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centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 5:20 AMDudes,
I have not seen Prometheus yet since it will start later in my country, but the plot is already at large and the mistery is over.
So this is time to start wondering about the possible Prometheus 2 plot.
[for the start, maybe not "Prometheus 2" since Prometheus is no more]
The truth is that the Engineer´s society is advanced, but is not "rational" as we are used to think of advanced alien civilizations. And that´s ok to me; here on Earth people used advanced airliners to crush a mighty skyscraper in the name of their religion (well the story is a little bit more complicated but let´s go over it).
For some reason the xeno thing seems to be sacred to them.
I think this have some implications in why and how they intended to exterminate mankind two thousand years ago.
To me it´s clear they don´t want exterminate us for something we did. I believe that the only way this story could go is: they created us to be destroyed. And in this process, be the vessels to the xeno´s birth. That´s why we have the SJ DNA but are not SJ´s; we are a "cattle" version of the SJ´s.
The problem to the SJ´s is that something went terribly wrong and they where decimated. I believe that what Shaw will find at the SJ´s homeworld will be the ruins of their civilization _ otherwise, other SJ´s ships would already have visited Earth with their dangerous cargo.
A last mad and maniacal tought: it´s said that Shaw radiocarboned the SJ corpses and found that they where 2000 years old. This means that the SJ ship would bring doom to Earth by Christ´s time. Is it a coincidence that the xeno at the mural seems cruxificated? I´m lost at this and really can´t see how to develop this link, but don´t think this is unintentional...
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centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 5:23 AMThis could also explain the Engineer´s wrath at seeing earthlings: what would you think if you were wakened from your sleep by a race of intelligent pigs or chickens that ask for your technology?
Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 5:28 AMI think it's more like being awakened by rats that you were trying to exterminate.
ShinobiX9X
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 5:33 AMi really think alien is not important in that movie
the engineers are and david
Sky
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 6:22 AMI don't agree with your view on engineers not being rational. I mean would you care about labrats in same empathy? Look it's the most obvious view for any person with interest in science that scientists has always spare labrats. There is no such thing like love and empathy when you get ability to replicate the species. So why expect rationality? Humans are not rational either.
I think RS said about sequel for the sake of it. You need far more imagination for the sequel, like standing up against or in front of intelligent species to convince, which is FAIL IMO because noomi is playing on faith, not reason. So don't expect sequel anytime soon. Not in next 10 years atleast.
Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.
ShinobiX9X
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 7:39 AMWe know nothing about them, not what they do, what they want etc.
how far do they venture in space? how fast do they travel?
we know they have little horseshoes and big saucers
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 10:08 AM@Drakeequation
I beg to differ. We are not rats in the sense that we are not a plague, we were created by the engineers to be consumed in some kind of sacrificial role, it´s this. Like the proverbial lamb...
@ShinobiX9X
I´m not talking about "Prometheus", but "Prometheus 2"...the sequel.
@Sky,
I´m not saying that the Engineers are not rational because they don´t empathise with us, I say that because notwithstanding all their advanced technology they seemingly put it at service of their rituals. This is a departure of old-school sci-fy, that is considerably more "modernist" than this. In this sense "Prometheus" universe is a "post-modern" one.
Also, I think you´re playing the wrong rationality in your evaluation of the probability of a sequel. It has nothing to do with the story, but with the money. If Prometheus becomes a hit, and largely profitable, even the Gods themselves cant stop Fox of doing sequels.
NoXWord
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 10:23 AMSince we live in an era of sequels, prequel and reboots, Prometheus is groundbreaking, as it is a prequel-non-prequel, and might be the beginning of a new trend.
SO I don't think there will be a direct sequel to Prometheus, but rather something in the same universe, that possibly takes place some 15 years after P and 15 years before A and goes in a new, different direction. And its title would be totally unrelated. Acutally, the title might be axactly "Totally Unrelated"!
The non-prequel trend has much more potential, imo.
Think about it:
Funny Days of Summer - the funny account of a beautiful summer spent in the countryside by a group of young girlfriends who will turn out to be the grand-mothers of the Avengers.
Love comes first - the tearful story of two young lovers, framed in a gloomy New York. Those two youngsters will be the neighbours of Ripley's grand-grand-parents.
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 10:55 AM@NoxWorld,
Interesting, but I really think that Prometheus is more of a reboot.
If you think of it, Alien, for example, ends in complete peace with itself. It´s a whole self-containing story.
In Prometheus the heroine left in an hurry to meet our makers and to know why they seemingly hate us. Given a cliffhanger of this size, whathever the name of the new movie it has to address what happens with Shaw (and David´s head).
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PS: sorry pal, now I see you´re being ironic. : )
DAVIS
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 11:25 AMTo make story short. Jesus as we know is call Xenomorph in present time.
Why you guys praying to Xeno?
Sky
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 1:00 PMI do understand that some of their technologies do look odd but that sounds obvious considering older civilizations were just like them.
As for sequel, I guess then if RS has good story then sure. If it is made for the sake of commerce then we have AVP, AVPR and who knows AVP vs Batman and what not. But if they want masterpiece, their story is ended right there in prometheus. Some stories are better not to be told for the sake of it, or else we lose the interest in mystery. I mean technically if connected with prometheus, we have got most of the answers except, why they want to kill something they created at first place and for what reason they need to do such experiments or who are they?
I don't expect answers to such questions, it is afterall movie and sometimes sweet imagination has it's limit.
Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 1:56 PM@Sky,
I understand your point of view.
But I politely disagree. See, "Prometheus" was made for the sake of materialize the grand vision of Scott about who where the Engineers. what else could he do now besides go to the bitter end with Shaw to discover their motivation in creating us? Anything else would be received with contempt by the fan base in my opinion.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 2:08 PMGreat OP man just great...for what it's worth thank you for just making that kind of effort to seriously tackle issues for a Part 2!
I thought the very same thing to today, that is, what would be most likely, and the ONLY thing, based on what I guess we have all seen and READ now {Damn That Fact..."O.K". spoken like Steve Martin..."i damn thee"} and the only thing I could come up was this after 3 seperate break time smokes of thought on the matter...
"Whatever it is, it's gonna have a heck of a lot more to do with "ALIEN", than this film did, I think Ridley has deliberately and with Malice of forethought, lol, held back for just that purpose, after what he does here, I suspect he'll say to ALL THE CRITICS..."OH YEEEAH???" AND THEN DROP SOME SHOCK AND AWE" going all out "Full Throttle" with Part 2 in simulated "Alien Connection and question answering Mode" !!!
SaintsSinphony
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 2:36 PMyeah OP that was a good post
I'd dig an idea that humans are just here to be hosts or, we are used to see if their DNA would work out on this planet.
Humans shot monkeys into space before we ever went ourselves so maybe the engineers used us as Space Monkeys. LOL
When I think of engineers figuring out how to make the Alien we all know, I picture some weird ass experiments and other engineers and other races of alien tied down and getting chestbursted. Total gore that is almost sadistic. Who wouldn't want to see some Jar Jar Binks like alien getting experimented on by Engineers. oh well, I'd just like to see Prometheus 1 damn it. oh just a few more days
Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 3:00 PMA sequal to Prometheus has to come out, questions have to be answered. By the way SKY, in ten years Ridley will probably be dead. He is 74 right now. So the sequal will have to be done way befor that.
dsjohnson84
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 4:17 PM@Centrosphere
Prometheus should have been a self contained story, like Alien was. The movie introduces characters, a creature and an environment and then it resolves itself and ends. Story over. Alien kept three mysteries for us to wonder: 1) The SJ Ship 2) Would anyone else ever find this planet 3) What happens if and when Ripley is found? Obviously James Cameron answered 2 & 3 with Aliens.
Prometheus doesn't close it's own loop. It just ends in the middle of the peak of interest... it's a movie contingent upon the promise of a sequel. Imagine if that sequel never gets made? Prometheus would be incomplete and a wasted opportunity. A GREAT movie not only creates some sense of resolution to its major themes, but it leaves avenues open for future exploration. RS should have allowed Prometheus to be it's own film and not have it's success as a story be on the hinges of a sequel. If he did it right, a sequel could be a great ADDITION, like Aliens was for Alien. On the flip side there could also never be a sequel and we would have had a complete, inspired and thought provoking film. In reality, the way it was done, we are just left hanging in the wind.
dsjohnson84
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 4:20 PM@Rubirosa
It's okay, James Cameron is 58. He has another 16 years to get to Ridley's age, so he can make a sequel.
Oh wait, didn't he famously do that before? Hahahaha :P
centaurian_slug
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 10:20 PMI like the OP's speculation.
a lot of the fan fiction speculation was more entertaining than the film.
the fact this film simply set up questions rather than having its own substance is enough for me to rate it poorly .
but, i alien is SO deeply burned into my cultural template, i'm going to watch it again probably.
centaurian_slug
MemberOvomorphMay-31-2012 10:23 PMThe mural appears to show a xeno. yes, i think the purpose is, they created humans to create the xeno. tool, bioweapon, spare parts, whatever.
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