Are we androids too?

markos_prometheus
MemberOvomorphMay 20, 2012950 Views15 RepliesSimply put , if we create androids like David at our image...that would mean that every intelligent race in the universe would at some point create some sort of android to their image.So are we the androids to the image of our creator?According to me not.Even if we possessed the biotechnology to produce a David,from the virals it is apparent that David knows he is different from humans.Maybe he thinks he is even better than us.If this deviational belief is integral to the creation of an android , did we think of that too,with regards to our creator?Would he now punish us for our arrogance to try to eat from the forbidden fruit of knowledge (the knowledge to create life_filmwise)?Intriguing...
May 20, 2012
Yes. Weyland made the same point in his TED video. The problem with this hierarchy is that "gods of gods" never ends. Singularity can't be achieved that way. So our creator is more or less like us but this is again assumption if we consider genetic tampering and panspermia as origin.
Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.
May 20, 2012
there are people who think they´re artificial, but these suffer of serious psychosis.
interesting, too: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion]Your text to link here...[/url]
May 20, 2012
This links to the Prometheus myth. Creating androids would be equivalent to giving/stealing fire. I find it kind of hard to believe that RS will let his story be tied down by old myths. Instead of having to follow the myths I guess RS rather uses his own creativity, and as we could see in the figure of Ash in Alien, he had fun showing a robot which seems to be useful for "bad" human activities.
So, to continue your questions, if now David would create some life, would we want to punish him? Instead we might modify our creation to perform better according to our rules. Well, for a creative being it might be a hell of punishment to have creativity taken away again.
May 20, 2012
flesh-like resemblance.
We would look and act like our Creator (~Human too).
So, if we were created: Humans=Androids.
"The Free Dictionary" on android:
"An automaton that is created from biological materials and resembles a human. Also called humanoid."
Basically human body is a machine, biological machine.
Same conclusion as before, if we were created: Humans=Androids.">Nice to see so many threads dealing with the basic questions:
What is God, and who are we?
Wikipedia on Androids:
"An android is a robot or synthetic organism designed to look and act like a human, and with a body having a flesh-like resemblance"
Therefore, if we humans indeed were created as image of something, that would mean [u]we are[/u] androids.
Our flesh and skin would resemble those of our creator -> flesh-like resemblance.
We would look and act like our Creator (~Human too).
So, if we were created: Humans=Androids.
"The Free Dictionary" on android:
"An automaton that is created from biological materials and resembles a human. Also called humanoid."
Basically human body is a machine, biological machine.
Same conclusion as before, if we were created: Humans=Androids.
EDIT:
I would like to add that all these things are play with definitions. Bottom line is that we are somewhat free-minded creatures with certain urges to certain activities (mostly reproduction and self-preservation). So in the end, only thing that matters is such a clichee as:
We are what we choose to be.
May 20, 2012
huh but since something artificial cannot be self aware is nothing more than a washmachine .... that is the difference ..is not the creator the difference , its not the flesh-metal skin the difference . To me is a bit absurd to think that AI can be self aware ( but of course is MY opinion ) , said that all the rest is just playing with terms and EVERYHTING can be functional to a sci fi story . And anyway there will be no answers in a sci fi movie huh .
May 20, 2012
@Frantz & Wirrn
Self-awarness is hard subject. Especially when it's the humans deciding the criteria of what it is to be self-aware. One common and really popular has been the "Mirror test". But many scientists have argued that it's a bad test, as many dogs don't pass the mirror test, but as much as I have been with dogs I definetly would say that they are self-aware.
How about dangerously obese people, are they self-aware when eating? Because 99% must have heard from somewhere that they are risking their lives doing that.
This may sounds far-fetched, but think about:
What it is to be a program, or artificial. I would say it is about following some logic/code which has been programmed in you, like:
Food - Good
No Food - Bad
-> resulting in actions: Eat all the food you can get (actually pretty good rule if there arent much food around)
So are the obese acting as if they are:
-Programmed to eat
-They completely freely choose to eat
-They know they shouldn't eat, but they still eat? (If this obese person is truly self-aware, he should be able to stop himself, this is how I see it atleast)
According to Bible, God created humans and gave them self-awareness. Nowhere it is mentioned that any animals would have been created self-aware, though many animals have been proven to be self-aware (chimps and delphins atleast). And still I see people follow their urges like machines.
And what about Clones. Sooner or later, someone will artificially clone a human being, and even add little changes to its DNA, maybe.
By definition that artificial can't be self-aware, this clone should be nothing more but a fleshy robot, and especially if the "soul" is gift from God.
What is the difference between Artificial and Living Human?
These are really hard subjects which interest many people and even scientist, some even dedicating their whole lives studying these. Ridley Scotts movie Blade Runner is basically about this same subject.
May 20, 2012
@everyone: I love your answers brothers!
They all offer a new point of view on the issue.
But maybe we should remember something I haven't posted in the initial discussion point...That we are supposed to be build not only to the image of our creator....
Us humans, or humanoids for this thread, are supposed to be unique, as we are also built with the additional ability to resemble fully our creator.
This is critically important, as we are the only beings on Earth's creation, blessed to be of the same essence with our creator, and the image which is supposed to be how we look like externally, which I believe is a far cry from the true image of our creator.....
Now, being of the same essence as an ability, is extremely important...If you make it and fulfill this ability, then you stop being what you were, as you enter the essence of "God" and share a direct communication with him as well as every gift and abilities and whatever else he would like to share with you....
I don't believe we would be as benevolent to a creation like David...
Of course, I don't want you to engage into religious stuff, I only write this with regard to the Prometheus script, as technically, such issues must have impacted the scenario.
Poor David, would never be of the same essence with us, his creators, as we are already ourselves far away from the essence of God.
Remember, we have the ability to be of the same essence with God, and the free will to go after it. It's not given.
So David, might resemble our essence so far, which would be the little true knowledge of ourselves and our arrogance and lack of humility.
Anyway, I remain pretty happy, as RS might give us a chance to contemplate on such issues and become more humble. Cause as he said:"Maybe I wanna show that some things better stay unexplained". You do the math!
May 20, 2012
@Wirrn:
I like your spirit man. RS told this, rather as a figure of speech. I believe if he had more time to elaborate on this, he would have said something different. I believe he is the man we think he is , to make a difference.
I also believe that after the movie has played out, he will be more free to reveal his true vision on the film as he already said, "it is impossible to talk about the script of Prometheus, without revealing key points of its story" something he dearly wanted to stray off....
May 20, 2012
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