What do you think David says to the Engineer in his language?

The context in *this* edit implies that he was pissed off by David's translation of Weyland's demand/request. I hope that we can find out "what really happened." I'm working on it. Everything in the odd context points towards a *conversation* to which we are not privy in the theatrical release because it was redacted in the editing. The fact that we are not allowed to hear that conversation between the Engineer and David is one of my BIGGEST peeves with the film.

"You look so pale, like you are in need of a transfusion!" lol

David greets the Space Jockey by saying "Dillon!!! Yoooou son of a bitch!" - a line from one his favourite movies. The Space Jockey takes it the wrong way, thinking David is just insulting his mother.

"You [i]ugly!.....[/i]"

lol some funny stuff guys :) what i was thinking was that maybe David looking for freedom from Weyland says something to incite the Engineer. Although David does not full understand what freedom would mean for him.

Not sure, but honestly, if they had subtitled this, i would have been a lot less frustrated with the film.

We don't know if what David says, has [i]any[/i] bearing on how the Engineer reacts. We [i]do[/i] know that from the engineer's perspective, it was only yesterday that he planned on wiping out our species, either through physical death or horrific mutation. Apparently, his mood hasn't changed

ha Freeze!! I interpreted it as David was suggesting some crazy swiss named Hans Rudolf who would have helped their creature "engineering" . . . but I like Freeze's interpretation better.

Perhaps he said "You mad bro? Come at me bro!" ? No, David's not a dumb internet troll, so probably not that. It's open to interpretation. One on hand , David is programmed to obey Weyland, even to the point of infecting Holloway. he may have simply translated what he was asked, but the Space Jockey wanted to kill them anyway - it was on a mission to kill all humans. On the other hand, the converstion he has with Shaw just prior to the trip, He says he has no concept of freedom or 'wanting' but says that 'don't all children want their parents dead' - I find it an odd idea to think that he would want to say something to the Space Jockey to enrage him, as it's just as capable of ripping David apart as it is of killing Weyland... in fact it kills Weyland by belting him in the skull with David's head. I haven't seen Lost, but I've heard that the writers (which include Lindelhof) set up a lot of little teasers which were red herrings, just to get the audience speculating.

I find the scene of Weyland getting belted by Davids head interesting and symbolic in a way. Weylands creation was the tool used to cause his death. I think the space jockey intended to kill him with his own creation.

i want to get my hands on a copy, just to put my curiosity to rest about whether the few words he was learning during the flight were used when he spoke to the engineer. I can't remember if english versions were spoken, i don't think so but I'm still curious to see :P

interesting the way the engineer touches/strokes the head of David as well. appears to me to be some disconnected actions that lead me to think that the dialogue may not have been 'innocent'. either way it is fun to contemplate the meaning, if any at all.

Loved David's look of pure joy when he was caressed by the SJ. Made me feel like he needed that physical contact, hugs from daddy so to speak. Interesting need for a Robot. I interpreted it differently, I think the SJ saw the cruelty we humans are capable of, or was reminded of it when Weyland asks to have Shaw "quieted" and she then got a blow to her already damaged abdomen.

@Svanya yeah either that or just the significance of the situation, it has been said in his youtube interview that he has emotions or atleast and understanding of them so maybe. Gotta admit despite the fact he's a robot people were pretty harsh to him at some points, kinda asking for trouble.

Definitely fun to contemplate the meaning. I know this scene frustrated a lot of people, but personally, this was one scene where I was actually glad we didnt get subtitles. I liked that its left open.

@Svanya - I thought that too! So many things it could be!

Svanya, agree! I thought it was an interesting scene and imagery. Meeting the maker of my maker maybe? Maybe even meeting someone/something more equal to David?

@josiyah; Yes, and I firmly believe that if we are to bring A.I into this world we have the responsibility to treat them with care and treat them like the children they are. We emulate our "parents" so we need to be kind and teach our A.I "children" good lessons not bad.

Whatever he said, he must have started by introducing the group as coming from Earth. Probably he reverentially paid respects to the giant, in the same way ancient people would have addressed Isis or Quetzalcoatl if they had them before them. That is why the Engineer gently strokes David's hair. He maybe also detected that he is an artificial being, and to his eyes we humans are not supposed to create other beings. That reminds him why he is supposed to wipe us out.. we went too far

@WhyDontTheyFreezeHim Agree with your view. I like that some things/ideas/thoughts are left to us to think about and enjoy in our own heads. I know some people are frustrated by that and I guess that is why we all enjoy movies differently. Some fantastic ideas in this move. In recent months I had just finished watching the entire series of Ancient Aliens from the History channel. Some really cool comparisons between the series and the ideas explored in the movie

@Svanya With out a doubt, they need to know right from wrong and be given equal respect. If these movies have taught us anything :)

"How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"

@Hephaesta lol references are always funny

WE DO KNOW I THING ,,, IT pissed him off

A conversation is almost undeniably is missing. [url=http://ifonlyuk.com/interviews/interview-daniel-twiss/]Daniel had lines which he learned and performed[/url]. They are [u]missing[/u] from the film. Because David smiled, I also think that something meaningful likely originally transpired between them. That said, as artyoh pointed out, the Engineer was likely a military agent or some such and most recently (2k years ago = "yesterday"?) under some kind of order to annihilate humanity. Perhaps he saw in David's obeisance to Weyland (whom even a dog would instantaneously recognize as evil) that the "bad guys" had to go. I am DYING to know what transpired linguistically between the Engineer and David in the original. It feels like an utter tragedy to me that it was cut.

I'll co sign that FreezeHim

David isn't [i]just[/i] a toaster, that's for sure. Certainly not [i]everything[/i] he did was at Weyland's behest, and he had to react to situations as they unfolded. They weren't in constant communication. It is funny how so many people have bitched about Lindelof's ambiguity......and yet, here we are muddling through it with theories and speculation. If the story had been tied up into a neat little bow, that wouldn't be happening....it would be over and done....."The Thing" prequel, anyone? Besides, if you really want to blame anyone for ambiguities, you need look no further than Ridley Scott, himself.

Find someone who speaks Mayan. It doesnt look like he asked the engineer for anything, sounds more like he was greeting him.

Like I said, the dude had been in a freezer for 2000 years, but he wasn't [i]conscious[/i] of that time passing.........he had every intention of wiping us out, just before he went to sleep.......why the hell would he be happy to find us waking him up? We will [i]never[/i] learn chapter and verse about these monsters, because the more they're defined, the less ( apparently ) threatening they will become. But back to the whole "wiping us out" business.......we only "know" that because David informs us of it.....who says he's necessarily being honest about that? heh heh

After watching the movie I can say that I don't see too much of Lindelof's hand in there. I guess he was to Ridley Scott much as David was to Weyland. He just followed directions and he must be good at it because he just got another similar job rewriting Wold War Z.

I have a feeling that David was asking Shaw's question, but the Engineer, probably being a "man on a mission", decapitated him and took the others down. He was probably some sort of soldier, though I can't be too certain, but I'm sure that a soldier of his type obeys directives with no questions asked. Granted, he did look a bit puzzled when he was awoken, to meet these little people, whom he probably recognized as his race's creation.

1) The Engineer expresses surprise (assuming he has human facial expressions) when David speaks a combo of ancient languages which means he may understand how to operate Engineer text/control panels. 2) As an 'engineer' or 'maker' he immediately realizes there's something different about David's make. Upon which he grabs David's head and then promptly rips it off. Why? Because to an Engineer, David is patchwork doll - a crude effigy of real living creations, such as humans made by engineers. And more it shows the Engineer that 'humans' have retained both the desire and ability (if terribly crude - so far!) to make life, just as the Engineers do. 3) I think this speaks to one of two reasons the engineers consider humans of earth a dangerous variant experiment and a failed one (because 2000 years ago something happened and they decided to xenomorph the planet.)

I think he asked the Space Jockey if he had any Grey Poupon.

What I find interesting about David is that I am never sure as to his intentions. Is he following orders all the time from Weyland? Or is he filling the gaps with his experiences in his own time and taking learnings from readng peoples dreams? This is what makes me question what did David really say to the Engineer?

given David's record of inciting problems, i have a feeling this one could have been the worst. he easily could have said something to the effect of 'You've been asleep for 2,000 years, we have killed almost all of your race, and are here to wipe the last of you from the universe.' not much short of that would cause the rage the Engineer from then on acts with. one moment standing in wait and conversation...the next ripping the head off of David and killing all humans he can easily reach. once his ship is grounded he then comes after the only remaining human, Shaw, with a hell of a bone to pick with her. if it wasn't for Cuddles the squid, he'd have done to her what he did to David. this theory could of course be wrong, but i think it's a plausible explanation for the Engineer's actions.

It is obvious what he said i understood it completely. David to Engineer: "I hope to F*** this does not end my career as im hoping to be in the X Men Sequel. Can ya just give me a decent death so perhaps i still save some face"

I think David asked the engineer "Did you happen to catch the last season of Lost."

lmfao

@SJB Hmmm. What if David requested death? If the Engineers are a benign race, perhaps that explains why he placed his hand on David before taking his head off.

What if humans started as a facehugger and a baby fetus popped out of a Xenomorph, or an Engineer.... lol