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[url=http://www.newburyportnews.com/lifestyle/x138773894/Prometheus-alienates-audiences-with-absurdity]absurdity[/url] 'Prometheus' alienates audiences with absurdity By Greg Vellante Correspondent The Daily News of Newburyport Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:56 AM EDT There is an entire spectrum of arguments to be had about films in which characters wander around in dark places, point flashlights in the direction of ambiguous sounds, and shockingly exclaim some variation of the question, "What was that?" This type of scene traditionally has been grounded in science fiction or horror. Now, it has become overused to the point of cliche — a genre in and of itself, if you will. I don't get it. Why don't these people just run away from the scary, unidentified noises coming from the dark cave? If you were lost on a foreign planet and a slimy creature emerged from a puddle of black goo, would you call it pet names and attempt to get closer to it? C'mon. Like most people, I would bolt in the opposite direction and never look back. Then again, I have more common sense than any character in Ridley Scott's "Prometheus." A visually stunning but thematically silly film, "Prometheus" is a slight shift of promise for a director who has been gasping for air in a directorial drought. (Have you seen his "Robin Hood?") And yet, he never comes close to reaching the visionary levels of work in films like "Blade Runner" (1982), or the original "Alien" (1979); films hot with inspired sizzle. "Alien," a premier example of the ignorant-people-with-flashlights genre and arguably its inception, is a milestone in both science fiction and filmic history. Thirty-three years later, however, Scott's once-fresh elements feel stale. And "Prometheus," widely promoted as a prequel to "Alien," is all rehashes and setup. Like a roller coaster ridden countless times where all the bumps, dips and loops are anticipated, "Prometheus" is fun and frantic despite its familiarity. I willingly surrendered to every twist and turn. I reluctantly accepted every goofy plot turn. And I did so because once this movie picks up the pace, it mirrors the momentum of a moving train for most of the second act. "Prometheus" features a great performance by Michael Fassbender as android David and a magnificently disgusting scene involving Noomi Rapace. And yet, despite its best efforts to remain stable, the film runs off the rails again in the final minutes amidst a desperate attempt to piece together loose ends in last-second references to "Alien" that don't need to be there. The sad truth about "Prometheus" is that its first half is mere setup for its latter half. Worse yet, the final section is just more setup for a blatantly hinted-at sequel. Considering the screenplay is co-penned by Jon Spaihts, a fledgling writer of one prior film ("The Darkest Hour"), and "Lost" scribe Damon Lindelof, it is no surprise that the third act feels more like a season finale than a cinematic climax. If "Prometheus" stood alone as a self-contained film, which prequels should, it could easily mask the majority of its blunders. Instead, this movie constantly tries to please a pre-existing audience. No surprises, no risks; just a safe, easily accessible placeholder in Ridley Scott's resume: That's "Prometheus." Film has come a long way since 1979. "Prometheus," however, is stuck. In another three decades, it will be remembered most as a missed opportunity.
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I completely disagree with the ENTIRE argument here and all I will say about it is that it is petty and reflects the thoughts of a reviewer who did NOT UNDERSTAND that the ship and it's crew were sent up their by a Private Corporation, not a government run one, to investigate signs of extra terrestrial "beings"...period end of story...yea...they obviously did not properly prepare for specimen gathering when they left their mother ship, and yea it seemed way to ignorant of him to reach out to the creature like that, but that guy played a person...a character who believed in DARWIN a to z, and was just trusting and friendly and playfull and curious by nature...I might have done the same thing in the moment just to show the guy next to me that I can be confident on the job. In the end however you have to suspend your disbelief you are right, and I do this willingly all the time in every film I see that isn't a slow loving comedy, drama or love story with very little action.
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Brainbleeed.... [IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/2jeeqkm.png[/IMG]
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@ Spartacus Surely you have to admit that Prometheus is full of stupid people doing stupid things? One minute Millburn is scared at the prospect of dead alien lifeforms, and wants to head back to Prometheus with Fifield. This is confirmed a second time when they get lost and Janek informs them that the probes are picking up signs of life. Instead of being curious they talk about being scared and wanting to head off in the opposite direction. But then as soon as an alien snake/worm pops up out of the black goo right in front of them, Millburn tries to pet it? Come on. Two minutes ago he was scared of meeting an alien, but now he wants to play with one? That's just BAD writing.
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He has more common sense than the characters? He couldn't figure out why a biologist (who - it is strongly hinted at - has smoked some of Fifield's weed) was all mellow and trying to pet a space cobra? Gee I must subscribe to this guy.
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@Spart I'm glad you can say that... '[i]In the end however you have to suspend your disbelief; you are right[/i]' Because I think this is what a lot of other reviewers and lovers of this film have failed to acknowledge. I think the Milburn/Alien Cobra scene though does sport a massive issue. Previously we saw Milburn and Fifield [i]beyond[/i] terrified and wanting to leave the area soon as possible. The next time we see them (in the ampule chamber) he isn't interested in the gigantic dead body (surely an alien body would be catnip to a scientist?...no...that's right: [b]he's terrified[/b]) but instead he takes up a strange interest in the cobra...even though he's meant to be terrified? At least in Alien, Kane stuck his face in that egg because he was fascinated by everything. I think that's why it's jarring so much with some people. To me? Not so much. I understand it's silly, but it doesn't bother me enough.
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of course I do, but do you guys really actually believe that Ridley Scott didn't either? Seriously I have to know do you truly believe that?
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[quote]He has more common sense than the characters? He couldn't figure out why a biologist (who - it is strongly hinted at - has smoked some of Fifield's weed) was all mellow and trying to pet a space cobra? Gee I must subscribe to this guy.[/quote] I have to admit, that was so funny, even though I still say it was Deliberately left in, even done that way specifically by "Cheeky" Ridley !!!
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'[i]of course I do, but do you guys really actually believe that Ridley Scott didn't either? Seriously I have to know do you truly believe that?[/i]' What are you referring to Spart?
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And why is everyone talking about Fifield's weed? What weed? Who said this?!
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of course I realize how stupid Milburn Looked, and you guys are right in everything you say I have just been going about explaining my point of view to you wrong, what i should have explained from the beginning is that I think Ridley deliberately did this to Provoke the exact reaction you are having, I think when he said the was from the "all about everything " school he was referring to more than just the everything of man's existence, he was referring to the fact that he likes to do this to people, provoke reactions with his films, having the crew be as stupid as possible is something he loves because it allows him to toy with YOUR sensibilities so you have to look at the overall picture of things more in his films to understand the under laying WHY. Everyone who dies is inconsequential to the story and really only 2 "Beings" matter here...SHAW and DAVID8 ! [b]Summation: Ridley Did this On Purpose To provoke The Very reaction You Are Having And Has Always Used This "Cinematic Device" In His Films ![/b]
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@Spart Whilst you are right (RS has indeed said he is from the 'all about everything' school) I think you're taking a [i]very[/i] liberal interpretation of what that means. And furthermore: that kind of 'explaining away' of the problems can then lead to us justifying anything as an 'in-joke' of sorts? I understand all films have things that make NO sense what so ever. Best case recently? Inception. Inception to me is a masterpiece (some people think it's a mantle-piece? But there you go). However if you think for ONE SECOND about the dream machine you will start to go...WHAT?! [b]Man 1[/b]: 'so...how does this work? How do got into the dream?' [b]Man 2[/b]: 'you strap it to your wrist' [b]Man 1[/b]: 'Yep...but how does it work?' [b]Man 2[/b]: 'I just said: with a wrist strap. God! Do you not listen?!' [b]Man 1[/b]: 'Nothing works with just a ''wrist-strap''?! My watch has wrist-strap?! How does a wrist-strap put me inside the dream?!' [b]Man 1[/b]: 'SHHHH!!! WRIST-STRAP!!!' Etc etc etc. It's a pretty flimsy premise. But...that's a premise that you have to accept to move on with the film. It's s foundation premise, just the same way that space travel across billions of miles, cryo-sleep, med pods etc are foundations premises for Prometheus. What i'm talking about is character motivation which is very tricky. I don't think Ridley meant to fuck with the audience in this manner. He's a smart guy, and a cerebral film-maker. I just think this aspect of the script doesn't make sense. It's an error. A piece of unthought out exposition that leaves the audience going '...huh?'. And he wouldn't want to confuse the audience for no good reason. Surely? In essence: it's a mistake. I do agree with you though about [b]Shaw[/b] and [b]David8[/b]. David is basically the centre of the film and I can't help but feel that maybe too much time was spent on him and not the others. So much of his motivation is incredibly smart, and so much of everyone elses is just....I don't know? Lacking? Sorry, this is long...and boring.
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@ Spartacus I think you've been smoking some of Fifield's weed. It's sad to say it, but Prometheus is just a badly written film that treats it's audience with utter contempt.
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I'm still confused: [b]WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK FIFIELD WAS SMOKING WEED[/b]?!
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makes me laugh suggesting that a few drags of Marijuana obliterates all your good judgement, and sense of reasoning, especially from a biologist/botanist the guys probably never heard of ethnobotany the study of the effects, and properties, of plant hallucinogens, and the cultures that use them. An academic like that would indeed get totally whacked on an alien planet wouldn't he guess he's taken a leaf out of Terence McKenna's book and possibly his stash as well.
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@alteredstate Haha I think everyone was only joking about the whole old-timer theory of 'marijuana will make you lose your mind, commit robberies, and rape women!!!'. I'm not sure any enlightened 21st century person thinks that anymore. But I admire you defending the cause. I'm just reading my way through 'Food of the Gods' right now...[b]AWESOME[/b] book.
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Great read and after that may i suggest you read the archaic revival that to is an awesome read. No suggestions in that of heightened awareness, that makes you moronically dumb .
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@ Brightonrock Good point. You don't need to know how the device in Inception works in order for the film to "work"... just like we didn't need to know anything about the Space Jockey in Alien. For me, Prometheus is badly written in terms of both characters and plot. The characters aren't just walking, talking cliches, they are [u]stupid[/u] walking, talking cliches. What they do one minute, they contradict the next. As for the plot...why does Weyland take anyone along on this mission other than David? Put yourself in his shoes and try and answer that question? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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@alteredstate I'll check it out after i've finished 'Food of the Gods'...and 'The Dark Tower: book I', and 'The Gift of Fear', and 'The Great Gatsby', etc etc etc. But it's on the list! So much to read...and only one lifetime...*siiiiiiigh*
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Well your literacy taste is not in question all great books there it might interest you to know i live in Brighton to lol
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@Pfc Hudson Yeah, I don't think accepting a premise is hard unless it's counter-intuitive to the world. For example: 'it is the year 2197...and the space travel is abound' That's fine. But if it said... 'It is the year 2012...and space travel is abound' Then It's near to impossible to swallow because....we all know it's not?! Alien might suffer if we get to the year it's set in (I can't remember off the top of my head) and space-travel isn't a common thing. People will watch it and go 'Uh-Oh!'. Hahaha! But that's Sci-Fi for you. No ones fault. Just one of the bumpy roads you have to take in order to create anything spectacular. I for one would like to have know more about the Space-Jockey, but what we knew for the plot to work was fine: they're a genetically advanced race and they created us. Thats all the motivation you need for the story to move forward. But yes: characters are sketchy and exposition is clumsy. It's not totally charmless. It just felt rushed and, at times, [i]weird[/i] alongside David who had seemed to be fleshed out beautifully. However the fact we don't know certain things (what the goo is, what it does (specifically), what the aliens are, and who creates them, etc) is driving me nuts. It's a film like this that desperately needs a sequel, otherwise it will eventually amount to an unintentionally muddled and fractured film.

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