Spot the difference?

Maybe they're just design changes for the new film made to fit the story better. Maybe RS wanted the SJs to be more human like so the arms aren't long. I don't mind if every single detail isn't accounted for. How could a human fit in an SJs suit?

I guess I am the first person pointed out both SJ not same. The one in ALIEN is the great great great grand parent for the current SJ we saw in Prometheus. Please use your imagination picture this. Mammoth vs. Elephant Megalodon vs. Great White Big foot vs. Human Evolution made us smaller. :)

Maybe since its 2012 not 1979 RS is polishing things a bit ...it might be the same ...but are we over ANALysing things , can we not just ride along with the story and enjoy it without detailing every nut and bolt? Jeezo!

I say human....but who??

Though nothing will be confirmed until the film is released, I believe it to be common knowlege...though officially still speculation....that the ship from the original alien film and the images we see in the prometheus trailer are not one in the same. Many of the distinctions between the two can also be attributed to different times. The newer images may very well be the same. There are screen shots which give clearer where there are cyro beds in the same room which arent present in original. The arm lenght difference.....which other images indicate this can be some sort of mutation. The elongated limbs. The trunk being a different length, which indicates nothing since we dont get a chance to witness the full sequence of the chair conforming to the indiviual sitting there.

It's Shaw. The crew gets picked off. Janek crashes the ship at Shaw's urging. Vickers bails and joins Shaw on the surface, before getting squished by the crashing ship. Shaw climbs aboard the derelict after it crashes, dispatches the pilot and hops into his chair. We already know she's 'infected,' so the SJ we see in ALIEN is her, having sent the barely decipherable warning beacon and given birth to something while still grafted into the chair. Also I think the chair deploys parts which surround and secure the occupant. Other parts do actually grow around the occupant over longer periods of time.

Well, definitely the space tapir of Prometheus is more smaller than the Space Jockey original. My thoughts on this are: 1) It is a human or android inside of the suit (perhaps Vickers, Shaw or David) Why? maybe to escape of the planet and return to Earth or simply to make use of technology (the fire of the gods) and may pay a high price for it as a punishment. 2) The engineer is smaller (as the difference between a God and Titan) Could be sacrificed Engineer Who knows?

@Thadus12: keep in mind, that with this image, there is no human figure to compare it to in this image the scale of this new Jockey could be accurate, perhaps in the context of the film it will all make some sense(?) you may also note, the Juggernaut craft that was in the initial trailers that most of us have scrutinized to a fault, no longer looks as sleek and detailed as it looks in the latest trailers. i am bummed about that, but it is far beyond my control ah well...

I´m dissapointed if RS wont explain the other tapir with long arms in the last 8 minutes of Prometheus.. it may be just another race of tapir, ok, ..hm.. well..and its just a suit..ok, well..yeah..right

fanboy79: "the ship from the original alien film and the images we see in the prometheus trailer are not one in the same" I agree

Great Shots now i can get to work with the theory i had before and when i said the Jockeys are not that far off in size... Now i estimated the size of the Chair in Alien to be 16ft using Kane and Dallas, which gave me a 12ft Jockey.... If the Chair was 16ft in Prometheus gives us a 9ft Jockey but upto 10ft if we consider he is more slouched down in the chair. The 4 suits on the walls in one of the latest images again looks to be 9-10ft tall. Now onto those images, i tried to make a point that a number dismissed, and that if you compare parts of the chair to the heads, then the difference is the same near enough.... [img][IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/f41rmf.jpg[/IMG][/img] Here just uploaded, compare the circled parts.... You will see that the size of those parts compared to the Pilots is the same, this shows the Jockey is the same size to the chair in some sence, just the Alien one has much longer arms and can reach the what looks like Joysticks. But then the Prometheus one has his arms bent and not straight. Oh your main focus should be the size of circled parts compared to the head.... If you do that, some parts actually apear to be smaller to the head in the Prometheus shot thus potentially meaning the Head is bigger, or the parts are smaller. Also notice in top circled part there is another part just above the head in Prometheus thats not in Alien, this is because the Pilot in Alien has his head more up close to the head rest as opposed to slouched in Prometheus. The biggest dilema is the length of the Arms, the Alien ones ratio is longer than a Humaniods, the Prometheus ones is shorter than a humaniods but thats because his arms are bent. So i assume the difference is 2ft tops, and that the Alien one may have arms that are about 1ft longer....

And the arms of the new version are very short and in the old Space Jock we can see some really long arms, also has no legs... Lately I'm thinking the Original Derlict see it as a flashback holographic (or the beginning of the time) Since the same Ridley Scott said that the Derelict had millions of years stranded on LV-426 then this new pilot and his ship are different characters in fact. On the other hand may be getting different design like trying to compare the costumes of the crew of the Nostromo with the crew of the Prometheus ... (mine vs. scientists)

Scott said the Derelict made an emergency landing instead on Prometheus we see the ship crash. Therefore they are different ships with different pilots... By the way, good analysis @BigDave

I think yes that the Derelict in Prometheus that we have seen so far, does not land on LV426..... the biggest clue is not the size of the Jockeys as that image i posted should show its not as big a difference as some first thought, neither is it how the Ship looks less Organic.. The main difference is that there is no sarcophagus in Alien, if this is the same ship then when and how did they go, unless Ridley is going a bit like some of the differences and changes from The Thing and its prequel i,e the prequel they dont show the ship being blown up out of the ice... I would assume that if we do get to see the scene that links Alien and it shows us the Derelict that lands on LV426 before the S!$"$ hits the fan and the Jockey gets done for... I think it would show the Jockey and Derelict to be more like the Prometheus one than the Alien one but intended to be the same.

@Kane77 Please contribute to the debate (it would be more productive especially taking in count that this is a forum)

Prometheus can be a reboot, spin-off or the prequel to the prequel Who knows? adn It is possible some of the mystery continues.

Definitely think it's a human suiting up due to the size difference. i shall eat my words if I am wrong but I hold fast to this idea.

@shambhala [i]yes, father. my god tapir. [/i] ;) BigDave has pointed it out well..and if u dont like my opinion I am free to post ..well

[img]http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/imagecache/feature_img/space%20jockey.jpg[/img] [size=1][i]Image fixed courtesy of: abordoli (staff)[/i][/size] Really interesting analysis from you all. The link above shows the original jockey from 1979 prior to its 'final fix' A good pic for comparatives I thought.

@mikydisco yeah the arm alone has human size.. interesting, how alien and strange the original JS [i]still[/i] is..

Feck Batman doesnt look now like he did in the 60s tv series!

Thats half the fun tho, isnt it DAVRO59?

[img]http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/imagecache/feature_img/space%20jockey.jpg[/img] Yes thats a good image..... and looking at this again compared to the Human it seems to be about 12ft i would say.... The head does look compared to that production crews head to be about 20% larger maybe than the head that the crew of Prometheus examine.... Which again goes with the Jockey in Prometheus being 9-10ft compared to about 12ft in Alien.... Back to the image i posted with the highighted points... If you could see the full image of both and look at the Joystick/controll part of the chair and while yes the Arms are different and in Prometheus look like they wont stretch, but the actual size of this controll/joystick part in relation to the head is about the same in both movies. Also note that below the Circle above the heads, you can see another part of the Chair in Prometheus and not in Alien..... This to me goes with what i have said a number of times that the Prometheus Jockeys head is not upright as far back against the headrest... he is slouched down which can give impression of being smaller by some way. In Alien his head is right up against the headrest so to speak and thus covers that extra part of the chair that you can see above his head in Prometheus.

[img]http://i48.tinypic.com/2a660cn.jpg[/img] Here is what i mean about the slouched position, note that where the line is drawn in both images is above what looks to be the same part at the very top of the Chair. The Prometheus one has some other details to the Chair between that line and the Pilots shoulder height.... In Alien those details are not there because the Pilot is right back on the chair and thus covers them... Hope you get what i mean? And looking at this image and the other with the circles, you can see that the Jockey compared to the Chair is not a massive difference only really the longer arms stand out. Of course a Bigger Jockey would also explain why we cant see those parts of the chair and why the others head is right back.... But then look at that like nozzle part below the lines that is hilighted in other image by the first circle.... compare them to the heads.... They are the same size to the head in both, which rules out a much bigger guy theory.

also, the smaller jockey isn't as wide as the 1979. Look at how far away the shoulder is from the edge of the chair. A rather slight build on the 2012. It's gotta be Shaw for sure in my opinion.

yeah, again, many differences, and its not only the height that gives the new one a tiny look in the seat compared..The ´78 version has this horrifying look because he has surreal elements, non human, kinda human, biomech..and its a quite exact take of Gigers design, as he was a set sculptor, too. [URL=http://www.imagebanana.com/view/g73dq5q9/giger.jpg][IMG]http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/g73dq5q9/thumb/giger.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@IrishAndroid1 But isn't there a shot (gif) done by someone that shows what looks like an Engineers upper arm being revealed by the closing/opening of the suit? Also, wouldn't a human (or David) need to strip in order to get into it? The big engineer walking around would appear to be a "nudist" in the mindset that s/he's not wearing a "separate" (gets in the way) suit/uniform.

Ultimately, I think this is just similar but different technologies at different times in their evolution. I'm sure there was a "close enough" mindset in the art department too. If you look at the cockpit of B1 Bomber and then look at that of a 747, they're different. But, they're both cockpits and readily identifiable as such. I don't see any way for the two productions to perfectly reconcile these two different jockeys in two different ships in two different story lines within the storyline of Prometheus alone, and I personally don't need that to happen. I also SERIOUSLY DOUBT that anyone on Prometheus assumed that BigDave would do what he's done above in terms of this type of very thorough analysis. Most casual fans will see Prometheus and think, OH! There's the Space Jockey from Alien. I get it. And they'll move on.

"The big engineer walking around would appear to be a "nudist" in the mindset that s/he's not wearing a "separate" (gets in the way) suit/uniform" Trust me you will see a naked Engineer in this movie ;) As i have said there could be differences that Ridley is just trying to change. I estimate about 2ft difference no more..... Then again i was going to get a Magazine SCFI now with Prometheus special i read though quickly and it had the all the Alien Aliens inc Pred Alien and gave some info their heights and how to kill them. The SJ it was unknown how to kill and had a height of 7.9M oh yeah about 25ft.... after that error i decided not to buy it. I would assume Ridley will show us the Alien Jockey and how he got there and in that scene i expect the Ship and Jockey to look more closer in size to the Prometheus one than the Alien one, even though its meant to be the same guy.

I posted this else where in the David debate, but what if David morphs into the Space Jockey, growing and discarding the head and upper torso, ala Ash from Alien. That could account for the David head in the shot with the blue guy. Otherwise one of the Davids has simply been decapitated as has been suggested.

Keep in minds that the Juggernut (complete with SJ and chair design) on LV-426 is in the order of 1 million years old. The juggernaut we will see in Prometheus on-LV-223 is a much newer Juggernaut, thus the differences you see. Compare it to an antique [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T]Ford Model T[/url] (produced between 1908 - 1927) and the current [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fusion_(Europe)]Ford Fusion[/url] (produced between 2002 - 2011). Wouldn't the "chairs" look different? Wouldn't the "drivers (pilots)" look different? I would hope so, no?

Speaking of Ford... Whoever this SJ is, I think this is the one that kills Ford, the merc guarding her and also decapitates David.

Big Dave how are you on crop circles? I Love crop circles can you draw me some crop circles?

To be honest - the good old space jockey looked MUCH nicer to me! The new one looks like some "video-game-copy-of-the-original". I like this "realism" in ALIEN, which i can not find in "steril" prometheus. Its a pitty they did not bring back GIGER to design prometheus - the MASTER is the MASTER! But maybe he is to old and can not do the job any more, who knows...

OK, new at this. If the crashed ship is the same one in the movie and in Alien, how could there even be a pilot in the chair with his chest blown out in Alien. In Prometheus, the "engineer" leaves the chair , and ship to chase Dr. Shaw, and dies in the escape pod. No one should be in that chair. Discussing size and differences of the pilot, maybe the one in Alien was an earlier model, and the "engineers" were a little smaller. Saying that Alien could have happened on any planet. If it was a different ship on a different planet, who was the warning signal coming from. It couldn't be from Dr. Shaw, The "engineer" pilot?

There could be a simple explanation for the differences. 1-The Space Jockey seen in Alien (1979) is the fossilized corpse of an alien organism. He belongs to an ancient race that built spaceships. 2-The Suit seen in Prometheus is a bio-mechanic suit the Engineers had to wear in order to pilot ships that were not originally designed for humanoid bodies. That would mean the Engineers copied/stole/bought their technology from the Space Jockey race and adapted it to their own purposes. Mystery solved!