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iapetus

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Hi everyone! So I ended up editing and completing posts I have sent around to summarize what I believe forms the backbone of the film's plot. I sometime reference info found in the translation of the magazine I posted previously so you might want to have a look at it if you haven't. (thread [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/5835]**here**[/url] / download link [url=http://www.mediafire.com/?lzl1udwoizbj2dh]**here**[/url]) I am sorry it is quite long. Still, I hope you will read this and provide feedback! It is exciting, last moments for a passionate debate, very soon we will have all the answers! Ancient humans civilisations would not have been able to determine by themselves which star system visiting spaceships were coming from. This means interaction between humans and engineer(s) visiting regularly to teach us stuff and (at least one of them) telling us where they are from. We know engineers “seed humanoid life forms everywhere in the galaxy” (pdf p13). I think 2 explanations can be given - not mutually exclusives: --- First - considering the 'philosophical/metaphysical' perspective Ridley Scott wants to input and the themes that drive him, I think the engineers may use humanoid life forms as an 'operative proxy' to themselves, just like us creating and using androids. It seems our physiology is quite similar (pdf p11) so they would seed life and humanoid life forms on planets to make/ensure it's habitable, before moving in themselves. Just like we could do sending androids to build stations and terraform Mars to our specifications, that are quite similar to and implemented into the specifications of the androids. I think it makes sense considering R. Scott's obsessive recurring themes (human nature/soul/emotions/purpose - see Blade Runner and Alien saga androids). This would be quite an intriguing, massive 'Scott-ian' self-questioning to realise we are to the engineers only just an equivalent to our own androids. While we think so high of ourselves, convinced we are a purposeful creation with superior intelligence/moral/adaptability/consciousness/emotions (mostly compared to androids), we too are actually just a mock-up of a superior species. Engineers would not care enough to hatefully destroy any other competing-humanoid life form or consider humans a powerful arch-enemy, we are just one 'worker-species' that got a bit over-ambitious among 1000s of others. --- Second I think is interesting as it may link to an explanation for the giant head - I remember reading it somewhere that "the engineers are using their biotech-experiments to try and replicate a perfect being they worship” (reliable?). As 'creators of life' we may consider they are the apex life-forms in the universe and most probably they do not worship a 'god' themselves. Just like we humans worship a 'human-like-God' that is an idealised version of ourselves then, being 'superior versions of us', the engineers may just worship something quite close to themselves also, represented by the giant head. IMO they worship and try to recreate a mythical "first engineer", some idealised 'initial Adam engineer' version of themselves that they try to reproduce with their experiments, and the result are the unachieved humanoid life forms found in the galaxy (including us). Again, these 2 options are not mutually exclusives IMO. Based on all that, plus the Greek myth of Prometheus and what twitter-girl said, I think it's reasonable to believe that for some reason, one engineer actually started to have affection for 'Earth humanoids' and to come regularly to teach us stuff, including where they come from. Maybe some 'support to humanoid progress' is always part of the engineers' plans but not such boosts enabling us to reach an engineer homeworld/waystation. So, some sort of invitation indeed, just not from all engineers. Each of these visits would make our technology and knowledge progress, reaching a point we are not supposed to reach when we end up travelling to LV-223. I think it fits with Weyland Corp and the way it develops and discovers major technologies at such an incredibly fast rate, starting when he is 12. See PDF p10 "Engineers visited earth in the past and enabled us to progress. Every major evolution in human civilisation are linked to those visits" – can Weyland's lightning fast and unstoppable achievements/discoveries be considered a 'major evolution in human civilisation'? IMO Probably at some point he got in touch/found some source of alien technology, from which he derived his empire, his certainty of their existence and his obsession to go there. Getting there, we're playing with 'fire' (Prometheus) cause we are like androids willing to visit their factory and asking questions about why and how it works. We are not really even a dangerous 'competing creation' to engineers yet, no more than androids are to us. But we are ambiguous, annoying and out of our place, we are to the engineers just like androids are to us, and so the last engineer on LV-223 wants to put earthlings back in their place. So overall, I think our place relative to engineers and androids is a “pinocchio within the pinocchio” storyline. It might even get more interesting if the engineer 'likes' David8 for his 'perfect skills' (strength/logic) like the twitter-girl said. Hence, the engineer would fail at recognizing the value of what we base our superiority to androids on (emotions, moral etc) and that is really unfair, daddy!! and would create a weird unequal 'rock/paper/scissors' triangle: we think engineer>human>android ; the engineer thinks engineer>android>human ...now what does David8 think? haha
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Alain
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Drat... I guess you've uncovered cover-ups. Shouldn't have read your theory, for it seems absolutely legit. Maybe that is the reason why such an emphasis on David 8 was made during the promotional period. Look at him, because, in the end, you created him the same way we created you. 2 days to go before knowing you were right or you were wrong. But IMO, you are... absolutely right.... Drat....
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Well, i think this is "only" a movie - so lets enjoy it, in cinemas. Looking forward to that event for long years that the grandmaster Ridley Scott comes back home to sci-fi... For me, i had enough spoilers in all these threads and trailers, hoping i will still find something "surprizing" in the movie.
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If this is the case then this species is totally devoid of morality. Perhaps they once possessed it but became so powerful and arrogant that this philosophy was abandoned. Is this what RS means when he states them doing uncivilized things?
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Good thinking. Alas! David will have his head snapped by the Engineer. so... there goes the theory
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@RSAND yep, I would agree. However, it is your point of view of a human that they lack morality for treating us so. They created us for that and treat us like we treat the androids we created. Do we like morality for treating androids like that? IMO It might be the exact point R. Scott is trying to make and question us upon. Do we lack morals for how we treat eachother and other species, or anything we consider ourselves superior to? I also think this lack of moral would be very meaningfull, yes. In Greek and Norse mythology, gods are amoral beings (not to be confused with 'immoral'). So yes, I think that's what RS means when he states them doing uncivilized things. I also think it relates to the power of 'raw life' like found in the black-goo-blood and the 'raw-life-creatures' it gives birth to. Life doesn't have rules or follow morals, and it can turn pretty ugly mostly if you are looking at primal, pioneer organisms (I hope it doesn't show too much I am a palaeontologist here haha )
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@iapetus--very well thought out and laid out synopsis. I agree with a lot of what you have posted...the pinochio parts especially. I also think you are touching upon some larger theological themes such as the Judeo-Christian belief of man being created in God's image that will be tested even if indirectly to the overt story line. I think that what you have termed the "pinochio within the pinochio" theme is very central to this movie. How uprooting to find that we likened ourselves to the image of God but only were drones for a specific purpose...with our synthetic representations mirroring our own..great post!
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@David 1 Haha thx for the input... I am still not sure who rips David's head. Twitter-girl said it was a SJ-suit-rejuvenated Weyland, and her version holds pretty well (despite everyone claiming the contrary). Ok, admitting it is the engineer, anyway, it seems pretty clear that at some point, shit hits the fan so maybe it's just they are not friends with David all along... There are 2 more elements I did not include: --- Interesting discussion on this thread [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/5876]**here**[/url] about what happened to the engineers on LV-223. Summary of what I think: the holographs show 4 engineers in the control room and we see 3 'bursted' sarcophagi. So 3 get infected by what engineers were running away, then got better (a la Kane in 'Alien'). Everyone relax and they go in the sarcophagi. Then surprise, 3 cute belly-treasures that turn out to be the cobralien the Prometheus crew stumbles upon, and a single engineer alive. --- nothing to back that up except personal feeling: I think R. Scott's films almost always gravitate around 1 single strong character that may be surrounded by strong fellows but ends-up saving the day all by himself, against all odds, through some heroic act or painful sacrifice after laying completely bare. The main character's self-questioning and his final decision, the question of an individual empowering him/herself while defeated, all seem very central to the resolution of his films... Think Gladiator, Blade Runner, Ripley in panties getting in her spacesuit to face the alien (hmmm Ripley... panties...) In Prometheus, I do not see how anyone could survive given the events in 'Alien' but clearly to me, Shaw is the last one standing and solving this all on her own. Maybe fighting a strong, rejuvenated Weyland, which would avoid the predictable and Alien-like 'heroine vs monster/extraterrestrial' ending + having a deeper philosophical reach... @Giger's dream Thx a lot! appreciate the feedback and glad you liked what you read ^-
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HAHAHA!! ...not funny. alright, yeah, actually it is. But read my stuff buddy! Come on! You'll like it! Please! No? Why?! but...
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iapetus: I have to say I enjoy your take on it. Somewhat down to earth, the way I enjoy things. Congrats.
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Very well written friend! I enjoyed reading that and thinking for a few minutes-
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I think this fairly close to what is at the core of this film. So where does WJ and LSJ fit in? Is there a LSJ at all or is it WJ in all those pics? Or are there more than one Juggernaughts?
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thx David1, Davefried81 and DestinyCaptain for the compliments! was worried my english grammar and appeal for overly contorted sentences would combine into inextricable knots/misinterpretations. @DestinyCaptain ermm... missa dumb, don't know what WJ and LSJ are... missa muy muy sorry! hehe
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@iapetus, you have returned from an absence with a wonderful treatise. Take care.
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this is a twist on the theory i've come up with. Neat idea about one SJ "liking" us and showing some favortism. I was thinking it was more of an experiment that the SJ's weren't necessarily in full control of. When the humans show up to the planet their position is, "whoa, this group got way too advanced for our liking, so they've gotta go."
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@Sundar thank you, very nice of you saying that! Don't know if you checked the thread/pdf I link to here, but you might like it, interesting stuff I think. @BobaFett Nice that we arrived at those relatively similar takes. For the rest I think we lack too much elements to know what is what exactly between our 2 version, anyway. Interesting!
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@iapetus, just reviewed the thread/pdf. You may very well have pulled the curtain to the mystery. Plus your English lexicography is better than mine and I was born stateside. Take care.
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Hey Sundar! had fun fnishing that while I was doing fieldwork far from the interwebz. Glad you like it and thanks again for the kind words, I just keep trying to fake I am a native speaker haha Noticed something else that may support part of my synopsis. I did not pay much attention when the OST track list came out, but one of the track is actually called "Friend from the past" which could relate to the friendly engineer who helped us progress (if I recall right, I think there is always only 1 engineer figured among humans on the ancient bas-reliefs/hieroglyphs?) BugHunter told me the Twitter-girl spoilers were debunked, but this all seem to support her version quite well. Any link to the 'debunk-ery' ?
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@iapetus Great thread! Thanks for getting it started. I have a slight twist on the theories that I've read so far. I think the engineers are seeking to turn themselves into the genetically superior beings of the universe. If you look closely, the engineer that is awakened from stasis isn't wearing a suit. He's developed a sort of exoskeleton. Notice his toes when he's fighting cesarean squid. They are individual, yet fused together. He's also developed some sort of gills in his neck (which is why he is able to breathe during his trek from the ship to the life pod). IMHO The engineer at the beginning is an early generation of the beings (+35,000 years ago). He had a closer resemblance to humans because his genetic code is what created Earth's version of their species. Fast forward to the time of movie and the engineers have had thousands of years to evolve. Basically, I think they populate suitable planets with their genetic code. At some point, they return with a genetic 8-ball (black goo) and watch what happens. If they find a mutation that is beneficial to perfecting their genetic code, they steal it and incorporate it into their species. The end game turns out to be the 'Alien', which is referenced in other Alien films as being a genetic masterpiece. Note: I am knowingly creating this thesis with the understanding that the engineers didn't necessarily intend to turn themselves into 'Aliens'. The alien just so happens to be the next step in genetic perfection.

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