A.3 should be redone with Better performed "Alien"..

@Redleader YEEEEESSSSS!

Hmmm. A bit of the George Lucas touch huh? I've not been a big fan of CGI in creature effects because they look a bit fake - even nowadays. But if it were to be done to a3 then I would give it another look. I wouldn't mind seeing some if the model, planet and computer monitor affects in A1 updated too.

It really does look terrible. I just don't get why people think it's CGI though. Is it because people associate CGI with cr@p?? I would like to know because I have seen so many people post this very same thought on various forums. I even get told off sometimes when I say it's puppets not CGI. Deckard_B26354 already posted the best links, tyvm! Also, @Deckard_B26354, your Avatar made me laugh so hard! He looks so derpy in that pic! XD

The alien special effects and CG were bad in A3 agree, and could use an upgrade. Jim did a great job with alien suits in Aliens. A release in 3D with the fixes in the future??? like Star Wars :).

Already said it in another thread. 100% agree with you. It would be like the difference between THX 1138 and the THX 1138 Director's Cut. EDIT: Not too be a dick but there was only 1 "CG" shot in the film. It was the shot when the Alien's head cracks. The rest was actually filmed and composited.

Not a big deal but again, there was ONE shot in the film that used CG. It's the scene when the alien's head cracks like I said before. It's all in the special features on the numerous versions of the film. Besides THAT shot every shot that was not a close up with a guy in a costume was a puppet. They filmed the actors and sets, then with motion control cameras filmed the alien puppet with the same camera moves. Then composited them together. That's how it was done. Not one other shot in that film is CG. Not even the shots of the EEV crashing on the planet were CG. Take for instance the scene when they're in the halls and the alien is chomping on someone(can't remember who)that is on the ground. They shot the guy on the ground writhing then shot the puppet acting like he was eating the guy, then composited them. No computer was used. What's strange is that the puppet looked amazing when shown in the behind the scenes footage. It looks totally real. But because it wasn't CG they couldn't get the lighting on the alien correct. It just looked bad. Now, with CG you can create a 3D model of the set and position lighting exactly where it was when you shot and cast that light onto the 3d model of whatever it is being created. Looks just like it's there. Kinda hard to explain. The point is it's bad and it would be great if it was fixed. I'm down for a petition.

Yeah, it turned out horrible indeed. For a while I thought less of John Dykstra for how it turned out but I think it was just bad timing. It was a transition period when they were trying new things right before CG was crowned as king. I give them props for being daring and trying something new though. Kinda like what Blu ray did to HD. Just there's not that big a difference bettween blu ray and hd. The difference between CG and this crap is astounding. Just remember CG didn't look that good at the time.

I personally think my suspension of disbelief was compromised because the alien kept changing colour, thanks to the lighting issues. sickly green, then jet black (better) then something else. And this is in the same scene. It was as if we were dealing with more than one alien. I think the filmmakers should have used Cameron's approach all the way through. Gymnasts in suits, how genius was that?? :-)

@W2, that I believe...the "motion" just isn't right on the critter...

In Alien 3's defense, you guys hop in your DeLorean and go back to 1990 with the time and budget restraints that Alien 3 had and film the alien however you want and see what the effects look like: not good. Also, thanks Deckard for being the only one on this thread willing to do the research before posting.

@John D... The work done in Aliens is a lot different than Alien 3. The scenes with the power loader and queen together were not puppets. They were stop motion miniatures. There's a big difference even though some might not think so the biggest obviously being that one is shot using stop motion. But the reason the stuff at the end of Aliens looks good is because nothing had to be composited. Of course that's not the only reason it looks good. I'm just sayig that's why it doesn't look like shit like Alien 3. @Svanya... Thanks. I thought he looked so retarded I had to use it as my avatar. BTW Why can't I find women like you in Texas?

I should have done this to begin with. Here's a link. One CG shot, no stop motion. 1/3rd scale puppet... [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7aQ8f7oyw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL81BBCACF07F9ABDA]Alien 3 FX part 1[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7aQ8f7oyw&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL81BBCACF07F9ABD]Alien 3 FX part 2[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEg85k9UEL8&feature=BFa&list=PL81BBCACF07F9ABDA]Alien 3 FX part 3[/url]

Alien 3 is SO good and then that terrible looking puppet ruins everything, I've been saying this for years and years... They should fix the movies lighting or whatever AT LEAST even if they won't fix the lame puppet xeno. make it look less ridiculous. What kind of Alien movie is it where the alien is the worst part? don't even get me started on the ridiculous aliens in resurrection.

@Deckard....ty...I can't believe how horrid all that work turned out...

I wonder if the marionette alien was a reference to the original wooden planet concept. wooden alien as well.

I dont acknowledge A3...I am waiting for Ripley to wake up (like Pam Ewing did on the tv show "Dallas" when she thought Bobby was dead) and then every other alien sequel will have been a nightmare caused by some bad cornbread from the vending machine I abhor, hate, despise, loathe, regret, dislike the fact that they killed Hicks and Newt. I will never get over it. the worst idea ever. kinda like the neverending story 2 & 3. sheesh.

whatever it is...the alien looks BAD except in the "true costume" closeups all through A.3, whether, composited or CGI...LOTS of CGI in that movie, you can see it in the movements....the story's good, the characters are good, the film is good, the setting is great----it's just that stupid Alien looks SOOOOO cheesy, especially when it's running, or dragging something off....the closeups with "real sets" look great, though... Let's petition Fox to FIX this movie...

Just in case anyone wasn't aware: A number of the shots of Ripley in the power loader fighting the Alien queen at the end of "Aliens" (1986) were done using rod puppets as well. Check it out the "making of" documentary from the Quadrilogy boxed set. The problem, as pointed out above, was that the crew working on Alien 3 couldn't get the lighting on the model to match that of the environment it was composited into (and the compositing itself doesn't look too hot either).

It believe they used stop motion animation for many of the shots of the full alien moving which is why it doesn't look natural. This was done in the days before Jurassic Park properly introduced CGI for rendering flesh and blood creatures. In fact, the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were originaly going to be done as stop motion animation the same as Alien 3 until a CGI tech demonstrstion convinced the movie maker otherwise. But yes. Let's petition to upgrade the effects.

@ Deckard...whatever it was it was bad, on that we'll agree...

A coincidence I found this thread through Google and was about to post the same thing, it DEFINITELY needs to have the Alien redone, and just as importantly the Alien first person perspective shots need to be removed. I want it to be as long as possible, keep all of the extended scenes in there that the assembly cut has, cut down the part with Dillion getting ripped apart while telling Ripley what to do, have him say a short line while struggling at most.. Maybe cut down the parts with Weyland talking to Ripley followed by her jumping into the lava pool (redo the CGI on that too) or remove that shot completely. I honestly loved every part of Alien3 except for these little issues I have, the filming was absolutely terrific and very interesting, the acting was great too, fantastic characters and 90% of Alien3 stood proudly next to Alien in my opinion. Alien3 was great, I saw every Alien film in one day when I was 10, my friend lent me the box set and Alien3 was without a doubt my favourite back then, before I started judging special effects. So that answers it directly, I would absolutely love this to happen, even if Fox don't do it, i'm sure there are employees at WETA or whatever who would do this in their spare time?

Man I just 100% disagree and think the extended cut of Alien3 is a visual masterpiece!!!!

Just watching the Special Edition on Blu-Ray for the very first time. I thought the wide shot of it after it's birthed from the Ox looked okay. It looks fine when it's walking & wel lit. As soon as it cuts to the part when it runs in the dark, it looks awful. The colour is all wrong. If I won a ludicrous amount on the lottery, I'd fund it myself. I'd also get rid of that stupid shot of the egg on the Sulaco, can't believe they left that in.

at the time of viewing, I had ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with the depiction of the xenomorph in A3 -- what really pissed me off was that Alien 3 "wasn't set on Earth". Now, THAT, would have been a decent Alien movie. Imagine the absolute carnage - no need for Cameron's Queens, just commando/stealth xenos stealing your kids and hatching eggs from them, eggs containing facehuggers littering the glacial landscape. Ah....

So the creature in Alien 3 was a puppet the whole time? I always thought the full-body shots (the shitty looking ones) were just terrible CGI.

@N3cr0n0mIV The part when the Xeno's head cracks after Ripley "hits the sprinklers", is the only scene that was CGI. It actually looked pretty good, even though it was only a couple of seconds long. The shot of it running out of the the toxic waste dump after Golic releases it was bloody awful. It runs really fast, but if you frame forward, it looks almost 2D. There's a couple of frames where one of its feet isn't even attached to its leg. It was obviously never properly finished, seeing as it's not part of the theatrical release.