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Juxtapose
MemberOvomorphMay 28, 20122567 Views52 Replieshttp://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43724.0
....is it for real?!!...based on some french pre-screening?......do you think these people really saw the movie?
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CyberdeathMay 28, 2012
anyone could have written these vague reviews about anything. doesn't reveal anything which makes me think fake.

DrakeequationMay 28, 2012
It sounds like some were upset that the link to Alien is very Vague and limited in scope, just as I suspected. The mixed reviews are to be expected though, if the movie was pure genius or pure crap it would have mixed reviews. Only films that are intellectually watered down for mass appeal like The Dark Knight or The Avengers can get mostly positive reviews from everyone. Still, I knew that the Alien connection might be tenuous at best, since Scott probably only threw it in because the Fox marketing execs demanded it when he was securing his funding. In interviews he would always try to shy away from the Alien questions and state that this is a new thing that he was trying to do. The Space Jockey is what stuck in his mind after Alien, he probably didn't want anything to do with the Xenomorphs after so many directors had taken their shot with the creature.

JuxtaposeMay 28, 2012
it really is extremely polarized....for every positive their is a negative....no actual reviews....just these very odd translated ambiguous one liners?...like if you had to sum up the movie in one or 2 sentences.....but i dunno if it's just someone playing the fool either....did this screening really happen?


DrakeequationMay 28, 2012
I think we should accept the fact that if Prometheus lives up to our standards then it will have many negative reviews. If it isn't padded down with fun action or Michael Bay-esque elements (cheesy dialogue, hot chicks being sexy for no reason, one liners etc...), then many people will hate it (just as many people hate Blade Runner and the original Alien).

CypherMay 28, 2012
Until we hear from Frantz, I don't believe anything like this. Those guys have been proven wrong in the past, especially with Twitter Twit and Mr I-Saw-It-Because-I-Responded-To-#areyouseeingthis-Via-Facebroke shenanigans.
Grab your brooms people :-D
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BigDaveMay 28, 2012
Well it kind of concurs with what two people had told me, one of them who posted on here.
One never saw any real Alien link, but said Shaws Baby is simular but then different and the end is kind of open and has a vague link to Alien.
This person said the movie has a lot of unanswered questions and fails to answer those from Alien.
The second person says their are a few subtile links to Alien that just help with assumptions and so no real answers, they said that Shaws Baby can be considered simular to a Face Hugger and that at the end we will see something that we may be able to draw some connection with the 1979 Alien but it would look different.
They also said that while the odd very vague hint is given about what may have lead to Alien, it raises more questions and that the movie leaves even more unanswered questions regarding Prometheus than Alien did with Space Jockey.
Seems pretty much the movie has the fingerprints of Lindelofs style and work written all over it....
Seems its more Blade Runner, meets Lost in Space (talking about JJ Abrahams one) than any link to Alien....
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ShaneMay 28, 2012
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they held back the last 8 minutes till the north american debut?
Note: I have always said I don't want it to super tie into "Alien". I just think it would be funny to withhold the last 8 minutes from people since they get the movie a week early.
Yes, I am jealous and bitter.

CypherMay 28, 2012
If there is a goddamn "smoke monster" or LOST style crap in this I will sooooooo be leaving a paper bag full of Cypher-processed bacon on Lindelof's front doorstep -_- I knew having him near this was a bad idea from the get-go
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CypherMay 28, 2012
John, there is a policy here to not link to Prometheus-Forum.net and we have been told to delete any posts re-directing anyone there. So I won't be looking at anything there. Until I hear from our member Frantz, I trust him to let us know when he's seen it, I'm not putting any trust in any of this.
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BotswanaFanMay 28, 2012
I think it was interesting (and brave) that Scott has let the hardest critics in the world see this film first. He knows that no subsequent reviews will be as harsh. That said, nothing I have seen of the French reviews concerns me unduly - for example, the cardboard secondary characters accusation could equally be levelled at Alien. I mean, come on, did any of those characters have any other purpose than being Xeno-fodder? The review I will look for is Peter Bradshaw in the Guardian, whose reviews are generally extremely reliable. And if this film leaves more questions than answers - hey, I'm cool with that.

DutchMay 28, 2012
SOUNDS LIKE LE HORSESHIT FROM HERE AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO PULL TRAFFIC OVER TO ANOTHER SITE. HELLO? CON JOB IS THAT YOU? WELCOME DUMMIES TO THE SITE THAT HAS NO LINK TO FOX LIKE PROMETHEUS.COM DOES.
JEALOUS

BigDaveMay 28, 2012
I guess the good thing about critics and fans unhappyness is this...
Fox could ask Ridley in a Sequel to clear up any questions if thats what fans not happy about and if most criticism is aimed at Lindelofs style and disapointment in how the movie went from Ridley and Spaits draft to basically sounds like Lindelof's i.e near enough next to no explanation or connection to Alien...
Then Fox could ask Ridley to fix those in a new movie, if Fox feels that he movie has potential for sequel if it fixes the things that people have criticised about but Ridley wont change the plot and wants Lindelof on a Sequel i guess there is nothing stopping Fox saying on your bike and get say John Carpenter or Cameron on board.
I had concerns with Lindelof, i have never been a fan of his style.
In two interviews he basically said he is a big fan of leaving unanswered questions with more questions, and he does not seem to bothered if he changes a movie to suit what ever he wants and dont care if they dont do that well.
The guy is Filmmaking Cancer......
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ShaneMay 28, 2012
I love how everyone blames Lindelof if it is bad, dude can't win no matter what. [keep in mind I hate lost].
It isn't like Ridley Scott hasn't made a number of duds. In my eyes he is "Alien" and "Blade Runner" to, well, everything else he has made.
Anyway, I haven't seen it. And judging from the reactions i am starting to question more and more if they are showing the last 8 minutes. Said it above and I am saying it again. I get the feeling they might not be....why not keep it hidden as much as you can. Just a couple of the tweets implied to me they might not be showing it.
ShaneMay 28, 2012
@BigDave
Do you really think John Carpenter can save anything? I love him but since "Vampires" it has all been complete crap. He's done, tapped and out of ideas.
Cameron's name attached to anything is death for me. I will never see it unless I know he is losing money off me watching it.

John D.May 28, 2012
Why would they show film critics everything but the last 8 minutes of a film, though?

CypherMay 28, 2012
No problem John, just don't put links up to that site and you'll be gold. Also, I'd run a virus scan on your computer after visiting that site, it allegedly has Trojans embedded. Just FYI
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DrakeequationMay 28, 2012
I find it funny that people think that critics giving a movie negative reviews means they didn't see the entire movie. Confirmation bias at its best. lol
ShaneMay 28, 2012
keep it from the internet till the USA release.
What is more important, keeping the last 8 minutes hidden from the internet or some critic reactions? From where i stand, and from how I and those I interact with, keeping it off the internet is more important then anything else. A leak saying it wasn't very good, or a cam with that ending before a north american debut? That can cost millions in revenue.
Look at Wolverine Origins. I am sure that cost fox a fair bit (and saved a lot of people some money)
BotswanaFanMay 28, 2012
I have just seen the extended Theron V Fassbender clip from Ellen. That has got be more excited than anything I have seen so far. If their performances alone are as consistently good as that one clip - which frightened the life out of me - I will be very happy indeed
ShaneMay 28, 2012
@drake...
Read a few of them. Some have said the derelict crashing is at the very end, which is counter to a lot of other information on the trailer editing and the such.
And it isn't the negative reviews, it is the ties to alien. I am putting together ideas from tweets that conflict with other information. I am putting ideas together from information we have.

Star Beast of CthulhuMay 28, 2012
I think the lack of a plot synopsis being leaked and subsequently banned is an obvious indication that no one has seen the film. Plus, who really believes such ambiguous reviews as "Oh, Prometheus sucked, can't tell you why other than Ridley Scott lost it".
These are obviously fake.

BigDaveMay 28, 2012
Oh well on the plus side......
Maybe some of those critics was expecting too much of a Alien link and explantion.... if that turns out to be the main problem well Ridley would have the chance to adress it as such.
If the main problem is the ambiguous nature of Lindelofs writting well, they could adress that in a sequel by getting shut of him.
The main thing is, if we are preparing this movie for a Disapointment then maybe it could actually suprise us and be good, maybe we all need to just ignore this movie being any link to Alien.
I think what is going to disapoint us is the kind of BS we may have been given, Ridleys interviews where he keeps mentioning why he want back to do a Prequel to Alien, that then changed to being not so. How he mentions the Derelict and its Cargo in some interviews.
How he and Lindelof said the movie is about Progentitor and how Mommy meets Daddy and how we will see Alien DNA and that so called last 8 mins......
Its these things that surely lead us with higher hopes...
Well Lindelof said that the movie had high hopes and he came in and lowered the bar, as that way you lower expectations and thus disapointment.
Maybe that should have set off alarm bells....
Right now i am intrigued to see just how much this movie will disapoint...
Ridley has given us clues to the Xeno Orgins Vaguely but he did tell us the purpose of them and the Derelict, and why it landed on LV 426.
And i think it would be simular to say Resident Evil, I am Legend.... in that they was a creation that never went to plan....
Bit like our Goverments go to create a Super Soldier like Universal Soldier and instead we get Zombie Soldiers that can then infect others and change them into Zombies...... THIS WAS THE PURPOSE FOR THE XENO AND HOW IT NEVER WENT TO PLAN.
The Space Jockey then must have contained their creation on one ship and indended to use it to wipe out some planet, but the creation got lose.
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NoXWordMay 28, 2012
@Shane
some time ago, somebody on this forum brilliantly pointed out that if Prometheus is good then it will be Scott's merit, while if it's bad it's going to be Lindelof's fault.
We're just starting to see it happen.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

John D.May 28, 2012
Here's a link to one of the actual French film critics' websites, with the Prometheus review.
[url]http://www.ecranlarge.com/movie_review-read-24513-157891.php[/url]
I think Spartacus is going to put up a translation of it, the Google translate version isn't all that coherent.
ShaneMay 28, 2012
Yeah see, at this point it is just as likely to me Ridley's fault if it does suck. I have faith still since he has made 2 of the best scifi movies of all time.
Just the entire rest of his output is completely unenjoyable to me. I'm just not into the movies he generally makes.
This is Ridley's kid. He told Lindelof what he wanted in it and what he didn't like about the previous script. Lindelof was probably just doing what he was told and will be the fall guy for following orders.
ShaneMay 28, 2012
@bigdave again
I get the hating prequels thing. I hate them as well. Nothing directly leads into one event beyond minor things. The more you bind things together the more unreal it seems. Too much and it gets to be the Star Wars prequels which tried to tie every loose end up in bows and failed miserably because it was just too fucking silly. Millions of minor events lead to a single event.
If you direct it too much it seems unrealistic. If it is all humanities fault it is even sillier as it just reeks of human ego all over. I can see many reasons to avoid direct prequels.
Maybe a simpler way: You are more liked to destroy alien with a bad prequel then you are to make it a better film. distance yourself. Cause in a lot of people eyes Lucus destroyed the original trilogy for them. He totally killed it for me.
centrosphereMay 28, 2012
I really don´t get all this talk about "Prometheus" failure to "give answers".
We should just remember that we are asking for answers to questions rised by "Alien"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That, of course, weren´t answered in that film. The space jockey.
It was more or less clear from the beggining, and still more after we heard about Scott´s desire to have sequels to Prometheus, that this movie would have it´s load of unanswered questions also. Unanswered questions provide story space for sequels.
So, Prometheus could well be crap after all, but not for "not providing answers", I think.

BigDaveMay 28, 2012
I dont know from two interviews i saw, Lindelof came across that he changed a lot of Ridleys mind...
He then joked he did the same with Cowboys and Aliens script and while the movie sucked.... he then said something like he does not care if the movie flops, as long as when he dies on his head stone it will say that he played a part in Ridleys first venture into Sci Fi for over 30 years, rather than him have nothing to do with it at all.
The guys comes across as selfish and argogant in that he would be prepared to make changes to a movie to suit what he wants and does not have much of a care for what others may think.
The common theme he came across with was that he does not like Prequels because you know what comes after the end, and he is a massive fan of ambiguous aproach and prefers movies to have no real ending and leave open questions that no two people will gain the same answers from.
Seems this movie could have been tonned down from Alien Prequel but instead its got lashings of Lost style ambiguity.
This is maybe Shaws Baby at the end...
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ShaneMay 28, 2012
"The Mist" was so disappointing as a film. As a novella it was fantastic. One of my favourite horror stories. So simple and so awesome.
@burns
They look like rock formations to me. I am on a computer with a pretty tiny screen [11" laptop"] so I actually had to google it. I miss my 26" moniter at home:(
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NoXWordMay 28, 2012
No, that screencap is definitely from Prometheus, see how the trees and electicity poles in the background match those on LV223!
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

John D.May 28, 2012
LOL!
And for the record, that monster was huge in the movie but it was STILL too small.
In the original novella "The Mist" the damned thing was supposed to be so incredibly enormous that all they could see of it was its legs, like massive columns jutting up into the sky, so tall that the rest of the creature's body was hidden in the mists above.

RubirosaMay 28, 2012
Have faith people! None of us have seen the film yet. Still, I have a strong feeling that the film will satisfy us, while answering some questions.

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