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MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 12:28 PM********THIS THREAD IS A WORK IN PROGRESS********
These are truncated interpretations of forum members "plot holes" or unaswered questions along with answers and explainations from various members...
1)[u]Is sacrificing one of their kind really the best way they have to create life on earth in the beginning of the film?[/u]
2)[u]Why would Weyland spend so much money to fund a mission with no hard evidence that Shaw and Holloway's theories are correct?[/u]
[b]He's a multi-quadrillionaire or mega-rich for that matter. Money is no object and immortality is his only desire.[/b]
3)[u]Why is Shaw portrayed as a Christian believer yet she forms a hypothesis that contradicts Christian beliefs?[/u]
[b]In the film someone says that her beliefs are incorrect because the Engineers created humans. She answers with "Yes, but who made them?" She has her own beliefs that are obviously based in Christianity but every Christian does not believe or worship in the same way.[/b]
4)[u]Why was Weyland playing like he was dead and hiding in cryo besides plot reasons?[/u]
[b]He was in cryo to preserve the short time he had to live. As far as why he hid it from the crew perhaps he's an eccentric multi-quadrillionaire who likes to mess with people's heads. Or, if the comany and share holders believe he's dead he could be doing it for some business reasons.[/b]
5)[u]Why is Vickers being Weyland's daughter kept a secret?[/u]
[b]Vickers being Weyland's daughter is kept secret from the audience. Never in the film does it suggest that this fact is kept from the crew. She has a different last name but that doesn't mean that the last name was made up. Maybe a married name or she kept her mother's last name.[/b]
6)[u]Why does Vickers even go on the mission when it's against her best intrest in regards to taking over Weyland Industries? It's not in her best intrest if other "sharks" are on earth plotting to take over the company while she's on the mission.[/u]
[b]For one Weyland is not dead so the company is still his. Also, Vickers obviously has daddy issues. Her father prefers a replicant to her. Her father is dying. She expresses that in her opinion the mission is a joke and will not be successful therefore she believes her father is going to die on the mission. She looks at the mission as her last chance to redeem herself or win her father's love away from David.[/b]
7)[u]Why does Weyland take the voyage instead of sending a probe and funding further medical research?[/u]
[b]What medical research is going to uncover immortality?[/b]
8)[u]Why does Weyland think he can appreciate or understand immortality or the Engineers reasoning and capabilities when he himself states that his creatioin, David, cannot appreciate the immortality he has been given because he has no soul?[/u]
[b]Again, he's an eccentric, multi-quadrillionaire. He created another lifeform. He also obviously thinks he is on equal footing with the gods or Engineers. He is incredibly self rightious. And, unlike David, he has a soul.[/b]
9)[u]Why does the crew rush into the temple instead of waiting for the pups to finish mapping?[/u]
[b]They never go into any area of the pyramid that has not been mapped.[/b]
10)[u]Why would the crew remove their helmets when they admit that,
though breathable, it could still be dangerous?[/u]
[b]Once they find out it's breathable they never say anything about a chance of it still being dangerous. In fact, someone states that the air is, in fact, cleaner than earth's air.[/b]
11)[u]Why does David shine a flashlight at a hologram?[/u]
[b]He's in a very dark place and has a flashlight in his hand. When most people are in the dark and hear or see something moving they usually will shine said flashlight in that direction.[/b]
12)[u]How does Fifield and Milburn get lost when Fifield is in charge of the pups?[/u]
[b]The pup readout was loading to the display on the ship, Fifield had a piece of the equipment that showed them the readout however when he and Millburn decided to leave rather near their point of entry he had to leave the equipment with the crew who were staying so they could continue to find their way. Fifield and Millburn being men both think they can find their own way and don't bother contacting Janek for directions. Then the storm hits knocking out contact.[/b]
13)[u]Why are geologist Fifield and biologist Millburn not interested in the uber-important descoveries that the team make in the pyramid?[/u]
[b]It's possible that they are too frightened to care about their careers at that point. Or better yet they are interested but are smart enough to hang back until the pyramid is found to be safe and without threat.[/b]
14)[u]Why is Millburn stupid enough to try to pet the hammerpeede?[/u]
[b]Perhaps his inquisitive, biologist nature that was talked about being absent in question #36 has finally got the better of him. Also, Fifield had just showed him that he had marajuana in his resperator. This could explain why Fifield is super paranoid as well as why Millburn wants to pet the hammerpeede. Fifield is paranoid because he's stoned and Millburn is trying to show off in order to impress Fifield so he'll share the marajuana.[/b]
15)[u]How is human dna and engineer dna a match yet there are differences between them?[/u]
16)[u]Why doesn't the crew ask David to translate Engineer writing when they find out there's a contagion loose?[/u]
[b]When they find out Holloway's infected is the first sign of a contagion. At this point they are in the pyramid and find Millburn's body and see that Fifield is missing. They also see the hammerpeede scuttle off which scares them as well. The sh*t has hit the fan at this point.They don't think about or have time to ask David to translate anything as they are trying to hurry
and get to the Prometheus to help Holloway. Besides, David is off on his own mission at the orrey in the Juggernaut.[/b]
17)[u]Why does Janek go to have sex with Vickers?[/u]
[b]Seriously??? All joking aside, Janek is the captain of the ship. He's not responsible for anything scientific which is what the mapping of the pyramid is. Also, at this point he has told Fifield and Millburn to hunker down and not bugger each other and all is quiet. Finally, at this point, there has been no threat. Just what he believes to be glitches with the pups.[/b]
18)[u]Why does nobody get angry at Janek for dereliction of duty?[/u]
[b]See above answer.[/b]
19)[u]Why does David infect Holloway for no reason?[/u]
[b]Before David infects Holloway he has a conversation with Weyland who is in cryo. When David leaves he comes upon Vickers lurking in the corridors. She askes David what Weyland said. "He said to try harder" he tells her. Weyland wants to find out what the "black goo" is capable of without being the guinea pig. Could it make him immortal? Could it make him morph into an alien? Could it give him the runs? He tells David to infect someone. David picks the person he likes the least of the crew. [/b]
20)[u]Why does infected Holloway act ok and return to the temple putting his girlfriend and crew in danger?[/u]
[b]Holloway has no idea he's infected. He dosn't know what David did. All that happened before they left for the pyramid was what he saw in his eye in the mirror. He could have been thinking he was seeing things due to cryo or space travel or whatever. He didn't display any pain until they were in the ampule room and at that point he asked Shaw if what was going on was bad.[/b]
21)[u]How does David know what 3 months pregnant looks like in terms of an alien?[/u]
[b]David tells Shaw she's 3 months pregnant BEFORE he tells her it's not human. He's telling her she's 3 months pregnant in terms of the size of a human fetus at 3 months. He knows they haven't been there for 3 months and that the alien fetus couldn't be that old as they hadn't been there 3 months.[/b]
22)[u]Why does David put Shaw to sleep when she asks him to take the alien fetus out?[/u]
[b]First, putting Shaw to sleep and in cryo is the most rational actions he could take as the med-pod only works on males and they don't have the personel to do the procedure.[/b]
23)[u]Why does Shaw not mention David's behavior to anyone after the c-section?[/u]
[b]Because his behavior was totally rational.[/b]
24)[u]Why is nobody, especially David,curious about what happened to Shaw and her baby after the c-section?[/u]
[b]David trumped Shaw's pregnancy with the surviving Engineer. After he was found, anything else was secondary - which includes Shaw's baby. And David was the only one who SAW the fetus. I doubt he said much, of if he did, he was deliberately vague. Weyland's only concern was meeting his "maker", and since Shaw was obviously alive and coherent, why would Weyland even care? He was on borrowed time, only days to live - if that. He's not going to give a crap about what Shaw was up to.[/b]
25)[u]Why does Janek assume that LV-233 is an "experimental weapons depot" located far away from the Engineer's home world?[/u]
[b]Janek explains this himself to Shaw in the film.[/b]
26)[u]If LV-233 is in fact an "experimental weapons depot" why would the Engineers give humans a map to it?[/u]
27)[u]Why is the ships control system started by a flute and controlled with buttons instead of being contolled by a flute OR buttons exclusively?[/u]
[b]Do cars start up when you push the gas pedal or stereo buttons? No. They start with keys. The flute is the key the Engineers chose.[/b]
28)[u]Why does the awakened Engineer attack instead of finding out what's going on?[/u]
[b]He has just been awakened early from a long sleep by inferior beings who he and his kind created and now want to destroy. These inferior beings have somehow found them and the rest of his beings on the ship are dead. He sees them somewhat of a threat. He has no idea what they know or what they're capable of. Not physically, he knows he can handle them physically. He's worried about what they know about the Juggernauts on the planet and their plan to destroy mankind.[/b]
29)[u]Why do Janek's co-pilots offer up their lives so readily?[/u]
[b]First ands foremost the fact that the lifeboat can only sustain life for 2 years means they are going to die before anyone can rescue them anyway. Also, Janek seems to be a boss that they definitely look up to and they obviously respect him to the utmost. Plus, how often do you get a chance to save the entire planet instead of running like a coward?[/b]
30)[u]Why doesn't Vickers run sideways to avoid crash?[/u]
31)[u]Why does the Juggernaut fall straight down during the crash instead of at an angle?[/u]
32)[u]How does a rock hold the crashing Juggernaut up, saving Shaw's life?[/u]
[b]If you look you can see that the part of the Juggernaut that lands where Shaw is is sloped inward which means the part of the ship that hit the rock was also lower to the ground when the ship hits. If the ship is sitting flat on flat ground that part of the ship would not be touching the ground.[/b]
33)[u]Why does the Engineer go after Shaw with bare hands when there are more Juggernauts?[/u]
[b]See question #28.[/b]
34)[u]How does Shaw's baby grow so big in a confined area with no food source?[/u]
[b]The trilobite fetus grew at an alarming rate while inside with what would seem to be little nutrition from Shaw as from the time she had intercourse and was impregnated to the time of the c-section she had not eaten anything. The trilobite just continues this trend after the c-section. Or perhaps the trilobite ate some of the crew members we didn't see much of.[/b]
35)[u]Why does Shaw head for the Engineer's home when she knows they want to destroy humans?[/u]
[b]To get answers. She states this at the end of the film. She doesn't care the cost. In her mind she will get answers from the Engineers or die and meet her maker and get answers that way.[/b]
36)[u]How did Shaw manage to acomplish all the feats of strength and daring after a very painful c-section?[/u]
[b]Shaw gives herself painkilling shots during the c-section as well as after. The combination of future surgical tools and techniques, the ability of future drugs to kill pain as well as good ol' adrenaline could have easily helped her along.[/b]
37)[u]How did the Trilobite survive the sterilization process?[/u]
[b]The Trilobite does have some human DNA and perhaps the Pauling Med-pod's sterilization process is not calibrated for human/alien hybrid parasite trilobite.[/b]
38)[u]Why is the Prometheus no equipped with weapons to blow the Juggernaut up instead of having to fly into it?[/u]
[b]Scientific expedition. Not an attack ship.[/b]
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 2:51 PM@Sparty...
[i]"@Seloga
Snorky & I have been debating this for the better part of 2 years until the interview with the LA times in which RS told us he doesn't count anything after Cameron's sequel."
[/i]
Thanks for that! I've been wondering where Scott's canon for Prometheus ended in regards to the Alien franchise!
[i]"it was in response to your answer to androids are trouble right above all that!
hope that helps. let me know. You & Snorky need to have one of these hash outs so you can see what I mean.
"[/i]
Still kind of confused. I think that you think I was talking about androids when I was really talking about the Engineers or something???
Please copy and paste the quote you are talking about so I can defend myself lol!
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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 2:54 PMWoah there Sparky, the viral website references penal colonies, a la Alien 3

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 2:59 PM@ Engineering,
wouldn't take too much credence in "Cineflex". Rely instead on logic, the mural clearly depicts a Xenomorph, the mural which is at least 2000 years old, therefore the Xenomorph existed well before the events of Prometheus.
As backed up my Ridleys statement about the derelict craft on LV-426, itself hinted at in Alien with the decayed suit of the dead engineer.
Also AVP is a whole other argument, but there has been no official statement regards the two films canon status, for or against.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:00 PM@Engineering,
my sincere apologies I checked and it was in response to this comment by Seloga...[quote]Is there connection between Alien vs Predator and Prometheus ? Because is supposed that in Prometheus we are witnesses of the origins of the Aliens. So why there are Aliens in the Alien vs Predator movies if they are many years before these events?[/quote]

AndroidsAreTrouble
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:14 PMI thought the mural changed. Not sure what that means as to the history of the xeno.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:17 PMOoooo, juicy stuff.
I will rely somewhat on the Cinefex article as all but 1 of the statements I quoted were from the people that worked on the film. Especially the quote regarding the Deacon being the beginning of "Giger's creature" and that creature being the xenomorph.
I don't think that the mural "clearly" depicts a xeno. Could be a grown Deacon if you ask me.
But, you have me in regards to Ridley's copmments regarding LV-426.
Trust me, I want NOTHING ELSE than for the Deacon to be a new creature that will not develop into the xenomorph.
There's obviously a TON of conflicting info and I think it should be considered as long as it's from a credible source. I think the guy that designed the Deacon is a credible source who obviously had close relations with Scott while designing the creature.
As far as AvP if it was canon then Weyland would have died looong before Prometheus as AvP took place modern day back in 2004. Weyland was pretty old and there's no way he could have survived that long. Plus Weyland was younger during the TED speach of 2023 than he was in 2004 in AvP.
Thanks so much for the stimulating debate!
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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 3:18 PMI was referring to this Mural ...
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img]

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:26 PM@Sparty...All good! Glad it's cleared up!
Back to the Deacon and xeno debate...
While I think this film and the direction it will take as well as it's relation to the Alien franchise was well thought out I do also believe that there are going to be a few contradictions. There's no way that they could have covered absolutely everything. And in regards to Scott's comments about the derelict on LV-426 and the timeline, to my knowledge those comments were made pre-Prometheus and not dealt with in any of the films. He could have changed his mind as to the timeline. Or maybe the xeno we know from Alien has already been created but the Deacon is an early step in the process to get to the xeno. Does that make sense?
I don't know. And as I've said I'd rather not see the xeno's origin as I'd like the wonderful secrets of Alien that are left to remain just that...wonderful secrets. But I don't think there's sufficient evidence yet to say with certainty that the Deacon is a pre-xeno or is a post xeno.
Just my 2.
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:28 PMI know exactly which mural you were referring to. The xeno and Deacon look so much alike and the fact that we haven't seen a full grown Deacon leads me to state that we can't tell which one that is.
I'm not saying you're wrong. Just stating that it's not 100% clear either way.
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Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 3:29 PMThe mural I posted above already existed within the chamber, it does not change and it clearly depicts a Xenomorph. You cannot create a mural of something that will not exist for another 2000 years through an accidental chain of events.
Combine that with the fact that the derelict craft on LV-426 has been there for thousands of years and you have the inevitable, logical truth that the Xenomorph already existed thousands (if not more) years before the Prometheus lands there.
I have also seen people asking what killed the Engineers, what infecting the Engineer decapitated by the door. The answer is the Xenomorph - the urns are a method of deploying the xenomorph into an ecosystem. One or more of the urns was triggered by the Engineers and a Xenomorph infestation ensued - compare two (maybe more) of the dead Engineers in the pile, they are huddled in the same position as when Ripley found Dallas in Alien.
Finally regards the Weyland comments...
Peter Weyland is in Prometheus and the 2023 TED talk video - Born 1990, died 2093/4. He is not in AVP, that is Charles Bishop Weyland, died 2004.
CB Weyland founded Weyland Industries, P Weyland founded Weyland Corporation.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:43 PMOhhhh, burnt me on AvP! Not sure why the hell I thought they were the same guy.
As far as everything else, it seems you're the type that think a lot of your speculations, theories and opinions are fact or scripture as displayed in a lot of you're last post. Usually when I get in a friendly debate with people of this ilk it ends up more of an argument than a friendly exchange of ideas.
The mural clearly depicting a xeno is an opinion not a fact.
I don't think it clearly depicts a xeno. I think it looks a lot like a Deacon as well. Could be a grown Deacon. These are my opinions. I do not state them as facts as you do.
And to say that the xenomorph is what infected the Engineers well, that's as non-factual as you can get. If it was the xenos that infected them why did the heads of the engineers explode? Why didn't they continue to turn into eggs? If Scott is using Aliens as cannon as you obviously believe with your Alien 3 prison colony statement then why are they turning into eggs when that lifecycle isn't the canon being used? Regardless, as I said, that statement is as non-factual as a statement could be yet you still state it as fact.
It was enjoyable at first and as an open minded individual I learned a lot from our discussion but I will now bow out.
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:50 PMBTW...I edited and updated the post above.
Also, no hard feelings from my end. As I said, I never was stating you were wrong. I was stating that certain aspects of your posts weren't facts.
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R&D Engineer
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 3:54 PMTo me the movie has so many technical (and logical) flaws. A quick sketch of them:
1) This mission is even more important for mankind than even sending the first man in space and men on the Moon. I have extremely hard time imagining the chief of this mission putting together a crew the way it was put together in Prometheus. Remember the strict screening for the Russians' space program (to put the first man in space) and then the Apollo missions... And 150 years later you send a bunch like the one we saw in Prometheus to meet the God? Wow! I wouldn't! OK, Wayland's corporation probably has influence over the whole Earth's government but still...
2) Flame-throwers in the end of 21-st century... Comeon, mankind can do better than that!
3) Taking helmets off in a TOTALLY unknown environment. Even if this environment is completely sterile (let's imagine the crew of Prometheus could run such a test in a second), it is the crew who can contaminate this sterile environment with the countless bacteria that live inside us. Something we should not do. So OK, sorry, but taking helmets off was a flaw in this movie.
4) The total lack of any protocol. Except the Vickers' order "You don't contact them, you don't engage them, you report directly to me". Which in it's own is a total absurd. So what we see in the movie is basically a bunch of incoherent people (everyone with his/her own opinion) sent to penetrate an alien base in the "Let's go there and see what happens" style. Sorry, that's stupid! And it's especially stupid when one considers the availability of robots like David. He alone was 100 times more efficient in cracking the secret of this place than all the humans together. He could open alien doors, he was totally immune to the black goo, he didn't need air to breath, he was extremely logical, he spoke alien language, he could learn to drive alien ship... Funny!
5) If you compare the size of the Prometheus ship with what was stacked inside, you will see that the ship should be at least 5 times bigger than what we saw. Minor flaw, though.
6) The weapons of humans... didn't know Beretta and Glock made guns in 2093... lol So mankind has discovered interstellar travel, hibernation and so on and... still uses the same ghetto pistols (shooting sort of plasma, though)? Wow! Guys, be more creative!
7) The implication that the sacrificial Engineer seeded life on the planet (Earth or other) - there was grass on this planet already :) So life was already there.
I don't want to ruin this movie, I liked it. Being an Engineer myself I know what it takes to create something that stands and serves its purpose. So I like the overall concept. But some of the details really suck. As they do with 99% of all the movies of this type that I have ever seen.
Cheers from an Engineer

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 4:07 PMI will deflect that (almost) personal attack with evidence...
Firstly I am not the type that creates a theory and convinces myself it to be fact. I study, analyze and categorize the evidence throughout, lay it out and using logic, deduction, reasoning and (in the case of fictional works) narrative structure, to lead me to the truth.
I am also known for being open minded, objective and impartial (ask any long-termer on this site).
Now to the evidence...
The Mural I posted above is a Xenomorph. You infer it may be a Deacon. A Deacon is a Xenomorph as evidenced by the quote you mentioned from Cineflex.
I doubt anyone whom has or hasn't seen the film would argue that the Deacon is not a Xenomorph. As I am sure that no-one would argue that the mural I posted above is not a depiction of the same creature. Is this opinion or fact - Fact, because there is no doubt as to what its is. If there is doubt please highlight it...
But the Deacon differs from the Xenomorph... which one, each depiction of the creature has differed from the last. This is just another rendition of the creature. Born by slightly different means but a Xenomorph nonetheless.
Now to what killed the Engineers. The urns contain the means by which to virally propagate the Xenomjorph into an ecosystem, this is shown in and is the driving narrative of Prometheus. They are a viral weapon. We see a decapitated Engineer, whose head is infected with the contents of the urns. We see a pile of Engineers with holes in their chests (come on) and their heads - which can be explained two ways...
- LV-223 worms, a la Milburn (acid for blood parasites, hmm)
- Xenomorphs favoured method of incapacitating its hosts
...and lets not forget the holes in 3 of the stasis pods in the orrery room.
the Engineers were preparing to transport these urns to Earth, but one of them (door victim) inadvertantly broke quarantine and released their deadly weapon amongst themselves, with only one survivor - of whom hid in his stasis pod.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 4:38 PMsorry guys I was in the middle of responding to Snorklebottom when the power went out here for the last 2 and half hours, damn that was frustrating, anyways I have not read any new comments yet but whet I left out is this...Snorky You Know I luv ya but I will dispute this with you to the end with all due respect, that MURAL is CLEAR:LY NOW of a "DEACON" and not a Xenomorph!

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 4:44 PMAnd as I said sparky, they are one and the same thing - the Deacon is a Xenomorph!

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 4:46 PM@Snorky,
That's not what I mean,
It is Yes, But NOT the Xenomorph YET in the form we are used to from Alien which I believe this is 100% headed towards showing us throughout the two next potential films.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 4:48 PMThe connection at the end will be us seeing it again the way we remember it !!!
What could be better?, and after all this, frankly, if that's not gonna happen they;'re just dumb! There would have been no point to all of this otherwise! But everything we have seen point to that being exactly what we have started to see, the process that led to it the way we remember it in Alien.

geopap
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 4:49 PMI still believe that many unexplained events can be explained by making the assumption that Dave (previous model) had visited the planet before and killed with the goo the helpless engineers who were in stasis. If the knowledge of Dave series robots passes from generation to generation (like in humans), then this explains Dave's ability to open doors so easily and its extended knowledge about the rooms of the alien ship. Remember Dave had free will which he was not supposed to have since he was programmed to be obedient and always ask before acting. He opened the temple door, putting the whole mission to danger and without taking permission. But before doing that he played the video stored in the alien ship's memory, just to make sure that the Dave robot series had done a good job and killed all of them. Maybe this is why they left one engineer alive, someone maybe wanted the Weyland boss dead, it was a trap and it would look like an accident. What did Dave told the engineers actually? According to my theory he told him "They came from Earth and killed all your crew". Roughly speaking Dave reminded me of Prometheu's brother Epimetheous, a name which in Greek means "he who first acts and then thinks the consequences" the opposite of the name "Prometheus".
"... and the sea will grant each man new hope, as sleep brings dreams of home." Christopher Columbus.

LV420
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 4:55 PMI understand that Shaw's womb acts as the "egg" for her "facehugger", but...
What was happening to Holloway after David spiked his drink?
What would have happened if he hadn't had sex with Shaw?
What if Shaw took the black liquid directly, without it being passed from Holloway via sexual transmission? Would it still result in a Trilobite, regardless?

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 4:55 PM@ Sparky, the depiction is of a xenomorph, whether its of the deacon or not it is a depiction of a Xenomorph.
But how can it be a depiction of the Deacon, when the mural was created pre-2000 years before 2093, how could the engineers have created a depiction of a creature that born through a chain of accidental, unforeseen events 2000 years in the future.
Also the Deacon becoming the Xenomorph as we know it, the Xenomorph as we know it already exists before during and after these events on LV-426!

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 4:55 PMI did not even consider that and think it unlikely but I like it, there actually could have been 7 trips before with all of the Davids having been built explicitly for each of the trips, but it seems, like I said, highly unlikely with all due respect to you sir.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 5:00 PMcould be that Deacon was created by Life originally or just was originally indigenous to LV-233, just as we saw one being born there, and that last Engineer that attacked Shaw was a different one then the one that tried to take off of course, so he came for one of those "other ships" David8 mentioned! When you stop like we have today and go over this like we have you begin to see what kind of a freaking crazy masterpiece this film really is IMHO.

geopap
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 5:05 PM@Spartacus
The look in the eyes of Dave when it played the holographic replay before opening the temple door, still puzzles me. It was as if it wanted to see that no one was left alive and the previous models had done the job correctly. These are all assumptions though, another strange thing is that Dave8 brought with it a vessel with this strange liquid and didn't perform any laboratory tests to see from what it was made of. As if it was sure of what it could do and a previous model got one back to Earth. Can you imagine how important the vessel it got from the alien ship was, to endanger the whole mission? This liquid had to go back to Earth, it was the greatest discovery ever. But as told maybe another Dave0-7 brought this "god" stuff back and it was unimportant to preserve it.
"... and the sea will grant each man new hope, as sleep brings dreams of home." Christopher Columbus.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-29-2012 5:05 PMLV420 - short answer = NO
she would have deteriorated just like Holloway and the Sacrificial Engineer.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphJun-29-2012 5:20 PMsnorky it has to be the other one was already taking off while that one was headed for shaw come on man this is stuff of the type of "I saw the film 101"
did you not see it yet? You watched a Pirated copy? what? come on man fess up...lol.
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