NOT have anything direct to do with AVP.....Anderson was forced to credit O'Bannon and Shusett for that reason......... Honestly, AVP is nothing more than a studio cash grab monster mash up like Freddie v.s. Jason. Just because some studio shlub decides he can wring the last vestiges of profit from the wet towel remnants of an idea, doesn't make it cannon. Hell, I Love the first two Dark Horse runs of 'AVP'...loved them, but never thought the universes were actually worth crossing and because someone in a studio office decided it was a good idea to line his or her pockets does not make it canon or even a good sideshow...... Also, there are plenty of examples where sequels are completely ignored as canon due to inferior quality and a lack of involvement by writers or directors of the original work.......'Psycho', 'Halloween', 'Jaws'.....all have a slew of sequels that no one pays much attention to for those reasons....heck, 'Halloween 2' was written by Carpenter, but beyond that none of it really matters......AVP, notice I don't even it give it the respect of qoutation marks, is cheap exercise in fanboy fun run amok with studio dollars and little sense....Canon it is NOT......

An aside to what Spartacus said......AVP is a little entertaining, but I can't stomach the notion of these two universes being combined for the reasons I've stated....

somtimes it pays off to be an avid reader. lol.

"Flying Vaginas"...I never thought of them that way, but I concur, specially since I saw that scene yesterday.

[quote]"Flying Vaginas"...I never thought of them that way, but I concur, specially since I saw that scene yesterday.[/quote] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Me neither...'Till I went back and watched it all again, and a few times over at that, and Snorky then said to me this was how it is typically referred to...LOL.

Here is an dan o bannon interview that may shed some light for some of you...[url=http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/7576/the_den_of_geek_interview_dan_obannon.html]Your text to link here...[/url]

Ya know after reading all that, I realised I had read it before, and this is why I am so cocky about it all...Incredible how the truth always floats to the top. That Poor man, O'Bannon, the disgusting way he was treated even on the set of the first film, but in everyone's defense by that time he was off the deep end and out of control over the growing pain of having to hand over his baby to others to dissect and destroy and cut up.

Snork!! to to pile on you bro but had the whole thing with AVP been done proper and I do mean with a better director than that hack Anderson (Hate that guy) and a story that more closely resemble that of the first comic, perhaps things would have turn differently.

Thanks so much alteredstate.....here's an excerpt that's most relevant to the conversation.... [b]Are you nervous to see the Alien, essentially your baby, evolve into storylines that are further and further away from the original universe you created?[/b] Well, I’m not nervous about it anymore. I’ve gone through the annoyance at making these silly sequels, so I didn’t really care anymore. [b]Did you have any more input into AvP2: Requiem than just your credit as having created the alien character?[/b] No, no. You’ve got to understand that Walter Hill and David Giler, who have been attached to the project from the beginning, they hate my guts. Because they’re scoundrels. They thought that by pulling a couple of fast ones that they could steal my screenplay credit from the original Alien. [b]This is where they rewrote the names of the characters in your original script?[/b] Yeah. They should have had enough experience themselves to know that that wouldn’t work, because they both had a couple of studio pictures already in their background, and they were both Writer’s Guild members, and they had been through arbitrations. The arbitrations standards are pretty clear, and they should have realised that no minor changes were gonna get them – certainly not the sole screenplay credit, which they expected, and in fact they ended up getting no screenplay credit. I don’t know – villains think as villains think; y’know – they’re stupid. When they failed to get that credit they both just flipped their lids. They’d already targeted me as a victim, meaning that I was ‘not a friend’. And then when the victim ended up not being victimised, they were just furious, just beside themselves. Walter Hill spent several years telling everybody who would listen, any journalist that he’d really written Alien and I stole his credit, until I finally got fed up and had my lawyer shut him up for good. So no, they were not about to have me involved in any of those sequels. They’re only interested in the money with those sequels, anyway. These are not artistic fellows. [b]Did you even see the first Alien Vs. Predator film[/b]? Yeah, sure, I saw it. [b]What did you think of it?[/b] Videogame. I did have an idea that they didn’t use, and that was that the alien in his next phase turns into the predator. But they weren’t interested in hearing from me…at least it would have had some continuity between the two ideas. [b]Where would you like to see the next Alien film head? Perhaps back to the more high-budget universe that you---[/b] I’d like to see it stop. A horror movie’s a fragile thing, and once you’ve gotten past the original, it isn’t scary anymore. So you do a bunch of sequels to a horror movie, all they do is drain any remaining impact out of the original. All of the sequels to for instance Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers, same thing; they over-expose the ideas, and when you look at the original, it’s not as effective as it would have been if you had just left it alone. But money makes the world go round and Hill and Giler saw that as the best way to make more money without having to do any work. So as producers with an in at Fox, they just continue to shove those things through. [b]So as far as you’re concerned the Alien franchise is pretty much played out now?[/b] It was played out after the first one, as far as I’m concerned. Cameron, in the first one, did about the only thing you could do, which was that he changed to a different genre, from a horror movie to an action film. But once he had done that, there really was nothing left to do. And they just keep squeezing the thing till it’s an empty bag. But as long as it keeps bringing in money to them, they’ll keep doing it. Gordon Carroll was the only decent one among the producers. He had a falling out with them over Alien and they stopped liking him too, and he passed away a couple of years ago.

Paul W S Anderson also states on the second disc of AVP extreme edition DVD that he discussed, at lengths, his ideas with Dan O'Bannon and recieved ideas that contributed to the original screenplay. This is what I meant by co-wrote. O'Bannons view on the Alien was jaded because of the way he was screwed over by the brandwine productions idiots. If was not for O'Bannon, none of us would be here but who profits from his idea, 3 (now 2) greedy morons. Also, I seem to recall that James Cameron actually liked the first AVP. And for those that dis Cameron, Giger absolutely loves the design of the Queen. @ Xenophobia - AVP would have been worse had it followed the comic/game example. It makes me laugh that this argument goes round in circles the way it does... On weylandindustries.com it relates about the patent for the powerloader seen from Aliens, therefore you all accept Aliens as canon. but the very name of the website [b]WEYLANDINDUSTRIES[/b].com comes from AVP, but thats just coincidence in peoples eyes. If you wanted to eliminate the AVP's from canon why have an official site using the name of Weyland Industries, rather than, oh I don't know weylandcorp.com

Hey Fellas, Here’s how I see it. The 4 ALIEN Franchise films are fraught with inconsistencies, due to artistic license and many other factors. The AVP and PREDATOR films suffer from the same problems. I think that the main cause for these continuity differences, flaws or changes, is due to the fact that these stories are not coming from ONE, full-bodied source material or work. The filmmakers are making it up as they go… compounded by the fact that production teams are being changed with every film. This is why the LORD OF THE RINGS films have a continuity that is pretty much unmatched, whether one likes the films or not…one author, one director, same production team. Unity of cinematic purpose and goal. Just like a football team, a government, or any other endeavor that is aspired to. For myself, the would be ALIEN “canon” was smashed…a long time ago, with the release of ALIENS, a film that I love…but still distorted the original vision. For my taste, none of these others films have even come close to ALIEN 1979. As far as video games… I really don’t give a shit what they consist of. Let’s face it…they’re FU

Craig you'r dead on, too often are movie sequels turn out like if they came out of an assembly line. The first AVP was just passeble entertaiment and AVPR was "basura" (garbage in spanish) as far as I know I think RS is trying to bring something new and fresh to whole Alien Universe, something no one has envision before.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_vs._Predator_(film)]Your text to link here...[/url]...........Before 20th Century Fox gave Alien vs. Predator the greenlight, Aliens writer/director James Cameron had been working on a story for a fifth Alien film. Alien director Ridley Scott had talked with Cameron, stating "I think it would be a lot of fun, but the most important thing is to get the story right."[34] In a 2002 interview, Scott's concept for a story was "to go back to where the alien creatures were first found and explain how they were created", however he has not shown interest in pursuing the project.[34] On learning that Fox intended to pursue Alien vs. Predator, Cameron believed the film would "kill the validity of the franchise" and ceased work on his story, "To me, that was Frankenstein Meets Werewolf. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other...Milking it."[35] After viewing Alien vs. Predator, however, Cameron remarked that "it was actually pretty good. I think of the five Alien films, I'd rate it third. I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot."[35] A sequel, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, was released on December 25, 2007.[36] Directed by brothers Greg and Colin Strause, the story continues from the conclusion of Alien vs. Predator.[37] The film also received mostly negative reviews, and had a worldwide theatrical gross of nearly $130 million.[38]

I don't feel the Predator should be attached to Prometheus/Alien at all. If there is a Predator in Prometheus, I am walking out.

I'm a huge ALIEN fan and I've never even bothered to watch AVP films because I know they will just be a joke. AVP has no place in Ridley's world.

Snorky, God love you, we can argue inconsitencies about Weyland Industries all day....the fact of the matter is, there's no denying that AVP was an excuse to make money, as I said, some studio shlub decides he can wring the last vestiges of profit from the wet towel remnants of an idea...... .......we're missing the point here....why is O'Bannon so frustrated in that article?...."I’d like to see it stop. A horror movie’s a fragile thing, and once you’ve gotten past the original, it isn’t scary anymore. So you do a bunch of sequels to a horror movie, all they do is drain any remaining impact out of the original." Why has Ridley held off on returning to this universe for so long?....he has always said that he wanted the right story...because story is everything....With 'Prometheus', as he's said countless times, this is its own story, congruent with the alien universe, but separate and unique, a prequel that goes its own way, something FUNDAMENTALLY NEW.... AVP takes two different franchises, mixes em' up as a gimmick, STEALS from O'Bannon's original script and bastardizes those stolen elements to make money rather than art.........sure Ridley's made it clear wants a massive finacial success..there's nothing wrong with that, except in the moment it becomes the sole point of the damn thing......There is no attention to artistic detail, integrity, storytelling or purpose in AVP...it is, therefore, categorically undeserving of canonical respect....

I consider the AVP films to be satire. I think it kind of goes over a lot of people's heads. The movies aren't meant to be taken seriously.

I feel sick.

To be honest, nothing about AVP would have to be mentioned in Prometheus to keep it canon. They don't need to acknowledge it to confirm that those events happened or that Predators exist in the same universe; They would have to go out of their way to write something in that discredit the validity of the films or simply show that the Xeno did not exist until the events of Prometheus, which of course would make AVP not possible. As Snorkelbottom has pointed out -The website has gone out of it's way to include Weyland Industries -The timeline mentions the Yutani Corp. These are two valid references to AVP There is a lot of discussion on whether Alien 3 & 4 will remain canon as well with most people saying Alien & maybe Aliens is, but not the rest. On the websites timeline are references to Aliens (Power Loaders and Colonial Marines) and Alien 3(Prisoners transported off Earth to correctional institutes), I didn't see anything for Res, so please correct me if I overlooked it. So if anybody is basing Aliens as being canon due to the timeline references than you would have to accept the other references made by the timeline and website as being meant to be canon. They are either there to include these movies into the canon or they are simply there for fanfare, which means we can't say one is saying a film is part of the canon but not the others. Tutelo- "Because of that single scene in Pred2(which is no longer canon due to Predators" Predators doesn't make Predator 2 non canon because Robert Rodriguez comes along 20 Years later and says that sequel doesn't count anymore, he didn't write anything into the movie to prove that Predator 2 didn't happen. Isn't that like someone other than Scott coming along after Prometheus to do a sequel and saying that he's going to change the canon. All 3 are canon for me regardless of what he said, IMO. CanadaPhil- "The AVP movies have taken away virtually ANY mystery the Xeno may have had and completely reduced it to nothing more than a mindless piece of cannon fodder that was bred by an intergalactic version of a Hillbilly hunter looking to get its kicks by killing and stuffing something for his trophy wall." Didn't Aliens turn the Xenos into cannon fodder first, just saying though. @ Spartacus- Um, no comment for fear that you might retaliate in all CAPS on my ass. Dude, it's like your turned into The Hulk when you do that, LOL. "SPARTACUS SMASH AVP"!!! God fear the day they come out and say that AVP is officially canon, I want to make sure I'm nowhere near you, haha.

To be honest, nothing about AVP would have to be mentioned in Prometheus to keep it canon. They don't need to acknowledge it to confirm that those events happened or that Predators exist in the same universe; They would have to go out of their way to write something in that discredit the validity of the films or simply show that the Xeno did not exist until the events of Prometheus, which of course would make AVP not possible. As Snorkelbottom has pointed out -The website has gone out of it's way to include Weyland Industries -The timeline mentions the Yutani Corp. These are two valid references to AVP There is a lot of discussion on whether Alien 3 & 4 will remain canon as well with most people saying Alien & maybe Aliens is, but not the rest. On the websites timeline are references to Aliens (Power Loaders and Colonial Marines) and Alien 3(Prisoners transported off Earth to correctional institutes), I didn't see anything for Res, so please correct me if I overlooked it. So if anybody is basing Aliens as being canon due to the timeline references than you would have to accept the other references made by the timeline and website as being meant to be canon. They are either there to include these movies into the canon or they are simply there for fanfare, which means we can't say one is saying a film is part of the canon but not the others. Tutelo- "Because of that single scene in Pred2(which is no longer canon due to Predators" Predators doesn't make Predator 2 non canon because Robert Rodriguez comes along 20 Years later and says that sequel doesn't count anymore, he didn't write anything into the movie to prove that Predator 2 didn't happen. Isn't that like someone other than Scott coming along after Prometheus to do a sequel and saying that he's going to change the canon. All 3 are canon for me regardless of what he said, IMO. CanadaPhil- "The AVP movies have taken away virtually ANY mystery the Xeno may have had and completely reduced it to nothing more than a mindless piece of cannon fodder that was bred by an intergalactic version of a Hillbilly hunter looking to get its kicks by killing and stuffing something for his trophy wall." Didn't Aliens turn the Xenos into cannon fodder first, just saying though. @ Spartacus- Um, no comment for fear that you might retaliate in all CAPS on my ass. Dude, it's like your turned into The Hulk when you do that, LOL. "SPARTACUS SMASH AVP"!!! God fear the day they come out and say that AVP is officially canon, I want to make sure I'm nowhere near you, haha.

"-The website has gone out of it's way to include Weyland Industries -The timeline mentions the Yutani Corp. These are two valid references to AVP." Sorry Alien DNA, but those references do NOT prove the validity of AVP....Weyland/Yutani exists as a corporate Conglomerate in 'Alien' and 'Aliens' and 'Alien3'....simply referencing them in the timeline does not validate the mash-up mess that is AVP....I don't recall the timeline on weylandindustries.com mentioning Charles Bishop Weyland.....someone want to prove me wrong on that one?.....I garauntee that would be a validating reference....but it isn't there.....

Altered State & Alien DNA in the house... To add to the comments regarding Predators... 1. Noland Roland was originally scripted to be either Dutch or Harrigan. 2. The Classic Predators holographic display was first seen in AVP. 3. 3 Predators hunting prey together was first seen in AVP. 4. The Director Nimrod Antal has said that the jaw attached to the Berserkers mask is that of the Alien (although I personally don't see it myself). 5. Nimrod Antal has also stated that in the Predators camp there is a Classic Predator and Alien skull (but I have only seen the Classic Predator one). And on another note, AVPR is the one film to date to actually do the Predator, and in a sense the Alien, justice.

@ craigamore - remember that originally Weyland-Yutani was never meant to be a merged company (as per Ron Cobb), just a company with a double barrel name. Even Sparky will vouch for that. AVP and AVPR were the first films to voice said merger which is backed up on weylandindustries.com, not only by the websites name (AVP) and its references to itself as Weyland Industries, but also with the mention of the Yutani Corp as a separate body. None of the Alien films stated that Weyland-Yutani started that way, that was AVP, further backed up by said site weylandindustries.com.

This is accurate and true info I found Hysterical this morning, seems to me no body ever checked to begin with what that word even meant. "can·on" 1 (knn) n. 1. An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a church council. 2. A secular law, rule, or code of law. 3. a. An established principle: the canons of polite society. b. A basis for judgment; a standard or criterion. 4. The books of the Bible officially accepted as Holy Scripture. 5. [b]a. A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: "the durable canon of American short fiction" (William Styron). b. The works of a writer that have been accepted as authentic: the entire Shakespeare canon.[/b] 6. Canon The part of the Mass beginning after the Preface and Sanctus and ending just before the Lord's Prayer. 7. The calendar of saints accepted by the Roman Catholic Church. 8. Music A composition or passage in which a melody is imitated by one or more voices at fixed intervals of pitch and time. I can add another one too, 9. In war time ...a Slow Moving Military device used to fire Large Black Balls Packed with gunpowder at an enemy.

Snorky....explain the absence of Charles Bishop Weyland in the Timeline....who, in AVP, is the founder of modern artificial human tech, not Peter Weyland as 'Prometheus' suggests..........the two timelines DO NOT mix or jive with one another for that reason.....how can you have a corporate timeline for Weyland Industries and NOT mention Charles Bishop Weyland?.......As to whether Weyland/Yutani starts as a single entity or is the result of a merger; sure, you say, "None of the Alien films stated that Weyland-Yutani started [as a merger]"...that's true, but none of them say it didn't happen that way either.........the notable absence of Charles Bishop Weyland is a clear and definitve repudiation of AVP.....that Ridley, Spaiths and Lindelof chose only to take the merger idea, does not, in and of itself, prove AVP occured as canon...if anything it does just the opposite wiith Charles Bishop Weyland being left out...... The only thing that will change this reality and fact of AVP's unimportance is Charles Bishop Weyland being mentioned in the film 'Prometheus'...Until we see that, there's no eveidence in your favor on this Snorks....sorry and I do say that with all due respect to you sir....

And CLEARLY if we were to go by the very definition of that word, the ONLY "Canon" in this entire universe we have been discussing so deeply and with such emotion would be the first film and this new one and THAT'S IT FOLKS. And I am just going by the very defenition I just looked up which makes it clear they all have to come from the exact same screenwriter if you ask me.

@CAM... 1. CBW was an engineer and pioneer in robotics, nothing more (time magazine in helicopter en-route to icebreaker piper maru - AVP). That does not conflict with PW creating synthetics, if anything it supports it. 2. If they had wanted to ret-con AVP out of canon, they would not have mentioned weyland indusries whatsoever. 3. The corporate timeline, despite the sites address, is for Weyland Corp, not Industries. 4. Mentioning CBW is not necessary, same as it is unnecessary for Prometheus to mention Ellen Jane Ripley. Also the link is more interwoven than the two AVP films... Answer me these... 1. What was Special Order 937 in Alien. 2. What was the OWLF's mandate in Predator 2.

and I have to say this because I know how Snorklebottom's Mind Works and it's a devious one at that, he's goood...so before he comes in here and says what I know he is going to say I am going to address it... No Snorklebottom you cannot count or use #5A in your argument which is..."A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: "the durable canon of American short fiction" (William Styron)." simply because 1st of all this isn't about any "Filed" or "category" of work that they, the films, would represent it;s about the validity of content created from completely different writing teams and secondly because there are no defining set of literary works that preceeded the first film or the 2nd one or the 3rd or the 4th let alone the AVP series.

Okay Sparky... Find me the definition from the same site you used for CANON, for the word MONG