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dsjohnson84
MemberOvomorphMay 21, 2012I just saw a tv spot during the most recent Saturday Night Live and I paused it when there was a new scene of what looks like Shaw repelling OUT of the alien ship (seemingly where those 3 central openings are) while the ship looks like it is parked flatly on the surface of the planet...
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Thoughts?
May 21, 2012
This is probably after the ship crashes.
They might also have scale the rock face to enter and rappel to get out of the temple.
May 21, 2012
i think this is when the juggernaut has crashed. They go back in to inspect the ship ect! i dont think the juggernaut crashes at the end of the film i think it crashes maybe mid way fro the film!
May 21, 2012
This clip certainly brings some questions to mind... Hmmmm.
BTW I took a picture of this paused moment but not sure how to upload as a link is required.
May 21, 2012
Yes looking at that scene, the Derelict does look like it has fallen over and now stands in a simular position to the one in Alien...
And i think thats the thing, thats what Lindelof has in store, i also bet that we see the Engineer get the Cuddles Mouth Love treatment and we will get no 100% of a dead Engineer i.e we wont see him blown to millions of peices.
This could then lead us to think..... erm.... i wonder if that really is the Derelict in Alien.... i wonder if that Engineer is the one from Alien.
Because this movie will end in a way that we cant rule out those.... but then it also means thats not the case, it will be Lindelof toying with us, playing with our minds...
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May 21, 2012
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May 21, 2012
i really think this movie is going to have a really strong alien tie in. I think just as you said bigdave in that scene we see the juggernaut haveing a strong resemblance to the derelict as in similar position stands slightly 60 degrees or so! In interviews Lindelof & RS keep hammering out this film is not a prequel i think thats lies! He did say that alot of questions will be answerd in prometheus regarding alien! So the big questions are whos the sj why is the derelict stranded on lv lv 246! how did the eggs get there they are basic answers we all want to know & this film has got to answer some of them?! Then take off on its own stand alone movie franchise leaveing questions of its own..
May 21, 2012
The ship looks pretty intact. Perhaps the damage isn't that severe? It looks like one hell of an explosion though. I can only assume that this scene is after it has crashed but who knows!? It could be a whole other ship (though doubtful).
May 21, 2012
You all mite jump on me here but i for 1 do not want to see a xenomorph in this movie! as i said explaining its origins would be enough for me! Im more interested in the spacejockys where the hell did this race come from, Did they make us. Or where they made but another GOD like race theres so much that can be done with the SJS. i grantee when we see this movie as much as we all love alien, we wont be talking about how canon PROMETHEUS is we will be talking about something new, A new alien race new questions. ALIEN is 33 years old we all need to move on, see this movie as a stand alone movie and if it dose have any reference to ALIEN just be glad that RS took the time to explain shit to the fanboys. also so questions are better unanswerd!
May 21, 2012
@seanb1888
I'm starting to believe that we are just being thrown through a loop. I think it's very possible that the ship in the movie IS the same ship in Alien, HOWEVER, the terrain is completely different and that is a detail that RS would not overlook.
May 21, 2012
maybe shaw some how flys a new ship n crash lands on lv 246 with cuddles onbored who knows! all i do know is from the new Lindelof interview he says alot of the alien questions will be answerd & some will not! Really could be that the only tie in to alien and prometheus is that wayland is in the movie less than 5 mins! if this is true i will be dissapointed. This film really dose have to reach out to the fanboys. Dosent necessarily have to be a facehugger chestbuster or even xenomorph or ending on lv 246. just explaining how the xenomorph was made and for what purposes would in my eyes satisfie most fanboys. Then finally we can let go of the xenomorph. and see a whole new world open up :)
May 21, 2012
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There could be more than one ship. As the trailers show the ground opens up as if some sort of hanger, There could be 10 ships down there maybe even hundreds who knows! What i will say as trailers go it really dose look like the promethes dose the juggernaut real damage in the air then the fall. So maybe with the prometheus days numbered and with no ship to get home. the last of the survivors try to some how use one of the sjs crafts to get home?
May 21, 2012
I dont think we would know for sure they are going to play Cluedo with us as far as thing that could link to Alien...
They are not going to explain or give anything that stands as concrete proof that Shaws Baby would turn into the Xenos Mother or Grandmother, but there will be no 100% proof so we can say.... oh well that rules out the Xeno comming from Shaws Baby.
Its like the Hologram and Ghost Engineer scenes, the Mural, the Dead Jockeys i doubt we get a clear answer apart from the obvious like "oh something must have killed them" "oh those Engineers must be running from something"
Is that connected to what killed them.... most likely
But we wont be able to say if its the Xeno, or something else.
So we would be left to wonder.... did the Xeno kill those Engineers in that Ghost Scene and Dead Boddies.... or does it come from Shaws Baby only not shown in this movie...
And we wont know, because we wont be told.... we would just be left to assume, like a lot of stuff in Lost did.
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May 21, 2012
@seanb1888
Just as you said there apears to be more than one Temple, which means more than one Derelict...
But we wont see the other Temples, we wont be shown them or whats in them apart from being able to make out simular shapes as the mound they actually visit.
This is why any potential Prometheus 2 could go anywhere in any direction, and even in directions not related to this time line or system.
This movie could end in a fassion and then we see a Prometheus 2 that does not even tie into the end of this movie, it could be set 1000 years before or even after Alien 3 we just dont know...
I do think that how well or poor this movie does, and the reaction from Alien Fanboys could play a massive role...
Because if this movie does not pull in as many as expected and a vast % who see it and buy it on DVD/Blu Ray apear to be Alien Fans and a fast amount of them are not happy at the lack of answers...
I think maybe that would force Ridley to answer them, if not then even Fox could go that route if they think a Prometheus 2 that pleases Fanboys where Prometheus does not, if that would make them more money then Fox would go for it.
But untill we see the movie we cant know the outcome and fallout of the movie.
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May 21, 2012
@seanb1888
A lot of stuff they say contradicts each other...
He has said there is no real direct link, but we may get some stuff that could give us clues or explain stuff but it would only be how we concieve these clues.
But before yes Ridley said the last 8 mins will tie into Alien, some interviews he said would link to Alien, some he says we will see a tie. Some he says we will see Alien DNA, some he says we will see DNA that we will be able to link as simular to Alien DNA.
So we just dont know, it depends on what they think is a link or not.... Weyland is a link, the Ship is a link. Just as Bruce Wayne and Batman and Joker are all links shared by Batman 1989 and The Dark Knight yet they are different stories.
They also did say that this is where the Mommy meets the Daddy, and also Lindelof did say this movie is about the Progenitor.... which both mean the Evolution or Predecessor.
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May 21, 2012
@bigdave
I think the tie in personalty is there to be seen alien DNA is all over this film
you have the android we have a crew investigating a new world there will be types of angry ass aliens just not a xenomorph. We have wayland in some part of the film. the urns resemble EGGS, we have some sort of facehugger but wer just not sure if it leaves a xenomorph of sorts in the host. Theres the derelict in its full glory flying ect. any real alien fan would just love all that, But i do agree RS has said the last 8mins or so will tie into alien, And yet we all dont know what it could be. the makeing of a proto xenomorph? shaw being the mommy and holloway the father on some way? or dose this film realy show how the sj ended up on lv 246 and show what really did come out of him! its anybuddys guess really
May 21, 2012
I dont think we will see a Face Hugger, a Xeno or maybe even a Egg in this movie...
Lindelof has said on two occations there will be no Xeno or Face Hugger and we wont see any Eggs on the Derelict.... he did not see we wont see Eggs full stop....
Its a hard one to say, from many reports we do see a Organism that we would be very familar with in this movie...
So far including Shaws Cuddles grown up we have not seen enough of that to fit in with the likeness of a Xeno.... The Murals look like it both of them.
Well Rapace did say her Baby goes on to take on 4 forms as the movie goes, so if thats the case Baby Squid and Tentcle Monster are only two of those.
Somone who claimed to had seen the movie in LA told me that the creature at the end is going to make every Alien fan happy and they will go wow, and described it as having traits from Shaws Baby and the Orginal 1979 Xeno, only with Tentcles and its basically simular function to a Face Hugger....
That makes me think of some kind of large Alien creature like Alien Queen that does not need to lay Eggs that contain facehuggers because it can do the Face Hugger part itself...
We shall have to wait and see i guess..
But i do assume that we will see a more closer resemblence of the final stage of this Evolution as being more closer to something like a Xeno, than the Squid that comes out of Shaws Belly.
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May 21, 2012
@BigDave
Very interesting post. Where does Rapace comment on her baby? I have never seen this info before.
May 21, 2012
@bigdave
The mural in my view is the big talking point there is no doubt that is a Xeno.
So if we go by logic they must have been already engineered. So shaws cuddles could not be a proto xeno?! It has to be something else something new that we havent seen and to go by the new trailers itis defo not something we have seen in the alien universe.
May 21, 2012
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O'Bannon Alien Concept.... face is pretty much as was descriped to me by somone else ages go end of March.. he said its head was like that of the Prawns of District 9 with 4 tentcles near mouth, and it had also 4 tentcles and two legs and arms...
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Here is Gigers concept....
Now if we put the head of the first onto Gigers, if the 4 tubes are turned into Tentcles and we tone down some of the Giger Xeno elements just as say how Baby Hueys from AR looked compared to Xeno and maybe thats what the final product could look like.
Here is another old concept... could be fan art.
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Oh if you look at the head and what apears to be arm in that first image concept for Alien.... then go look at the Mural with the Engineer and his creation and they look the same thing IMO
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May 21, 2012
intresting. As i have said though the mural clearly shows the xeno thats in aliens. So this species must already exist? Or is this mural a drawing bored of sorts of what they are about to make! Really is crazy if this was labeled a prequel we would have this story line cracked by now. I dont know if this is fox being smart or really RS is one step ahead of us all!