EXPLANATION for Queen, cocoons, and Alien Deleted Scene.

I just started a thread on this 5 minutes ago. Right below this one. Crazy.

I personally prefer the idea of a Queen Alien that lays eggs, similar to that of a bee hive. It adds more dynamics and makes it more interesting. An Alien that can cocoon a human and turn him/her into an egg makes no sense to me

OMG you totally did. Sorta.

Actually, it makes more sense than one alien bursting from a chest, to run around for awhile until the local lifeforms kill it. Then what? No more alien. How do you get the Queen? Would have to be a MASSIVE infestation, with 1 queen in every 100 eggs or so. But then who laid THOSE eggs? See my point?

it's the chicken and the egg scenario :)

and I believe Ripley posed the same question in Aliens. she mentions that Kane had seen thousands of these eggs on the Derelict Spacecraft and then asked who laid these eggs? So, logic would follow that the Queen in Aliens is the one that laid the eggs in the first Alien. But, did the so-called 'Queen' lay these eggs after it burst from the SJ's chest?

Someone else brought this idea about before too, and I like it. It gives the Alien more substance than just a killer. It's ensuring its' species survival by killing, not just killing for fun. And that also brings up the question if different species would create different kind of eggs and therefore different kinds of facehuggers.

very good points! I thought Aliens has nothing to do with Ridleys version of the story? Wasnt this all James Camerons idea?

I prefer the least logical answer. The alien acting like an ant or bee colony just simplifies things makes it more comprehensible in a human way. I'm not saying Cameron's idea is bad cuz it is very entertaining But the idea that the alien takes its prey and somehow changes them back into an egg creates a more "alien" life cycle (excuse the pun) It's different it's more foreign to our understanding. The scariest things in life are those we don't understand. No?

@MarcoBot1234 Totally agree!

A combination of both would not be a bad idea. I think that RS is gonna use the life cycle for the new creatures. I dont think we will get an answer for the xeno cycle except for what its already being said: RS liked the queen in aliens even if that wasnt what he would've come up with had he done Aliens.

This has actually come up a few times before. I can't believe how many threads I have read on this forum. Makes me feel old.

MarcoBot1234 I agree 100%! What made Alien so different from other Sci-Fi's of it's day was Giger's art. It was dark genius and very different from anything anyone else had produced. I find a creature that grows to epic proportions and turns humans into eggs in a day or so much more unworldly than insects. I can understand ants and bees. I can remember leaving the theater post Aliens thinking oh, OK, they're just bugs! After Alien, I left disturbed thinking, WTF was that? The scariest thing I'd ever seen, that's what! Something from another world, something Alien, doesn't have to fit into our natural world or make sense. I find the Scott/Giger concept FAR better.

I think in Prometheus the xenos will be made by the space jockeys or something and then they get loose wich is how it started with all the aliens and maeby the Yemen was dormant in alien and Kane didn't see it because it was in a difrent room and the xeno morphs brought the queen over to the colony in aliens but I haven't seen. The alien 3 so I don't know how the aliens got there

Sorry Yemen was a typo I ment o type the queen

Plan A: Establish a queen Plan B: Create eggs using human bodies to create a queen Plan C: Create a Predalien to pump eggs into preggers' mouths bypassing the entire egg/face-hugger stage j/k

I prefer the director cut deleted scenes. I hated Cameron's queen concept because it made their biology too predictable and controllable. Seriously if they are bugs, get out the raid and spray. But something like in Scott's deleted scene where the alien can transform you into and egg scares me. A lifeform that can adapt to procreate in such a way that scientists would just say "run away very fast" as a means of combating it. Plus it is just plain horrifying. that scene with Dallas who is begging to be killed as he slowly mutates in the egg. Pphpftft, bugs.

guys you all are counting in the queen alien and the life cycle that james cameron threw into the genre after alien 1. i believe that ridley scott had a total different idea towards how they were created and from what, i even remember reading somewhere an interview with ridley claiming he wanted to do the aliens movie but foxx decided not to. now years later i believe he wanted to show the different idea he had without queens, actually without any other part than his first one. but then lindeloff and foxx came back to him saying that would rather destroy the genre than keep it alive , since they need more viewers than just the hardcore fans. so they are creating a new movie lane in the world of alien. i do believe we hardcore fans will see touches, like the way the movie is shot. the music, the shock elements from alien. but i believe we will see a different creature or more than 1. we might see then a proto xeno and we might get 8 minutes tie towards the story but we might not and even when prometheus 2 comes out there is a gut feeling this is something just about the jockeys and engineers and that we will have 3 franchises from now on, the jockeys, the xenos and predators. although i still hate the person who merged those two storys together just to make more money, .......so don´t reckon ridley to consider either camerons or other ideas and might just want to scrap the whole thing , since he made the first movie it is his right to do so with the scriptwriter....enough said :-D

two different ships. two differnt time zones. i believe prometheus will highlight SJ tech. the tech is advanced biotech and will alter dna. as we have seen in the clips. the xenomorphs are a result of the biotech goo coming into contact with an already dangerous form of life that is not homosapien. This is setting up a seperate strand to the alien movies. RS has said as much in some of the featurettes. i rekon the xenos will be just as much a mystery after this film as after the alien movie. what life form did the goo alter? these discussions are all interesting. scotts gonna trow us a clanger. the only link between the new film and alien will be the sj.

WOA there! I started this thread to EXPLAIN perhaps a suitable connection, that doesn't violate any of the films and makes it all come together. Alien deleted scene, with the eggs- my point. Leading to more eggs as it kills- and eventually, a queen would NATURALLY be born, capable of laying eggs, and so help the growth faster. Just sayin. Oh, and BY THE WAY- I don't think any Queen laid the "thousands" of eggs Kane found- they were protected by the mist, yes? They were most likely GROWN, since remember its the FACEHUGGER inside the eggs. The Engineers most likely can mass produce THOSE, as I'm sure we may see something like that in this movie. But as for the hole in the Engineer's chest, and what came out- we can only speculate.

@colonelangus you prefer the Aliens to be Ants ?...more dynamic ? WHY?

Some of you are suggesting that the queen from aliens was the one who laid the eggs in alien? That has never been suggested. So how would it have gotten to Hadleys Hope? Much like in alien...a single face hugger was the culprit. Either the chestburster coming from Newt's father was a regular drone or it was a queen. I like combining the two ideas. I've always felt Newt's dad's chestburster was a drone. Like in alien it created a nest. Turned its next victim into an egg. I believe if the nostromo hadn't been destroyed and Ripley not frying Brett and Dallas, that eventually Brett's facehugger would have attached to Dallas. In turn Dallas' chestburster would have been a queen. To me makes the alien more adaptable.

Well the deleted Alien scene did touch upon a different way, but then it was not explained very much not even since the movie, it has just as many unanswered questions as the Derelict on LV426 etc.... Aparently the new creature (talking not one indigenous to LV 223 temple) but one thats created via a serries of events, is suposed to be simular to all of the creatures in Alien Franchise but as a combination.... it is also based off the Orginal Alien Script Star Beast... Not much more detail than that, but maybe it means this new creature is indeed part Xeno, Part Face Hugger....... etc Thus bypasses the Egg element and people changing into Eggs.

You could also explain the varying life-cycle behaviors through DNA programmed accelerated evolution. One of the characteristics of the Alien could be that as well as growing very fast upon post-gestational chest-birth the species itself evolves new reproductive abilities in response to varying environmental adversities thus making it an even-more perfect survivor. The Queen could in fact be one such evolution.

I said something sort of similar in another thread about don't link Prometheus and Alien to ALIENS. People continue to talk about the queen idea. The queen idea was James Cameron's NOT Ridley Scott's. We can see from Prometheus that Ridley is no way going down that line. Aliens was good film but Alien is Ridleys own and Aliens shouldn't be accounted for when going to see Prometheus when it comes out. Do people get were am coming from?