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MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 12:28 PM
********THIS THREAD IS A WORK IN PROGRESS******** These are truncated interpretations of forum members "plot holes" or unaswered questions along with answers and explainations from various members... 1)[u]Is sacrificing one of their kind really the best way they have to create life on earth in the beginning of the film?[/u] 2)[u]Why would Weyland spend so much money to fund a mission with no hard evidence that Shaw and Holloway's theories are correct?[/u] [b]He's a multi-quadrillionaire or mega-rich for that matter. Money is no object and immortality is his only desire.[/b] 3)[u]Why is Shaw portrayed as a Christian believer yet she forms a hypothesis that contradicts Christian beliefs?[/u] [b]In the film someone says that her beliefs are incorrect because the Engineers created humans. She answers with "Yes, but who made them?" She has her own beliefs that are obviously based in Christianity but every Christian does not believe or worship in the same way.[/b] 4)[u]Why was Weyland playing like he was dead and hiding in cryo besides plot reasons?[/u] [b]He was in cryo to preserve the short time he had to live. As far as why he hid it from the crew perhaps he's an eccentric multi-quadrillionaire who likes to mess with people's heads. Or, if the comany and share holders believe he's dead he could be doing it for some business reasons.[/b] 5)[u]Why is Vickers being Weyland's daughter kept a secret?[/u] [b]Vickers being Weyland's daughter is kept secret from the audience. Never in the film does it suggest that this fact is kept from the crew. She has a different last name but that doesn't mean that the last name was made up. Maybe a married name or she kept her mother's last name.[/b] 6)[u]Why does Vickers even go on the mission when it's against her best intrest in regards to taking over Weyland Industries? It's not in her best intrest if other "sharks" are on earth plotting to take over the company while she's on the mission.[/u] [b]For one Weyland is not dead so the company is still his. Also, Vickers obviously has daddy issues. Her father prefers a replicant to her. Her father is dying. She expresses that in her opinion the mission is a joke and will not be successful therefore she believes her father is going to die on the mission. She looks at the mission as her last chance to redeem herself or win her father's love away from David.[/b] 7)[u]Why does Weyland take the voyage instead of sending a probe and funding further medical research?[/u] [b]What medical research is going to uncover immortality?[/b] 8)[u]Why does Weyland think he can appreciate or understand immortality or the Engineers reasoning and capabilities when he himself states that his creatioin, David, cannot appreciate the immortality he has been given because he has no soul?[/u] [b]Again, he's an eccentric, multi-quadrillionaire. He created another lifeform. He also obviously thinks he is on equal footing with the gods or Engineers. He is incredibly self rightious. And, unlike David, he has a soul.[/b] 9)[u]Why does the crew rush into the temple instead of waiting for the pups to finish mapping?[/u] [b]They never go into any area of the pyramid that has not been mapped.[/b] 10)[u]Why would the crew remove their helmets when they admit that, though breathable, it could still be dangerous?[/u] [b]Once they find out it's breathable they never say anything about a chance of it still being dangerous. In fact, someone states that the air is, in fact, cleaner than earth's air.[/b] 11)[u]Why does David shine a flashlight at a hologram?[/u] [b]He's in a very dark place and has a flashlight in his hand. When most people are in the dark and hear or see something moving they usually will shine said flashlight in that direction.[/b] 12)[u]How does Fifield and Milburn get lost when Fifield is in charge of the pups?[/u] [b]The pup readout was loading to the display on the ship, Fifield had a piece of the equipment that showed them the readout however when he and Millburn decided to leave rather near their point of entry he had to leave the equipment with the crew who were staying so they could continue to find their way. Fifield and Millburn being men both think they can find their own way and don't bother contacting Janek for directions. Then the storm hits knocking out contact.[/b] 13)[u]Why are geologist Fifield and biologist Millburn not interested in the uber-important descoveries that the team make in the pyramid?[/u] [b]It's possible that they are too frightened to care about their careers at that point. Or better yet they are interested but are smart enough to hang back until the pyramid is found to be safe and without threat.[/b] 14)[u]Why is Millburn stupid enough to try to pet the hammerpeede?[/u] [b]Perhaps his inquisitive, biologist nature that was talked about being absent in question #36 has finally got the better of him. Also, Fifield had just showed him that he had marajuana in his resperator. This could explain why Fifield is super paranoid as well as why Millburn wants to pet the hammerpeede. Fifield is paranoid because he's stoned and Millburn is trying to show off in order to impress Fifield so he'll share the marajuana.[/b] 15)[u]How is human dna and engineer dna a match yet there are differences between them?[/u] 16)[u]Why doesn't the crew ask David to translate Engineer writing when they find out there's a contagion loose?[/u] [b]When they find out Holloway's infected is the first sign of a contagion. At this point they are in the pyramid and find Millburn's body and see that Fifield is missing. They also see the hammerpeede scuttle off which scares them as well. The sh*t has hit the fan at this point.They don't think about or have time to ask David to translate anything as they are trying to hurry and get to the Prometheus to help Holloway. Besides, David is off on his own mission at the orrey in the Juggernaut.[/b] 17)[u]Why does Janek go to have sex with Vickers?[/u] [b]Seriously??? All joking aside, Janek is the captain of the ship. He's not responsible for anything scientific which is what the mapping of the pyramid is. Also, at this point he has told Fifield and Millburn to hunker down and not bugger each other and all is quiet. Finally, at this point, there has been no threat. Just what he believes to be glitches with the pups.[/b] 18)[u]Why does nobody get angry at Janek for dereliction of duty?[/u] [b]See above answer.[/b] 19)[u]Why does David infect Holloway for no reason?[/u] [b]Before David infects Holloway he has a conversation with Weyland who is in cryo. When David leaves he comes upon Vickers lurking in the corridors. She askes David what Weyland said. "He said to try harder" he tells her. Weyland wants to find out what the "black goo" is capable of without being the guinea pig. Could it make him immortal? Could it make him morph into an alien? Could it give him the runs? He tells David to infect someone. David picks the person he likes the least of the crew. [/b] 20)[u]Why does infected Holloway act ok and return to the temple putting his girlfriend and crew in danger?[/u] [b]Holloway has no idea he's infected. He dosn't know what David did. All that happened before they left for the pyramid was what he saw in his eye in the mirror. He could have been thinking he was seeing things due to cryo or space travel or whatever. He didn't display any pain until they were in the ampule room and at that point he asked Shaw if what was going on was bad.[/b] 21)[u]How does David know what 3 months pregnant looks like in terms of an alien?[/u] [b]David tells Shaw she's 3 months pregnant BEFORE he tells her it's not human. He's telling her she's 3 months pregnant in terms of the size of a human fetus at 3 months. He knows they haven't been there for 3 months and that the alien fetus couldn't be that old as they hadn't been there 3 months.[/b] 22)[u]Why does David put Shaw to sleep when she asks him to take the alien fetus out?[/u] [b]First, putting Shaw to sleep and in cryo is the most rational actions he could take as the med-pod only works on males and they don't have the personel to do the procedure.[/b] 23)[u]Why does Shaw not mention David's behavior to anyone after the c-section?[/u] [b]Because his behavior was totally rational.[/b] 24)[u]Why is nobody, especially David,curious about what happened to Shaw and her baby after the c-section?[/u] [b]David trumped Shaw's pregnancy with the surviving Engineer. After he was found, anything else was secondary - which includes Shaw's baby. And David was the only one who SAW the fetus. I doubt he said much, of if he did, he was deliberately vague. Weyland's only concern was meeting his "maker", and since Shaw was obviously alive and coherent, why would Weyland even care? He was on borrowed time, only days to live - if that. He's not going to give a crap about what Shaw was up to.[/b] 25)[u]Why does Janek assume that LV-233 is an "experimental weapons depot" located far away from the Engineer's home world?[/u] [b]Janek explains this himself to Shaw in the film.[/b] 26)[u]If LV-233 is in fact an "experimental weapons depot" why would the Engineers give humans a map to it?[/u] 27)[u]Why is the ships control system started by a flute and controlled with buttons instead of being contolled by a flute OR buttons exclusively?[/u] [b]Do cars start up when you push the gas pedal or stereo buttons? No. They start with keys. The flute is the key the Engineers chose.[/b] 28)[u]Why does the awakened Engineer attack instead of finding out what's going on?[/u] [b]He has just been awakened early from a long sleep by inferior beings who he and his kind created and now want to destroy. These inferior beings have somehow found them and the rest of his beings on the ship are dead. He sees them somewhat of a threat. He has no idea what they know or what they're capable of. Not physically, he knows he can handle them physically. He's worried about what they know about the Juggernauts on the planet and their plan to destroy mankind.[/b] 29)[u]Why do Janek's co-pilots offer up their lives so readily?[/u] [b]First ands foremost the fact that the lifeboat can only sustain life for 2 years means they are going to die before anyone can rescue them anyway. Also, Janek seems to be a boss that they definitely look up to and they obviously respect him to the utmost. Plus, how often do you get a chance to save the entire planet instead of running like a coward?[/b] 30)[u]Why doesn't Vickers run sideways to avoid crash?[/u] 31)[u]Why does the Juggernaut fall straight down during the crash instead of at an angle?[/u] 32)[u]How does a rock hold the crashing Juggernaut up, saving Shaw's life?[/u] [b]If you look you can see that the part of the Juggernaut that lands where Shaw is is sloped inward which means the part of the ship that hit the rock was also lower to the ground when the ship hits. If the ship is sitting flat on flat ground that part of the ship would not be touching the ground.[/b] 33)[u]Why does the Engineer go after Shaw with bare hands when there are more Juggernauts?[/u] [b]See question #28.[/b] 34)[u]How does Shaw's baby grow so big in a confined area with no food source?[/u] [b]The trilobite fetus grew at an alarming rate while inside with what would seem to be little nutrition from Shaw as from the time she had intercourse and was impregnated to the time of the c-section she had not eaten anything. The trilobite just continues this trend after the c-section. Or perhaps the trilobite ate some of the crew members we didn't see much of.[/b] 35)[u]Why does Shaw head for the Engineer's home when she knows they want to destroy humans?[/u] [b]To get answers. She states this at the end of the film. She doesn't care the cost. In her mind she will get answers from the Engineers or die and meet her maker and get answers that way.[/b] 36)[u]How did Shaw manage to acomplish all the feats of strength and daring after a very painful c-section?[/u] [b]Shaw gives herself painkilling shots during the c-section as well as after. The combination of future surgical tools and techniques, the ability of future drugs to kill pain as well as good ol' adrenaline could have easily helped her along.[/b] 37)[u]How did the Trilobite survive the sterilization process?[/u] [b]The Trilobite does have some human DNA and perhaps the Pauling Med-pod's sterilization process is not calibrated for human/alien hybrid parasite trilobite.[/b] 38)[u]Why is the Prometheus no equipped with weapons to blow the Juggernaut up instead of having to fly into it?[/u] [b]Scientific expedition. Not an attack ship.[/b]
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Indy John

MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 5:01 AM
"....She literally was between a rock and a hard place..." Perhaps if Vickers is an android..then just a part of her has to survive..for her charactor to advance to the next episode.. If David 'suvived' with just a head (Just how small is his giant computer brain?),,who is to say that a crushed Vickers just needs a small portion of her brain (wherever that is) to continue her part of the adventure
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 5:55 AM
Im glad they all died except shaw and david they were so bland and boring :D .

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 7:49 AM
Too much to answer but I thought that was a funny one: "30)Why doesn't Vickers run sideways to avoid crash? Because its a film." LOL so to you a realistic film always doesn't make sense? and: "38)Why is the Prometheus no equipped with weapons to blow the Juggernaut up instead of having to fly into it?" I think the real answer is ridley wanted the film to be more emotional but failed for anyone with half a brain realising how easy it would of been to have a lazer on prometheus or missiles ejector seats for the crew etc. etc.!

fluke

MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 10:39 AM
some of the attempted explanations are funny :D

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJul-17-2012 7:18 AM
Had to reply this thread. And I'm sorry if this causes any offence but 99% of these are just nitpicking questions, in fact only one of the questions references an actual plothole, and the only plothole in the film (see Question 26). 1)Is sacrificing one of their kind really the best way they have to create life on earth in the beginning of the film? Yes, if they want to ensure that the life created is imprinted with their DNA, and through the process of engineered evolution, result in the development of genetically sired children - us. 2)Why would Weyland spend so much money to fund a mission with no hard evidence that Shaw and Holloway's theories are correct? The keyword here is foreknowledge. Although it is never explicitly stated there is any, it is implied, especially through David's confidence when interfacing with their technology. Although one could argue his intelligence and learning of the Engineers language explains his behaviour, it doesn't explain it all. How did David know what to press, in what way and in what order - everytime? How did David know his freeze-spray would stop the urn from being triggered. How did David know he would be immune to the effects of the contents of the vials? Answer = foreknowledge. 3)Why is Shaw portrayed as a Christian believer yet she forms a hypothesis that contradicts Christian beliefs? Shaw is actually shown as a Scientist who just happens to be Christian. She went in search for God, found something else, something darker, but also mortal, reaffirming her faith in Gods existence. Her theories do not contradict Christian beliefs, they contradict [u]A[/u] Christian belief. Do you think all priests believe Adam and Eve actually existed? 4)Why was Weyland playing like he was dead and hiding in cryo besides plot reasons? -Facepalm- He states in the movies that he had only a few days left to live. With the possibility of uncovering the truth of the creation of the human race, and a chance to meet those creators, why wouldn't he put himself into stasis with the hope of meeting his maker - also stated in the movie. 5)Why is Vickers being Weyland's daughter kept a secret? It's called a twist. 6)Why does Vickers even go on the mission when it's against her best intrest in regards to taking over Weyland Industries? It's not in her best intrest if other "sharks" are on earth plotting to take over the company while she's on the mission. It is shown in the movie that while having their own separate agendas regarding the mission, bothe Vickers and David are working together to acquire the technology of the Engineers, advanced technology = money, Truth of mankinds origins = knowledge, which equals power and influence. BTW, regarding the answer in the OP - David is a Synthetic, not a Replicant. 7)Why does Weyland take the voyage instead of sending a probe and funding further medical research? He had days to live, and furthermore a mission means study and extraction, a probe just means observation. 8) Why does Weyland think he can appreciate or understand immortality or the Engineers reasoning and capabilities when he himself states that his creation, David, cannot appreciate the immortality he has been given because he has no soul? Again, he has days to live, and is greedy for more time having built an empire 9)Why does the crew rush into the temple instead of waiting for the pups to finish mapping? The OP answer is dead on... [i]They never go into any area of the pyramid that has not been mapped.[/i] 10)Why would the crew remove their helmets when they admit that, though breathable, it could still be dangerous? It is stated, quite clearly in the movie that the air is cleaner than that of Earth. 11)Why does David shine a flashlight at a hologram? Seriously, this is a question? 12)How does Fifield and Milburn get lost when Fifield is in charge of the pups? So that they can be mutated/killed off, why else? 13)Why are geologist Fifield and biologist Millburn not interested in the uber-important descoveries that the team make in the pyramid? Because they are the comic relief of the film. 14)Why is Millburn stupid enough to try to pet the hammerpeede? Because he's a biologist. 15)How is human dna and engineer dna a match yet there are differences between them? How has this not been answered. Take the opening scene, add the fact that the Engineers are almost physically identical to each other and at to that Shaws statement "Their DNA predates ours". The Engineers are an ancient race of humans, whom sired life on worlds sacrificing one of their own to seed life and through engineered evolution sire less evolved children from their DNA. 16)Why doesn't the crew ask David to translate Engineer writing when they find out there's a contagion loose? OP, I think this question actually refers to the first visit to the dome. The answer is awe. The team uncovered discovery after discovery, and as such were distracted. Had they had more time to take in what they were seeing then they may have asked David for a translation, but time was one thing they were always short of. 17)Why does Janek go to have sex with Vickers? Its night time, everyones busy doing their own thing and Vickers is flirting with him. How is this a question? 18)Why does nobody get angry at Janek for dereliction of duty? Because he's a fictional character in a movie. 19)Why does David infect Holloway for no reason? David has a reason. This substance is a weapon, intended for Earth. To test its affects he runs an experiment to see its affects should it be unleashed on Earth. Earth is filled with billions of consenting adults, and to his knowledge the only consenting adults on board the ship are Shaw and Holloway. 20)Why does infected Holloway act ok and return to the temple putting his girlfriend and crew in danger? Although freaked by the thing in his eye, Holloway is unaware he has been infected - a mute question? 21)How does David know what 3 months pregnant looks like in terms of an alien? OP answer is spot on... [i]David tells Shaw she's 3 months pregnant BEFORE he tells her it's not human. He's telling her she's 3 months pregnant in terms of the size of a human fetus at 3 months. He knows they haven't been there for 3 months and that the alien fetus couldn't be that old as they hadn't been there 3 months.[/i] 22)Why does David put Shaw to sleep when she asks him to take the alien fetus out? Although they would have the means to extract the foetus, they did not have the means to contain it alive. 23)Why does Shaw not mention David's behavior to anyone after the c-section? You mean after finding out that Weyland is actually alive, that they are going to wake up and Engineer and ask for eternal life. Davids behaviour was mute by that point? 24)Why is nobody, especially David,curious about what happened to Shaw and her baby after the c-section? OP is dead on again... [i]David trumped Shaw's pregnancy with the surviving Engineer. After he was found, anything else was secondary - which includes Shaw's baby. And David was the only one who SAW the fetus. I doubt he said much, of if he did, he was deliberately vague. Weyland's only concern was meeting his "maker", and since Shaw was obviously alive and coherent, why would Weyland even care? He was on borrowed time, only days to live - if that. He's not going to give a crap about what Shaw was up to.[/i] 25)Why does Janek assume that LV-233 is an "experimental weapons depot" located far away from the Engineer's home world? Big alien ship, filled with urns, themselves filled with deadly substances that have resulted in 3 deaths (plus the 5 fifield killed) = weapons depot. Barren world with only half a dozen domes and no other life = not the Engineers homeworld. 26)If LV-233 is in fact an "experimental weapons depot" why would the Engineers give humans a map to it? Whose to say it was a weapons depot when they pointed to it. The big head, the mural and the xeno-carving suggest the domes may orginally have been a neutral meeting place, where they intended to meet us when we had the means to travel there. 27)Why is the ships control system started by a flute and controlled with buttons instead of being contolled by a flute OR buttons exclusively? Because its an ALIEN SHIP. 28)Why does the awakened Engineer attack instead of finding out what's going on? Because the race he was meant to destroy 2000 years prior have survived because of his and his crews incompetence in unleashing their own weapon on themselves. 29)Why do Janek's co-pilots offer up their lives so readily? OP dead on again... [i]First ands foremost the fact that the lifeboat can only sustain life for 2 years means they are going to die before anyone can rescue them anyway. Also, Janek seems to be a boss that they definitely look up to and they obviously respect him to the utmost. Plus, how often do you get a chance to save the entire planet instead of running like a coward?[/i] 30)Why doesn't Vickers run sideways to avoid crash? Because its a film. 31)Why does the Juggernaut fall straight down during the crash instead of at an angle? To make for a more interesting crash. 32)How does a rock hold the crashing Juggernaut up, saving Shaw's life? Look at the ship in Alien - the arms point upwards. 33)Why does the Engineer go after Shaw with bare hands when there are more Juggernauts? Because he realised that because he let her go she was somehow responsible for him being knocked out of the sky, he was rightly annoyed. 34)How does Shaw's baby grow so big in a confined area with no food source? OP is dead on, almost... [i]The trilobite fetus grew at an alarming rate while inside with what would seem to be little nutrition from Shaw as from the time she had intercourse and was impregnated to the time of the c-section she had not eaten anything. The trilobite just continues this trend after the c-section.[/i] Except for this... [i]Or perhaps the trilobite ate some of the crew members we didn't see much of.[/i] All deaths are actually accounted for 35)Why does Shaw head for the Engineer's home when she knows they want to destroy humans? OP, is dead on again... [i]To get answers. She states this at the end of the film. She doesn't care the cost. In her mind she will get answers from the Engineers or die and meet her maker and get answers that way.[/i] 36)How did Shaw manage to acomplish all the feats of strength and daring after a very painful c-section? OP is dead on again... [i]Shaw gives herself painkilling shots during the c-section as well as after. The combination of future surgical tools and techniques, the ability of future drugs to kill pain as well as good ol' adrenaline could have easily helped her along.[/i] 37)How did the Trilobite survive the sterilization process? The Trilobite is shown to initially be affected but obviously this was short lived. The answer lies in Alien - the Facehugger was able to change the composition of its skin to survive, the Trilobite being a (overgrown) Facehugger would therfore have the same trait. 38)Why is the Prometheus no equipped with weapons to blow the Juggernaut up instead of having to fly into it? OP is dead on again... [i]Scientific expedition. Not an attack ship. [/i]

oduodu

MemberXenomorphJul-17-2012 3:39 PM
Hi engineering Brilliant thread 2 questions sir What on earth is the skull face thing on the mountain and what does it mean? It scared the living sh@t out of me ! Who made it and how ?

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 3:47 PM
It was actually left over from dune - how the fek it got into this movie makes me laugh - kinda explains how thought out it all was :D [url=http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/14/prometheus-borrows-giger-designs-from-jodorowskys-unmade-dune/]see here[/url]

oduodu

MemberXenomorphJul-17-2012 4:14 PM
Thanks crabfart. As to its meaning ? Another 5 questions. Is it by design that the alien eggs are very similar in shape to the ampules ? When david activates the holographic replay in the tunnel of the running engineers there is a terrible screaching / screaming sound just before the engineers appear. Is it my imagination or does it sound exactly like the deacon's screach at the end of the movie ? Is it an accident that storm's centre seems to come exactly over the scull head mountain and exactly when the murals start to change? Why does the murals change ? What is it that the pup picks up during the storm that is one click west of fifield and milburn ?

zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-17-2012 10:46 PM
@Crabfart: The guards (and single gun) were there primarily to protect Weyland. I'm sure that Weyland never dreamt of using them to blast the shit out of alien gods. And flame throwers have lots of uses apart from being a handy weapon. There's no way that Prometheus was going to be any kind of battleship.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:17 AM
@zzplural And so this makes them all look more like dumb asses. A hand gun and flame thrower to protect weyland from what -it was a science mission according to you LOL ! Weyland is supposed to be a genius and he goes out without protection hmmm. Bullshit! Its all about building tension / making it more emotional and sacrificing realisticness ! And so like I said anyone with half a brain thinks whaaaat and starts to hate the film. And ok how about a little rocket launcher for tactical nuclear missiles or a hand held lazer or microwave blaster - I am sure they would have something a bit more powerful by then! Let me ask you a question: if you were a genius with unlimited amounts of money / weapons at your disposal would you A : leave them behind or B : take them with you just in case? TBH he would of done allot more than take a few weapons with him in real life LOL

zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 2:30 PM
@Crabby: IIRC, the gun was not a handgun. It was a fair bit larger than that. The guards were there to protect Weyland from [i]the crew[/i]. Did you not notice them standing guard outside his room? The flame thrower was used in the main airlock as precautionary decontamination measure. Weyland only had a few days to live. This was the end of the road for him. Did you not hear him explain this? Whatever happened at the end of the journey, his fate was sealed. He had no expectation of fighting aliens - quite the opposite - and it would have been pointless to have done so in any case. To answer your question directly, I might well have done exactly the same thing in his position. But I'm not as mean as him. I wouldn't have instructed the guard to shoot Shaw if she didn't shut up, for example.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 4:17 PM
Erm one massive hole in your thinking : vickers and david his 2 offspring - if you think he wouldn't bring any big guns cos he didnt care about himself what about them LOL ! So by your thinking Weyland was saying to himself: "Hmm shall I take that new big lazer gun and missle launcher we got in our military section - bound not to be useful - no. " LOL so funny! You cant seriously think that! Like all the people in this film they are supposed to be clever but do the most utterly stupid stuff I ever seen! Unfortunately is what brings the film down ultimately :( ...its so blindingly obvious realism was sacrificed for theatrical impact - big mistake!

zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 6:04 PM
I have no doubt whatsoever that the only person Weyland cares about is himself. He didn't even know that Vickers was on the ship until he was revived. And - please - he couldn't give a damn about the fate of a robot. I don't know how many times I have to tell you that blowing aliens to smithereens was absolutely the last thing on his mind for reasons that he stated himself. Tell me. Please. What. Would. That. Achieve?
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJul-19-2012 6:24 AM
He didnt look surprised she was aboard tho and even if he wasnt a nice man hes not a stupid man - he would of protected him self and his 'kids' for sure. He even says david was the closest thing he has to a son. They. Would. Be. Alive. Being alive not good for you? Maybe were you come from people with basic logic and survival skills don't exist but from were I am they do :S !

zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-19-2012 8:08 AM
If you thought for an instant that you could defend yourself for one instant against a hostile advanced alien race, then you would be the fool. Weyland was no fool. He was persuaded that the Prometheus mission was the answer to his prayers, and that they would be greeted by a benevolent superior race. His IQ would have to be substantially below 50 to even dream that - should things go pear-shaped - you could fight your way out of trouble. It would have been completely pointless to 'protect himself': They. Would. [b]Not.[/b] Be. Alive. Because. They. Would. Never. Win. Such. A. Fight. Not. In. A. Million. Years. Why waste, time, resources and planning on such a stupid idea? Did you see any space lasers in 2001 A Space Odyssey? Nope. You've been watching too many Star Wars movies, mate.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Indy John

MemberOvomorphJul-19-2012 8:57 AM
"..He was persuaded that the Prometheus mission was the answer to his prayers, ." THis is plotline I had not considered ... somebody using Weyland to fund/develop the Prometheus Mission.. But for Peter Weyland to bring his 'son' and daughter along leaving his lifelong Corp. at the hands of others.. hmm THat's it. An element of the Weyland Corp wants to take over the Company. What better way than to get the owner to commit to a search for immortality..using Company resources..and let Peter lead an exploration force to a distant world,,and probale disaster..
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life

zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-19-2012 10:00 AM
Might have been convenient for someone on the board, perhaps. But I'm sure he was in control all the time. He's such a powerful and controlling character. His first words in the movie: "Hello, friends". That's pretty chilling. You know he doesn't really mean it in the slightest. But he is so arrogant that he uses the word anyway, and either doesn't care or doesn't mind that the audience aren't his friends at all. Similarly, when he says "So pleased you could join us, Dr. Shaw" when they're off to see the Engineer. You just know he's only making noises and has complete disregard for his fellow man. "Smells fine to me". What a put-down if ever there was one. No, I think he was just drawn into it, like Haddon was in [i]Contact[/i].
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Crabfart

MemberOvomorphJul-19-2012 3:47 PM
Another god awful film :P ... Not that I hate everything about prometheus just the stupid bits :( ...

vulkus

MemberOvomorphJul-24-2012 12:56 AM
@oduodu The big skull face, IMO was actually a big head. As the engineers appear to be fascinated with giant heads. But most likely a couple of millennia of silica storms have eroded the face to look more skeletal.

geopap

MemberOvomorphJul-24-2012 10:47 AM
I will defend once again my theory that David has been in this ship before (but in a future time), by making the assumption that the big head in the temple is David's head. What if the alien ship is a time machine and the engineers travelled back in time and what we actually see is our species in thousands years ahead of our time. If someone could go back in time before ww2 for example and killed Hitler, the ww2 would never happen. What if the engineers tried to change their past and the alien sculpture we see on the wall is the alien at the end of the scene, being left there as a mark to solve the puzzle and understand that this ship is from the same universe but from another time (entropy can be slowed down with hyper speed), so that the expedition crew would leave the planet without interfering at all with the goo and the engineers. If David really discovered the "divine ambrosia" of the engineers, could he really be the mythological Prometheus who gave fire to men? Maybe that's why the last engineer is trying to kill everybody in the last scene, he maybe wanted to prevent them from taking the alien ship and change the flow of events to a result that the engineers wouldn't like in the future in their present. If David8 is Prometheus then Dr Shaw is Pandora according to the ancient Greek myth. -big things have small beginnings- but on the other hand -he who controls the past controls the future-. Another clue also that Ridley left for us to see, is the strange similarity of the snake's head in the temple with Weyland's corporation logo, a creation of Weyland co. in the far future. Maybe these ideas about space folding journeys and bio-technology were in primal stages at the time the journey to LV-223 took place. The fact also that the engineers were speculated to be 2000 years old, which coincides with the coming of Christ on Earth, is maybe an interference to the past so that they can change their present. In my opinion this is why David8 found out that they were leaving to Earth, actually this is their home but in a far future from now. In this [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvx1xr88qfM]strange[/url] autocratic and pompous speech, Peter Weyland at about 1:50 makes a reference to the M-theory, which maybe in primal spacecraft engineering technology could have allowed the "Prometheus" ship to travel so fast to LV-223. The engineers of course must have taken this technology which uses hyper-strings to an advanced or perfect level so that it must have allowed them to interfere with time flow. Here is an [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory]article[/url] about M-theory. If in the future the corrupted Weyland co. managed to be the ruler of planet Earth and a team of Engineers found a way to interfere with the past, then this explains David's quote "Sometimes in order to create, first one must destroy", was David really aware of what was happening? Did the last engineer headed to Earth in order to destroy the Weyland co. and change the future to a corporate free world?
"... and the sea will grant each man new hope, as sleep brings dreams of home." Christopher Columbus.

HuDs0n

MemberOvomorphJul-27-2012 5:48 PM
Others have made this point, & I tend to agree with it. That the engineers are the gardeners of the universe. Seeding planets. Weeding planets of undesirable, troublesome weeds(humans) that spread where they are not wanted. I think that’s why they want us dead. Its just a tactical move of preservation against the technologically evolving human race. ...or maybe were a failed experiment. Why haven’t the engineers home planet sent a rescue team to LV-233? I think the fallen engineers had a 'broken arrow' on their hands & followed a protocol to quarantine the planet. or....seeing as these beings are used to cryosleep, deep space travel, (not to mention the time it takes to watch the evolution of the human race experiment) their home planet might just be too far away to expect a rescue in a mere 2k years. Why did Shaws fetus grow to be such a large creature? We all know that the xenos have an adaptive survival trait of taking on some attributes of its host. It makes sense to me, that growth would be the basic primal function of an alien zygote going thru embryogenesis. The black goo. Well...I see it as the Nano-tech version of fire that was given to man. Capable of doing wonderful things, or terrible things. Especially in the wrong hands. How about this one.....The xenos were created by the engineers. Revered by the engineers as one of their greatest creations. Admired (as Ash put it..) for their purity & perfection. Since we’ve seen that the engineers can be sacrificial when it comes to creating life, it seems plausible to me that they could sacrifice one of their kind to a face hugger at the altar below the mural. This lifecycle is clearly depicted in the mural, & the xenos DO share the same bio-mechanical look of the engineers.

badmanselecta

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 6:43 AM
most of the discussions in this forum are interpretations of unexplained events that don't have a big impact on the ALIEN story ,however.my problem is this!!!! the engineer attempting to fly away gets knocked from the sky and crashes,he then attempts to kill the woman in the escape shuttle..(assuming there was only one living engineer in this movie) how then in ALIEN do you see the engineer still sitting in the cockpit of the alien crashed aircraft discovered by Riply's crew...if you make a sequel plz incorporate a second engineer in a back story to explain this or ill puke all over the theater. that last scene killed the story line continuity for me..btw AVP were so bad that i dint count them!! not to mention the alien evolution theory witch destroys the AVP timeline.barf!!

zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 12:57 PM
Lest anyone imagine that I'm immune to any potential faults in Prometheus (I'm not, but most ranting pitfalls that I've seen are nothing of the sort), I'd like to add my own observation: Near the beginning where Shaw pokes her torch through a bit of rubble to see the cave where the paintings are found, she shouts out 'Get Charlie!' Her assistant duly does so by exiting the cave and calling for 'Doctor Holloway!'. Shaw adds to this 'Come quickly!' for Holloway's benefit, a few seconds later. The problem is, unless Holloway takes a route via Nepal, he's never going to get there before the tunnel has been cleared, is he? And yet, when he gets there, a plastic sheet is swept aside, and he wanders unhindered into the tunnel to find his life's dreams. It's not something that's going to have me biting my pillow at night, however.
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Costaguana

MemberOvomorphJul-30-2012 5:57 PM
@ badmanselecta - the events of Prometheus took place on a different planet than the events in the movie Alien.

Costaguana

MemberOvomorphJul-30-2012 6:10 PM
IMHO, speculating that the "ancient star maps" were a warning is a bit like saying that putting a picture of a bottle on the fridge with an arrow pointing to is a good way of warning your kids NOT to drink the contents of that bottle.

Custodian

MemberOvomorphAug-08-2012 9:17 AM
I love the way you're all (haven't we all) trying to salvage some common sense from the non-sense that is the Prometheus script. I mean, admittedly, Prometheus was a VALIANT(30 years later)STAB at the ultimate question, "What is the Space Jockey?" but it was so far away from that answer and didn't "Scare the shit out of this audience," that it's just a real shame. I'm gonna get the DVD, because I've only seen it once, maybe I'll enjoy it more when I've griped and cried like a baby for more than a month. L.O.L.
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Han Solo

MemberOvomorphAug-08-2012 9:44 PM
Where in the movie it ever say vickers was Weylands daughter? She called him father because he created her? Possible she was like David? Weyland said David was like son... I still believe the engineers are outcasts, much like lucifer and his angels (they can summon demons)... The engineer home world must be close by, engineer life support wouldn't, work on humans would it Just thoughts

sololcm

MemberOvomorphSep-05-2012 6:35 AM
How did the last Engineer get to the Backup ship to kill Shaw without wearing his space suit? First, The Engineers share the same DNA with human, which means they would need a Earth-like atmosphere. This was proven with the air in Engineer's ship was even cleaner than earth's. It was logical that Engineer would need their space armor ..... because they cannot survive with toxic air on that planet.

Molecular

MemberOvomorphSep-07-2012 1:32 PM
[b]1) Is sacrificing one of their kind really the best way they have to create life on earth in the beginning of the film?[/b] Maybe what Ridley is trying to imply is... it's not only the best way, it's the [i]only[/i] way. Allow me to explain. See, we assume that life is, at it's core, the result of random, complex biochemical interactions which have developed mechanisms for reproduction. Life is the "anti-entropy" force in the universe; entropy is the natural tendency towards disorder (minimum energy state) and life is the exact opposite. Organisms have developed systems (organs) to optimize this process through specialization, enabling them to fight entropy long enough for reproduction to take place. Reproduction is necessary as the process of fighting entropy in and of itself contributes to more entropy (cellular damage) and so eventually, the body can no longer sustain itself and the next generation must carry the torch. We've tried ourselves to create artificial life, and we've made some interesting breakthroughs recently- but many in the scientific community still feel that these simple constructs are not genuinely alive. Rather, they are only more complex constructs that still lack the critical element of self-direction. To clarify: we are not merely alive, but [i]driven to live[/i] (and remain that way, as long as possible). So... what is this drive? If everything is ultimately physics, then this "life force/soul/conscious energy" would be the "dark matter" of biological science that could potentially complete our understanding of what constitutes something as genuinely alive. So maybe what the Engineers have accomplished is to discover the physics behind that, in the process realizing that life force is not something you create- you can only transfer it. If that is the case, they would not be able to "create" life by simply firing Black Goo containers into the atmosphere or oceans of host planets; rather, the Black Goo requires something already alive to jump-start the process. And whether that goo is tuned to tear down and reconstruct, or reorder, or whatever- it doesn't really matter as long as the raw material it comes into contact with is already alive. Look at David, for example. He outright touches the goo and nothing happens. "But he's a machine, of course not!" Wait a minute... not so fast... if the xeno is truly biomechanical (it is), and if the goo is partially derived from that, then David should have experienced something, no? But he didn't- because the goo doesn't register him as something that is genuinely alive. Yeah... he may have consciousness, intelligence, and self awareness- but consciousness may only be a phenomenon based on complexity, independent of life force. After all, we would never argue that a roach is alive and driven to survive- but it's brain is clearly more simple. Sorry for the long post- and if this idea has been posited before, my bad as I didn't search everything before writing. =)

Janus0104

MemberOvomorphSep-10-2012 3:49 PM
[u]15)How is human dna and engineer dna a match yet there are differences between them?[/u] It's not a 100% match, it's a partial match, as shown on the readout: [img]http://imgbin.org/images/9464.jpg[/img] Yellow is match, red is engineer-only DNA. It's different quite a bit. I'm no DNA specialist but this readout is confusing, there are 40 bars shown. The number and the way it is displayed suggest these are not chromosomes, so the only possible deduction other than flawed Hollywood science is that these are compound representations of the over 20.000 genes in the human / engineering genome. To quote wikipedia, only about 1.5% of the genome codes for proteins, while the rest consists of non-coding RNA genes, regulatory sequences, introns, and noncoding DNA. At this point, we don't know how all of this works and interacts. I.e. we have no idea what parts of the DNA actually match and what effect those parts have. Each human individual roughly differs from the 'average human' by 4 Megabytes of contained data, while the entire genome stores around 800 Megabytes of data. Those red parts on the read-out look like more than 1% difference to me, so there is considerable room for difference in the outcome. Noncoding DNA, which makes up most of the genome, are not to be confused with non-functional, in fact most genetic diseases in humans are found to be in those areas. This noncoding DNA is specifically used for evidence of common descent. As such, the readout might just tell us that matches in noncoding DNA has been found to be big enough to evidence a common descent of humans and engineers.
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