Plot holes are also plot devices

Bignolechuck

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Ladies and Gentlemen (and Fanboys)- For all of the complaining let me remind you about weak sauce plot holes in every movie... Things MUST happen to move the Plot along, and although many of you (hell even me) would sit through a mockumentary style exploration of LV-whatever... That would not make for a very popular movie. Thus, characters are "forced" to make decisions and things "must" happen in an unnatural fashion to expedite the action. Could it have been done better in Prometheus? Yes! But do not forget this very special point: Ripley survived in Alien (1979) because the Xeno "decided" (conveniently to serve the plot I might add) to go lay down in the escape pod and "uncharacteristically" react hyper slowly to noticing Ripley once it was woken up... Newt survived because the Queen pulled the ol' can't seem to catch and kill the "star of the movie" even though I managed to sleepwalk through killing everyone else... Plot Holes or Plot devices? Both films that seem to be the appex if cinema (as far the fans go in this place) have huge clichés and holes... Sci Fi by its very nature requires you to suspend belief... Why is it easier to do so 25-30 years ago and not today? I think the execution of the ideas presented and hinted at in Prometheus are not fleshed out in the allotted running time, BUT I also think Ridley and Linderoff were faced with putting too much in rather than save some surprises for the sequel(s)... This film suffers because of their choices NOT because their ideas and the plot is crap. Lastly, it's okay not to like it... But I am sick of hearing how each of you could make it better... It's entertainment, it's art, and it is the directors work... Don't see the sequels or support his bed films... I assure you, he could care less about YOU. Better yet.... Go raise 130 million and make your own movie... Ha! News flash: the community that LOVES Alien (the franchise) could not support this film alone... Movies must be made to attract all audiences... Alien (1979) was essentially an independent movie that found and grew a following... Has there every been an independent sequel? (I mean Clerks 2 was a major sellout to Miramax) things change... Movies are a business... Get over it and be entertained or don't!

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June 14, 2012

Clerks 2 also had a more realistic storyline, better-developed characters, well-written dialogue, and Rosario Dawson.

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June 14, 2012

Hehe he said "he could care less about you". *crawls back into his hole*

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June 14, 2012

Actually, I thougth similar to you at first, that Lindelhof and Spaight, in an attempt to get from 17 characters to 2 and fit in all their mythology, ripped plot holes so big that you could fly a drop ship through there. I've run this movie over and over in my head, and based on all the things they tell us, and more importantly the clues they put in but don't expressly show, there are no plot holes. i was rather impressed when I saw how badly I had misjudged them. The way each charater succeeds despite the odds or fails when things seem simple to avoid are actually down to their own choices and state of mind. Milburn acted unwisely towards a space cobra because he was stoned. Vickers ran all Forrest Gump straight ahead, because she has been terrified ever since she got out of stasis - she is a panicked wreck. etc. And Newt was THE champion of hide and seek in Hadleys' Hope, in fact all of LV 426.

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June 14, 2012

yO; as most of us, i LOVE prometheus. But some other films touched me even more. Maybe a question of taste! I saw "The Thing" (1982) some month ago and found it is a PERFECT horror-sci-fi-movie. Prometheus did not touch me that much, and i feeled simply un-satisfied. We can now analyze plotholes in this movie, compare with other movies - anyway, i feeled much more familiar with the Alien Crew and even with the Aliens Crew. As we discuss here, we must not all praise that movie to heaven, we talk subjectivly about our personal opinion, and that must not allways be a compliment, though the movie deserves many compliments... Anyway, looking forward where this prometheus universe will bring us in the future... Hope that some of the critics help the screenwriter to do some little (!) things better to make the whole movie expirience much better.

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June 14, 2012

To me, story is everything and this film's story simply does not cut it. It was wholly unsatisfying from start to finish. Sure you could fill in all the plot holes yourself with speculation and excuses, but then why not just cut out the middle man and write your own story?

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June 14, 2012

Ridiculous, apologist nonsense.

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June 14, 2012

They should make a Prometheus prequal where the whole movie is David reading everyone's dreams, then we get the answers as to why everyone in the movie is so freakin stupid.

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June 14, 2012

mmmm being stoned turns you into a thoughtless buffoon that cant think straight and makes you do things that contradict every basic natural human instinct for self preservation. And there was i thinking it heightened awareness as in the term getting high! . Bill hicks once said “They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.” i'm a smoker have been for the past 30 years and yet i've never been compelled to stroke a rattlesnake under the influence just as the millions of people around the world where most of it is grown and used wouldn't attempt to stroke a tiger or any other dangerous animal. What a kop out.

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June 14, 2012

Well Fox have the final say.... If Ridley and Lindelof have one idea that they want to do and they say F U! to what some may want and F U! to Fanboys because they want to make Jesus a Space Jockey and God a Xeno and they never explain LV 426 or the Decon at the end of Prometheus. If Fox feel that giving other fans what they want instead will make more money, well i guess we wont see Prometheus 2 be exactly what Ridley wants it to be. I am sure Fox have the rights to the Alien Franchise and that would include Weyland inc and Space Jockeys etc...

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