Does anybody think that the falling Juggernaught has somehow traveled back in ti
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super-massive black hole
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 7:57 PMHello all, just joined!
Does anybody think that the falling Juggernaught has somehow traveled back in time to crashland a million years in the past? A bit like The Terminator stories?]
Is it possible that the falling Juggernaught has somehow travelled back in time to a million years in its past and created its and that of the alien Xenos' own time-continuum? Or did it go back in time but jumps to another point in space and time and then ended up crash landing upon another world that ends up being LV-426 but still a million years in its past? It would explian the fossilization effect, the unleashing of the aliens across the galaxy partly and tie in the back story of the Space Jockies origins yet deepen the mystery still as to where they did really come from in the first place? (I think of the new Star Trek film with Spock and Nero battling across two time-contiuums)
Could the entire world of LV 223 be actually in a state of existing outside the space, time continuum and that would explain maybe in some ways how and why Vickers and Shaw are there running around while it is crashing down upon them. Could they some how end up on a world millions of years in the past and wouldnt that then erradicate any evidence by erosion and othermeans of their ever being there or existing in the first place when you fast forward to the present state of events in the Prometheus time line for Alien to then follow suit?
Could they both as well as the crashing ship have ended up on LV 426 after all, and that will be the twist at the end? Or one of the twists maybe?
Ridley Scott may not use it in his film but what if he does? Are you willing to accept that? He may use what I was thinking of as Single Point Travel where by these beings open up parallels from one "point" to another snapping the occupants in ships instantly from one said point to another. It is possible and if he does consider that as many of you seem to be reluctant towards, again, would you accept it?
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 7:59 PMIt is in fact possible but I do not think we are going to see it just playing the odds here.
Edit: I think knowing Ridley it's an idea that would have taken a long time for him to develop and we never heard him speak of such a thing. Also, I think because of this he would have relinquished such an idea as "too difficult to honestly do justice to" in the context of this film...and again, I am just guessing here, based on what i know of the man.

super-massive black hole
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:01 PMWhy? When time travel would solve a lot of questions and paradoxes but then at the same time open up a whole new set of worms.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:01 PMWill [url=http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tetryon]Tetryons[/url] be involved in any way, shape or form?

Ngranek
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:06 PMMy Space Tapir and I feel that, in general, time travel in Sci-Fi is just plain bullocks. Its like the easy way out. Except for some of those old 60's movies, where it kinda made you think for a minute...
We think that RS is immune to the charms of time travel, and will seek other, more dignified means of creative expression.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:12 PM@Ngranek
That's a really great thought, very deep and insightful, I agree!

Ngranek
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:18 PM@Spartacus - Thanks!
Also, and this may belong elsewhere, what if the suit mechanism in the chair that we see, essentially digitizes (or something) the wearer, and transorms them into the holograms (maybe they are not a "replay")? Probability = low, but thats the cool thing about movies like this (and this site)-gets you thinking about "what ifs".

allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:22 PMThis must be why the phrase, "Do not exceed recommended dosage", exists.

NCC 1701
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:29 PM
Hay just joined ...
I JUST READ THIS AFTER A BIG FATTY ,,,,,,
Pretty Cool , you got me thinking
Right on, Good thought!

Dave_b
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:36 PMMaybe we were simply raw materials for weapons production by the Engineers race, who are in a Millenial battle with another aggressive race of galactic invaders.

NCC 1701
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:42 PMRight On ,,Thats what l`m thinking ,,,,
Not tonight ,,, Its friday night ,,,l`m just reading tonight
Later Dude

Ngranek
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 8:43 PMRemoved this last one-sorry, got caught up in the moment. Space Tapir! Come back!
I've been ROFL for weeks after that one came up. EOM

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 9:01 PMncc1701 wrote..."tIRED OF bEER" ,,,?????
I've replaced it with Sangria Bro!

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 9:23 PMSUPER-MASSIVE BLACK HOLE...welcome to the forum...glad you're a part of this now......
please don't take this the wrong way, but in terms pf timetravel being a part of 'Prometheus'....I only have one thing to say....PLEEEAAAASSSEEEE GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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azalard
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 9:26 PMIt can't travel back in time, because it already used up all of its plutonium, and the Libyans stole the rest.

super-massive black hole
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 9:29 PMlol CraigMore! Okay, pouint heard.
Just one question for you though, why?
Just out of plain curiosity, why are you agaist time travel?
Been done maybe?

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 9:30 PMBut didn't Marty steal the deloria...I mean derelict before the Libyans could get it?

Ngranek
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 9:44 PMFor me, it brings back memories of Star Trek (4?) where they end up in Frisco with the whales. Really? But then again, there was that cool movie (for a kid) -forgot the name- where the intrepid explorers end up in a cave system with.. Troglodytes! (Taking over). They "fix" it all with the time machine back at the lab, and create the space time paradox. Got me thinking about it, but one realizes quickly that it will destroy the space-time continuum, and the universe with it! (or something...)

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 9:49 PMSUPER-MASSIVE BLACK HOLE...In all honesty my friend, time travel is one of the most over used ideas in Science Fiction....That alone is reason enough fore me wince at the thought....By all accounts, everything we hope here and everything we've seen, 'Prometheus', the return of Ridley Scott to 'Alien', ought to be far more special, too special for that kind of idea to have a place...That's my opinion....
In a more objective sense.....Ridely has always said that he was not a fan of science fiction, never understood it the way we, fans of the genre, would...That said, the man managed to direct two science fiction masterpieces as well as a science fiction themed commercial, the 1984 superbowl ad '1984' for Apple Computers, that is widely considered the 'Citizen Kane' of commercials....Now how does a man who does not understand science fiction create three prime examples of the genre, examples that define it in the modern era?
The answer lies in his directorial debut, the film that brought him to the attention of 'Alien's producers......'The Duellists'....a period piece that takes place during the Napoleonic Wars; a film considered to be a masterpiece in its own right.......The key here is Ridley's attention to detail and his visual genius......He insists upon realism in his films whereever possible and it ALWAYS shows......that is his focus, that a film he produces come across as real and feasible to his audience....that obsessive approach is what made his science fiction pieces so magnificent...The idea that the world you are stepping into is NOT a fantasy Ridley's asking you to suspend your disbelief for. It's a world as plausible, real, possible and natural as the one you experience outside your own door, yet in its own time, a future yet to be that is no more unbelievable than the history of our past as we've recorded it.....
..That's the genius of Ridley Scott and what I'm ultimately getting at is that time travel is an idea that, while theoretically possible, is not an idea that can yet pass the test of plausible realism...sure you can say, time travel exists in the world of this story, but the very thought of that feels about as far from what little realism can be established in a sci-fi piece as you can get.....it just feels wrong......

Ngranek
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 10:06 PMcraigamore - awesome post, clearly articulates exactly why time travel seems so sad in sci-fi genre
A gentleman and a scholar
now, if only my space tapir could get me a cold one...(god-I didn't think Id get burned out on that (ST) so fast! lol

Forever War
MemberOvomorphMay-18-2012 10:50 PMBill and Ted are just about the only ones i can accept travelling through time. They made it work.

azalard
MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 11:02 AMI think this derelict will travel back to 1985, and get demolished by a train on the train tracks.

azalard
MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 11:02 AMI think this derelict will travel back to 1985, and get demolished by a train on the train tracks.

super-massive black hole
MemberOvomorphMay-19-2012 11:13 AMWhat does a ship (Juggernaught - Derilict - Nostromo - Sulaco, etc.) do BUT travel through space and thus time! It is a pre-requisite to the laws of nature, it is a MUST and like it or not you have to obey, there is no way to avoid it due to our current understanding of the principles that is. And incidentally, are the Space Jockeys, the Bio Engineers or are they not in what appears to be giant hovering circular space ships near the water fall scene and in the Juggernaught and in the Derilict which some how got to that other world. Ask your selves the obvious and logical, the only question with out silly, childish commentaries that are just designed to be distrctions from the pain-stakingly obvious conclusion you are semingly unable, even unwilling to either grasp or accept: How on Earth or LV 426 did they all (Space Ships) get there in the FIRST PLACE!? Unless they flew. Or jumped or were built there first maybe. In either case, they have been subjected to the bounds and constraints of space and time travel whether you will want to accept it or not. What is the purpose of a space ship if not to take its occupants from A to B!! But to get to point B you thus have to leave point A and travel the distance in-between!!! Or get around it somehow. Otherwise, WHY BUILD THEM!!??
DUHHH!!!
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