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colonial soldier

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I was 13 years old when I saw Alien in the movies in New York City and to this day; that movie was the one that had me scared the most. I worked on film and I am usually generous when it comes to liking movies. The last movie that disappointment me was Red Tails. All I ask sometimes in escapism is plausibilty. "Having the word prequel and awesome in the same sentence has never been heard of" Well Mr. Lindelof you sure have said it. At first, I was so excited when I read that Ridley Scott was taking over the reigns of Carl Rinsch to direct this prequel. We all know that Clint Eastwood has gotten better with age and I was hoping that this was going to be in the same caliber or better than Alien. That is what I wanted. Anyway, the story could have went like this and been very simple to keep the sci-fi horror that we wanted to go back to. Unmanned space mission finds a signal on an unknown world (similar to Alien) and Weyland is financing the mission to find out what it is about. The idea of a humanoid alien species created life on Earth is so damn ludicrious that should have never made the first draft. To insinuiate that the Space Jockey underneath is a huge humanoid creature resembling us spoils the series even more. Ripley, you are responsible for the best and the worst of the series. Even both AVP movies are better than yours. Fassenbender did a good job as an android but Ash (Ian Holm) and Bishop (Lance Henricksen) were much better. They should have went with a female robot this time around and actually Vickers could have played that part than trying to match Paul Reiser's Burke character in Aliens. We expected the film to be dark and dreadful. Dimly lit. The music score was so wrong for the movie and sounded like it belonged in Cliffhanger 2 or The Edge. I do not know why Ridley did not use James Horner (who composed Aliens) or Howard Shore as a composer who already have experience in making scores for scary films. Even Hans Zimmer for pete's sake. It seems the movie was purposely sabotaged for some reason. Also, able to breathe on the planet was ridiculous. At least in Aliens, it made it plausible that the planet was breathable since in the future, humans can now terra form planets and make them breathable. So as I was saying about the story. All they had to do was to have a mission; have more minorities on the crew since this is the future, discover different creatures and parasites there were created by the space jockey creatures and have it that the xenomorph species was a species they bio-engineered and ended up destroying them hence the warning message in the first Alien. Again, no suspense; none of the characters were good, and a sad end to kill the series. $130 million wasted on a story that I could have written much better. I hope those guys never work in Hollywood again. The only good sequence was the abortion scene and again it is also funny to see that technology is much better in prequels than the original. Ripley is now a has-been and destroyed his legacy. The End.
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Kind of hard to believe your theory of investigating some strange signal but even more difficult to believe you didn't spell check yourself 1.ludicrious 2.insinuiate
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Well, the critics are "half/half", fortunatelly the flick has more positive critics then bad, so the chance for sequel ist there. According to the story and especially ending there MUST be a sequel, or Prometheus is more or less senseless. I think the most people who are positive about the outcome simply WISH it would have been even better, but compared to most other sci-fi plots Prometheus is a masterpiece. Haha. I am also frustrated more or less, maybe i simply expected a movie wich will really touch you, but i am more touched about some kind of "Ähh... thats ALL?.." And hundreds unanswered questions in your head. But its not only that - there are so many holes and sequences which are simply not authentic / make you laugh cause so stupid that i had to RAPE MY MIND to enjoy it lil bit...
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colonial soldier
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This website is timing out alot and excuse the spelling errors and typos but this review hits it on the nail on what I wanted to express. [url=http://www.justpressplay.net/reviews/9485-prometheus.html]bad review like mine[/url]
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[i]. Ripley, you are responsible for the best and the worst of the series.[/i] You mean RiDley... Ellen Ripley didn't direct it :) [i]The idea of a humanoid alien species created life on Earth is so damn ludicrious that should have never made the first draft. To insinuiate that the Space Jockey underneath is a huge humanoid creature resembling us spoils the series even more.[/i] We have to suspend what we know about DNA and evolution as well, the DNA was broken into fragments, and billions of years later, the chance of anything looking like the Engineers is astronomically unlikely. It also takes away from the utter strangeness of the space jockey, but it's necessary to go with the mythology theme of "Prometheus" and fire from the gods.... which is Lindelhofs entire script really. I think it's a lazy idea held by someone who thinks it's a huge concept. [i]Fassenbender did a good job as an android but Ash (Ian Holm) and Bishop (Lance Henricksen) were much better. They should have went with a female robot this time around and actually Vickers could have played that part than trying to match Paul Reiser's Burke character in Aliens. [/i] I disagree that it would be better with Vickers should have been an android, or that she was trying to match Paul Reiser's Burke. In fairness Burke was a slimeball, Vickers is visibly upset and concerned for the crew at times, but she doesn't show it in big ways cos she's got this whole control thing going on. [i]Also, able to breathe on the planet was ridiculous. At least in Aliens, it made it plausible that the planet was breathable since in the future, humans can now terra form planets and make them breathable. [/i] It's not really ridiculous. The planet may have been at one time a thriving colony, that was later devastated by war, hence the hardened underground bunkers for the ships and the WMD labs, and the need to create a breathable environment inside. A giant atmosphere processor to do the whole planet would be an easy target. This could solve a mystery of why the Engineers, if they created life on earth for 'good reasons' pointed the way to a place of death.... all we know is the cave paintings are 35,000 years old, and the Engineers working on the WMDs died 2,000 years ago, so perhaps LV-223 was more than just those bunkers and temples when the last Engineers visited Earth. I find it a bit odd that they chose Carbon Monoxide as the pollutant, as it breaks down readily in the atmosphere to from CO2 and ozone, and it's lighter than air. Perhaps the planet has a lot of volcanic activity, but CO is lighter than air, so shouldn't be in 3% concentrations at ground level surely? [i]It seems the movie was purposely sabotaged for some reason.[/i] I don't think so. I think it was a great director working with a crap writer, and unfortunately, Ridley not being much on scripts, didn't smell the crap dripping from it. With any film like Alien (1979) there can be problems. Alien did NOT set itself up for a sequel... much as studios would like to milk success. What Cameron did right was have a very credible reason to revisit LV 426, and reopen the story. Alien 3 did not have this, except by simply ignoring the unlikelihood that the Queen got a chance to lay an egg on the Sulaco... and that Ripley, having been through enough crap, was NEVER going to sleep again without checking every dark corner for nasty creatures. And Resurrection? Awful.. Ripley incinerated herself, and they clone her? From what sample? So, Ridley Scott is looking for someone to come up with a reason to re-enter this universe without making the mistakes that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection did in their premises. I'm sure it looked good on paper, and the giant, greek statue looking Engineers looked impressive on scene one... but the idea of exogenesis is just so much hokum... which Alien and Aliens never had. Why not simply have a new generation pick up on what the Weyland Yutani Corp already knew about this creature from the first 4 films.... and base an expedition on that? There's no reason that this has to pre-date the timeframe of "Alien" unless some action in the next installment leads to the crash on LV-426... which would have to clear up some other chronology issues (perhaps Dallas's idea that the Space Jockey was 'fossilised' by thousands of years is just wrong, because he thinks that exo-suit is its skin (and anyway, where would the minerals, dust come from to fossilie it? There's little to nothing blowing in from outside. ) It would have been simpler to carry on the struggle between caring humans who want to do away with nasty aliens and their space jockey creators, versus greedy corporate types who want it for bioweapons division. It would make it easier to explain the much better looking technology too. (Even taking into account that the Prometheus may be cutting edge for 2093 and Nostromo may be already an old mining vessel, possibly older than the Prometheus, the difference in technology is sharp... low definition monitors etc) But someone either couldn't come up with a story, and went with a lazy - "lets involve religion and mythology line" and/or wanted to touch on some rosetta stones for the franchise... Meet the famous Weyland for example... Thus Lindelhof decided to add an old mythology onto a perfectly good (and scientifically credible) mythological universe that we've already bought into as the Alien series. And make the film about philosophy of 'why are we here, and he fails to put a decent story around that concept. I'm not sure if it's worse than Resurrection. I thought resurrection was a circle jerk in that they decided to have fun and hit a lot of buttons, Ripley is reborn as a kick ass clone, with telepathic connections to the Xenomorphs, and a suggestion of some sort of sexual experience with them. This is after Alien 3 has her self sacrifice by diving in a crucifiction pose into fire... which all seemed far too contrived for my taste. This film has an awful premise, and weak story, which I suspect is down to lack of talent, and effort, and a priority in setting things up for a sequel, where it's hoped to push this 'big question' further. In my opinion, they are trying our patience with this 'big question' by sacrificing the quality of this film to set up the next.
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The predators engineer us and aliens for the sport. Humans have been by far the most challenging. We go find our creators, the ugly, badass and strange predator creature....but please no humanoid... seems AVP > Prometheus.
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I am really surprised at all the bad mouthing critics, if you can write a better story then do it... I really liked this movie and I did not expect a cookie cutter of Aliens as it appears so many others did. I like the original direction and could have watched another 2 hours of the chase to the next world. I think too many people forget that JJ Abrams helped with this and is known for pulling you down a path to trick you and your preconceived ideas. I don't think the engineers are who you think they are and I don't think the planet is what you think it is...did none of you watch any LOST episodes? This is the classic bait and switch and I am all in, but I know something you don't. GREAT MOVIE
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Hadley, Thanks for the robust response and from your remarks about milking the series; this was obviously done for the same reasons. There was no effort in this story and a waste of talent. So far this summer is not impressing me with any of its releases except for The Avengers thus far. I cant believe they pushed GI Joe 2 to the right. Prometheus warrants a Feb/Mar release not summer popcorn fare. And yes; I meant Ridley not Ripley lol
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@RedLeader, I agree. AVP is a better film than Prometheus. Prometheus just has the bigger budget, sets and special effects.
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@RedLeader, I agree. AVP is a better film than Prometheus. Prometheus just has the bigger budget, sets and special effects.
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@Damery. Opinions will vary since we all have our own eyes. It is like looking at a woman and some say sexy and some say ugly lol. But I know quality and in my opinion; this was not it. Like I said, I started watching this series since it first started and it has gone downhill after Aliens.
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I have been looking forward to this for 30 years since I somehow persuaded my dad to let me watch Alien at 12 years old. I can't feel remotely middle of the road about it. It's simply love and hate. LOVED Fassbander - what a talent and superbly cast in Prometheus. The cobra alien - an absolutely perfect, beautiful and terrifying other-worldly creation. It looked almost real. Superbly realised and with great potential. Each and every one of holographic scenes, the breath-taking star room made all the more magnificent in 3d and also, the creepy running engineers. That scene made the hair on my neck stand on edge. Brilliant. HATED The dull and poorly executed Caesarian calamari. The giant baldy dim-witted thug of an engineer. The oddly familiar and unadventurous giant kraken creature. The sickly-sweet, invasive and disengaging score. The multitude of ill-defined bit characters that came and went without rhyme or reason, I can't name half of them, who were they? I'm sure some random guy turned up with an Irish accent. Where the hell did he come from, where did he go? Weyland - the totally unconvincing make up, his cheesy lines, everything. The ending - unless I am mistaken the first alien ship was riddled with contagion. Quite courageus to jump in another. 30 years....
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Seriously? Worse than AVP? The same AVP that says predators, who love tropical climates and heat create a temple in FREAKING ANTARCTICA? That a chestburster can shoot out in freaking 10 minutes unless you need a script boost and then it can wait over an hour until the impregnated predator is on its ship? That a girl in nothing but tights can run around in ANTARCTIC NIGHT outrunning an Alien queen the size of a frickin' T-rex? Let's not even talk about taking the head of an acid-bleeding alien and make it a "fit on the skin" arm shield for a girl who can somehow kill aliens with zero training while predators drop like flies. Riiiiiiiiiiight. Gotta love internet overreaction. If you don't dig it, fine. But to say that the film has logic issues and say they are worse than the tripe that is AVP is just crazy go nuts!
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That is my opinion. I felt I was better entertained by the AVP movies. I was yawning on this one and did not mind to take a urine break and miss whatever lol
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@colonial soldier - Dont worry about the spell checks bro - The content of what you say is 100% accurate. Agree with everything you said. Your opinion in my opinion is spot on. I get the feeling a lot of people on this forum are in denial and dont understand crucial elements of filmmaking.......LIKE A SCRIPT, STORY, SCREENPLAY, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. To be honest what makes a GREAT film are two simple things. Characters and story...... Prometheus is an EPIC FAIL with regards to those two simple elements.
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I'm didn't enjoy Prometheus either. I'm not sure where I place it with Alien 3 and 4 so will have to watch it again before I decide. If they make Prometheus 2 and Jesus turns out to be an engineer then I hope someone comes along and rules them not canon with a remake in the future. To find out that the space jockey in Alien was a relative of jesus would be more than I could bear.
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right on with Colonial on most every point! They should have stayed with the original writers and just leave the viral stuff to Lindelof(f) as in stay off films and stick with TV...it's WAY too big for you.
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I think Ridley has gone senile. I was soon anxious to see this film! Alien has been my favorite movie since I was 12 years old. It still scares me when I watch it today! Prometheus was the worst thing i've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No imagination, weak plot, horrible concept and story!!!!! Giger should have been involved. Better writers should have been involved. No answers were given. The monsters were "plastic" and not scary. I am thoroughly disappointed!!!!!!!
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The High Priest hits the nail on the head once again. I really feel that people are in huge denial on this site. I don't get it. I think they viewed it with their mind made up that it was going to be great regardless, whereas we viewed with a clean slate and no expectations. Please just let go of the denial guys
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Or maybe, just maybe, they liked the film. You didn't, so be it. Others did, so be it. But for anyone to say they were entertained by AVP, that's to me how you feel of someone being entertained by Prometheus. AVP was nonsensical tripe with zero character develpment, plot contrivances and holes miles wide, bad visual fx and pacing like a 7-year old on pixy stix. For me, Prometheus is the beginning of something bigger, setting up a new universe for stories. If any of you deny that the visual fx of that film weren't amazing, it may be you in denial. It wasn't perfect, not by a long shot. I need to see it again before I can make a stronger opinion of it, but I found it interesting and its greatest weakness was its slavish connection to Alien versus being its own thing. If you went in thinking it was a true Alien prequel, I can see how you'd not like it, but all of this "worst film ever" crap has to end. There are FAR worse films in existence (Mortal Kombat, Superman 4, Green Lantern and any film ever on MST3' for example).
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@High Priest - Thanks man. The comments about the spelling errors were funny and my point was made. Again, the film had me totally baffled on why they could not come up with a better story to link the two movies. I am just waiting the US box office tallies over the weekend and lets see it earns something. I think it will take a big nose dive after negative word of mouth gets around but again Transformers 2 was critically panned and made bank.

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