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Space jockey death not consistent with alien?

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jubei

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 7:55 PM
Loved the movie, love not having all the answers, really hoping for 10,11,12. With that being said....like the title of this thread. Was the space jockeys death not consistent with the original alien movie?
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Alien DNA

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 7:58 PM
It wasn't supposed to be the same Jockey.

Stefano

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 7:59 PM
No, it wasn't then again, what came from the Engineer was not a fully developed xeno at this point. I believe what we saw there was a very early version.

Stefano

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 8:00 PM
I may have misunderstood. Did you mean not consistent because it came out of him in a different way, or not consistent because of where it happened; on the life boat versus in the chair?

Hi big pig

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 8:00 PM
You probably are not going to like the answers you're about to hear - prepare yourself

aweandmystery

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 8:22 PM
None of this had anything to do with the ship on LV-426! I would think that this Alien was the first of the line and possibly the Queen that lays the eggs in the cargo bay. Also I think R.S. did this as a salute and an ironic twist since now we believe that our human DNA is part of the Alien package! I just saw the film today and I think it is brilliant! Any SF film that makes people think is just what is needed!

anachronism

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 8:48 PM
Um, er ... are we supposed to believe that the crashed ship at the end of Prometheus is the same ship that Hurt, Skerrit and woman walk into at the beginning of Alien? If so, then the Space Jockey issue is 'impossible' ... ie, he can't have left the chair to die in the pod/cargo bay/'birth' the first recognisable Alien ... he needs to be back in the chair, asin the Alien movie. IF the crashed ship is NOT the same ship as the one in Alien, whose, and what is the ship in Alien...?

Hadley's Hope

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 9:13 PM
@Anachronism No, we are NOT supposed to believe that the crashed ship at the end of Prometheus is the same one boarded by Dallas, Kane and Lambert in Alien and here's why. 1. It's been said publicly that it's not a direct prquel. 2. As told by the character Lambert in Alien, when they're approaching the source of the signal, it is LV-426 a small rocky, dark moon in the Zeta Reticuli system which is 39 light years away. The planet is only 1200 km (about 700 miles) wide and the days and nights are very short there, approx 2 hours for a complate rotation 3. The orange text that appears on the screen when we first see the Prometheus in space tells us that it is 3.27 x 10^14 km from Earth... that's 34.5 light years away from our solar system, and even if there was a straight line from Earth through LV-233 and Lv-426, they would be about 4.5 light years away from each other .... roughly the distance from our solar system to Alpha Centauri. The moon LV-223 is larger, brighter and has a longer rotation period, as well as signs of intelligient life. (5 apparently idential domes lined up in a straight line, and more leylines in front of them.) There's no heat sources indicated, whereas LV-426 is volcanicly active. Also the 'Space Jockey scene in Alien has important differences. We don't see ANY stasis beds on the disc surrounding the Space Jockey's pilot seat, nor do I recall seeing a chair for operating the holograms that David activated. It's a different bridge, with a different space jockey, on a different ship on a different moon in a different star system. We don't know the origin of the ship on LV-426... but that's not a problem of the Prometheus film... it was never explained anyway, and it might still be unexplained after the sequel to Prometheus, but we can always speculate that we will see some reference to an outbreak affecting a pilot who then crashes somewhere near Zeta Reticuli system...

Socrates

MemberOvomorphJun-08-2012 9:25 PM
This movie is not an alien prequel and has nothing to due with alien other then the universe itself.

josiahdburk

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 12:01 AM
This movie had no direct link to the things discovered in Alien. For one thing, did anyone else notice that the setting not on LV-426? (On the computer it showed an LV-226 or something of the like). The Engineer dies on the escape vessel giving rise to the first "Xeno", not dieing in the chair. So, for those who will hold this story true to the Alien-Universe (I am debating too), either one of the other ships encounters it, or the Engineers return to the planet after meeting our hero lady, and suffer the fate of the newly created abomination. Ridley may have created this thing simply to make us mad

Deneba321

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 12:59 AM
I took it to be narrative license that the space jockey now dies with his ship characteristically lying smashed on the ground at a crash angle with its ends in the air and (impregnated and dead) in the lifedeck/boat instead of in the ship's space jockey chair. I don't disagree it could be a totally different planet, infested with aliens, with a totally different space jockey ship crashed and tilted into the air just so, with its space jockey pilot all burst open from the inside. I would offer for those your quoting star charts, (dare I say it) this is an imagined story and it is reasonable to alter aspects to make this movie ending better. (I know for consistency fanaticism this is...heresy) It seems pretty clear it is the same ship/situation/planet Alien stumbles upon. Maybe in the next movie our heroine unleashes the Xenomorph death on the Engineer's homeworld and Alien picks up from the engineer's escaping ships which turns out to be infested which is why humanity is able to continue expanding to the stars....could be I suppose.

Christiano

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 2:16 AM
The space jockey room in Prometheus is the same exact one in Alien. Just saw the flick yesterday. Prometheus crashes and hits the engineer's ship which goes down. Shaw flies out and leaves the message that there is only death on the planet and to stay away. Nostromo comes along, gets the distress message and they go check it. When Dallas, Kane and Lambert step out to investigate, you CLEARLY SEE the crashed engineer's ship which they do descend into. However the engineer is in his chair and they mention something seems to have exploded from its chest. May have been another ship but, you clearly see its the same planet from Promethius due to the fact you see the engineer's large ship. Then if you recall, Ripley breaks the code which turns out isn't an SOS but a warning. The warning that Shaw left before she and David take off. Regardless of what anyone says, THIS IS A PREQUEL to ALIEN.

orangecat

MemberOvomorphJun-09-2012 1:30 PM
@Christiano. I'm glad you saw it and I'm sure Ridley Scott stands corrected now.

h0lly

MemberOvomorphJun-13-2012 4:15 AM
I just watched the movie last night and the ending slightly perplexed me as well. Orangecat and Hadley's Hope seem to offer authorative synopsis of the relationship between this movie and the original Alien. On the one hand, it seems acceptable that this movie has no direct relationship with Alien and, therefore, it is not a prequel, but some aspects of the movie insinuate that it is a prequel to Alien. It would be enlightening if RS maybe given a qualified interview or write-up offering some explanation to the relationship between the films. In saying that, I did enjoy the move and found it intriguing.

h0lly

MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 5:13 AM
Here is an interesting interview with Ridley Scott about Prometheus which clarifies a few things. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18298709
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