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MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:11 AMI've done a shitty drawing showing the creatures lifecyle and development as they appear in the movie. Huge spoilers ahead obviously.
***SPOILERS***
Just check the image.
[img]http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/993/1338390444825.jpg[/img]
I can answer any question if necessary.
Cheers
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Mostly
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:17 AMI am still trying to decide if that picture is something my 6 year old could do...or a masterpiece that should be framed.
By the way, How does Ford die, and why do we not see her and the mecs body in the picture that is posted showing the SJ booting up the ship?

MAJ
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:18 AMAwesome drawing. I think I understand the movie now. Which is ok by me, as I probably would not understand everything even after I saw it. I'm glad they have a link to the xenomorph, as that was important for me to be in the plot.
Thank you for your artistic analysis of the film.

Chris
AdminEngineerMay-30-2012 10:20 AMThankfully you're not a good artist! Hahahaha XD (jk) This didn't ruin my perception of the creature but does give good insight! Looks like the mysterious "Alien Life Cycle" was not changed "too" much.
I tried seeing if Fox had any unseen stills of the new creatures, but unfortunately they did not. Regardless I think we can expect some conept art to pop up some time after release which will shed some more light on this.
Thanks for taking the time to draw this up and share! I will be sure to contribute this conversation a lot more tomorrow night! ; )

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteMay-30-2012 10:28 AM@ Blood - What do you mean by proto-alien... PM me as in depth a description as you can.

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:29 AMAhahah I know! But to my defense, this was done on a tablet with little time. :P
Spoilers ahead...
Still, I don't understand what is the link between the alien statue in the ship and the final alien. They obviously knew that the goo could create a xenomorph, but I don't see why it takes so much steps to get there. It feels like its creation was an accident of Shaw sleeping with Holloway, but at the same time there's the statue/mural...
And if this goo was used as a weapon on earth for example, everyone would have turned crazy, so no xeno.
And it's also strange that the engineer crew was killed by things that came out of them. So maybe the creatures have not ONE lifecycle that can be described, but only adapt with the environment they are in and the creature they become in contact with. Hence engineers make appear xenos, if impregnated in the womb it creates something else. Then again, the crazy guys were just that, crazy, as if a parasite took control of their,brains without coming out of them.

Lone
MemberPraetorianMay-30-2012 10:38 AMOh my Goooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaad........so happy I could cry!
I was hoping we'd get a glimpse of some form of adult Proto Alien!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Blood you've made my day!
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

iapetus
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:46 AMhaha nice post, Blood!
Good thing to have people's curiosity fed and blow on the embers, while not actually revealing *that* much info about the plot that wasn't already around...
only, one question, is it deliberate that you did not mention include the Space-Tapir? I think the guys here will be made when they see you kept his life-cycle to yourself!

Mr.J
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 10:50 AMSo, Blood, this Proto-Alien, shares the similar characteristics as Kane's in Alien, just not as defining? You can PM to keep this spoiler on the down low. Many Thanks!

Juxtapose
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:11 AMOh please ...please can someone repost those drawings!!....I can't see imageshack stuff...for some weird reason...(and many retries) I have never been able to register on that site!
...would be very much appreciated!

Ripley McPreviouscharacter
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:12 AMThird time I've tried to post a message, which is supposed to be a charm, here's hoping it werks. *crosses fingers*
First off, thank you, and I love you. I want to have your proto-xenomorph babies. This is EXACTLY what I was expecting: a new monster in and of itself with the capability to hybridize in... various ways, and that xenomorphs are just the tip of the iceberg, and there's so many other things this black goo can make.
Second, as to you being able to answer any questions... omg tell me everything about it <3. Seriously, I'm not going to see a monster movie because I'm interested in Ridley flunking history class.
So... what does the final stage of the "liver-burster" (you know, cuddles) look like? Okay, it's tentacles, but what else? wikipedia says it looks like a squid. Is it like a mini-Cthulhu? A blob of tendrils (mini-Lloigor :P)?
And what about the proto-guy? How is it different from from a human-spawned adult alien? Is it effectively the Jockey alien I've been waiting for since I saw Alien for the first time?
Help a brother out, I'm officially psyched now.
Edit: I don't know much about image hosting. I downloaded it, can you PM images?

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:27 AMAnother version, again MAJOR SPOILERS, ALSO MAYBE SPOILERS ABOUT THE PLOT (if you think about it)
[img]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4813/1338395171296.jpg[/img]

Ripley McPreviouscharacter
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:44 AM:D
Wonderful! And your doodles are so freakin' cute.
Am I to infer that the proto-alien doesn't have arms? Or was that a stylistic choice? :P
That big blob in the middle is intriguing. Failure to properly capture it's form in the infallible medium of MS paint... so, it's just a shoggoth expy, isn't it?
What's that green deal after the... oh, are those the sleep/pod/freeze/things? Whatever they're called?

Mostly
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 11:53 AMThe last Version confirms it.... these are masterpieces that you should frame and sell. I will start the bidding, 25$

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:17 PMIt's done on my ipad lol.
The squid/bodyhugger is depicted a little shapeless, or that's what I saw. It's a huge pile of tentacles, small and big. The protoalien looks like a xeno, tail and all.

NixtonV
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:17 PMThis is exactly what I wanted to see out of this film. It ties in to the original idea while keeping a completely unique system to itself. Thank you for posting this, I'm extra encouraged to see this movie now... or, more so than I already was. xD

Ripley McPreviouscharacter
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:19 PMYou don't say?
...what's the "proto" part, then? :/

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:22 PMThe green things are the ampules.
From what I understood, I don't think there is much sense in trying to understand too much of the cycle of creatures. Maybe Scott thought about it all, maybe he didn't. The point is that this goo can change to many things, and there are some recursive elements and "body parts" that regularly appear : the acid blood, the mouth shape...

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:27 PMthe proto description
SPOILERSSSSS
his skin seems smoother, opaque, wet yet not dripping and a lot more organic, like black flesh (I'm going to see it again tonight to be sure), not some kind of platic/metal.
His mouth has gums coming out like a white shark, and not like usual xenos. And his gums are red, as if there's blood in him.
His head is also smoother, with a pointy end.

o_o
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:32 PMHello !
I did a (really) long text explaining how I did understand alien life cycle etc and why the drawing is wrong, but I lostd it trying to post, and I am too lazy to rewrite it.
So I make a new drawing :
[img]http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1338398915.jpg[/img]
Let me know if you have questions, also I used the same drawing style as Blood to not confuse readers.

o_o
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:34 PMHere's the non thumbnailed version of the drawing :
http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1338398915.jpg

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:41 PMAh yes, you used the same style as mine, it's not that you don't know how to draw either ahahah :)
NEW SPOILERS
I'm not sure about the Fifield version. I think that him and halloway had the same thing. He just fell in the goo. We saw what the cobras did to Millburn and he was just dead.
I agree with the rest of course. But all that doesn't explain what creature was attacking the engineers in their ship. The corpses had holes in them. Was it xenos? Or cobraliens? What were they running from? What that decapitated head had inside?

Ripley McPreviouscharacter
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:45 PMRegularly appear in the goo? So, like, the goo itself is the Shoggoth? Or Cuddles?
And then... if... wow, my brain is going to explode. Just the concept of xenomorphs being directly related to a Shoggoth is like... those are two of my favorite monsters. Like, if you found out King Ghidorah is the direct ancestor of Vermithrax Pejorative. You know, from Dragonslayer. (it's okay if you don't)
Just a quick thing: have you read At the Mountains of Madness? Because you're using almost the exact same descriptive tropes. Rudimentary organs that form and subsume and such. I might also be thinking of Seven Geases by Clark Ashton Smith where Abhoth shows up (which is awesome, I can't recommend CAS enough). Abhoth has the added bonus of eating itse-tangent.
Thank you so much for all your info. It is greatly appreciated. :)

something
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:46 PM@Blood
@iapetus
Hey guys, just 4 questions (I think we would be all thankful if you could answer them):
1. Is the wiki synopsis correct on the whole?
2. If yes, are there any details there that are fake (like the Engineer beating Weyland to death with David's severted head)?
3. Again, if the synopsis is correct on the whole, are there still any details which were left out?
4. If yes, are these details substantial to the plot / basic understanding of what's happening?

Keeler
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 12:59 PMThis thread now has my full attention. I'm really enjoying these drawings. I read the wiki-plot but am confused about the Engineer and Shaw-squiddy. It impregnates him and a proto-alien is birthed. Do they reveal what happens to the Squiddy afterwards? Does it die like a facehugger? It's safe to assume the Engineer dies I guess.

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 1:01 PMWell, your shoggg..thing and proto are related. And no I didn't read any of those...sorry :/
1 yes
2 you shouldn't have read that, it's symbolically very funny if you think about it
3 In the current plot on wikipedia there's nothing about 2 so I don't know which one you read
4 there is one thing that nobody has talked about which in my opinion is important, and it has to do with the storm.

Blood
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 1:05 PMThe squid is nowhere to be seen afterwards so... anything could be.
I'm pretty sure he dies. Where the proto goes after that is a mystery.

something
MemberOvomorphMay-30-2012 1:11 PM@Blood
Thank you for answering!
@Blood
@iapetus
One more request, could you please confirm that:
1. We don't know why the sacrificial Engineer disintegrated and what was the point of that (was it a punishment, or a real sacrifice, etc?).
2. We don't know why the Jockeys were bent on eradicating life on earth.
3. We don't know why they visited us in the past.
4. We don't know why they left us a star map showing the way to a military installation that would later be used for creating the bioshit to destroy us.
5. We don't know exactly what happened to them (just that something went wrong with their bioweapons akin to the original movie).
6. We don't know why the last Engineer killed David.
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