The Engineer/Xenomorph Connection

Adaptation, or malfunction/degradation of original weapon... Anyway the eggs found in the derelict ship from the first Alien Movie are not the same, or were a very specific weapon to be deployed to a given target, as they were fully organic and were neatly stored in huge stasys transport bays, so they are not the same thing we see in this movie. Completely different design, or the original weapons those at that base were trying to copy/replicate uisng their multi-tool gooey thing. As I proposed in another thread we might be seeing two different forces against each other, something yet to be disclosed. Also good observation there. The creature at the end of the movie does resemble the one at the mural, and it is logical to have a proper tool to break that hard outer shell... And to me, it is not a suit at all...too integral to his body...something we easily note. (Ah, he was battling everyone butt naked all the time and no one noticed XD )

Yeah. The xenomorph eggs are a completely different thing.. but i'm not sure why you're comparing them. The urns strictly house the black liquid. Well... if i had a nicely toned, rock-hard Engineer body, i'd battle everyone naked, too... geez. But no, seriously. Now that i've touched upon the subject. WHY THE HELL WAS THAT ENGINEER BY HIMSELF? It's... just too damn strange.

He might be the saboteur, we might find it later. And yes, that instalation was a weapon's depot/research facility probably, and what we saw in Alien was a ship going to deploy a specific weapon against someone... The urns there house many different things in reality, and I think they were actually spoiled after being exposed to the atmosphere and the humans entering the chamber, as we see them firstly pristine. then they start to sweat, and when Yanik see them, they are oozing their contents. I clear signal of spoiled items... The juggernaut at the hangar also had a specific cargo, by David's account targeting Earth...and those were not oozing anything... More things to think about... We might find out that ship was there to attack that installation, and maybe the ones there were attacked and killed by those last aliens we see, and after paying that rogue installation a visit their next target was Earth...a disguised team that fooled that installation and got inside to do their nasty job perhaps...

Hmm... never noticed the Juggy had specific cargo.. and wasn't oozing. Didn't notice that... hmm.. yeah. It was interesting. but then again, this is nothing but old news. I'm thinking about the Engineers that were killed now, too... Their bodies just piled up, in the same spot, too. That weird or what? Why would they be so close together? Just... strange. And do you really think we'll be given more insight into the last Engineer from Prometheus? That would be really cool. A bit of a mundane, random/arbitrary thing to mention. But something i'd very much appreciate. I still wish he hadn't died, though... FFS... i really hope the sequel doesn't disappoint like that.

What if the mission of roughly 2000 years had gone according to plan, to undo the human experiment, just looking at the size of the trillobite, it's just too big for a human, or am I wrong in thinking this? And it those ampules had been released on Earth, is the side consequence, the undoing of all the other life forms and changing them to advanced form, xeno style?

@ Prehilinity: This statement of yours is intriguing: "The Engineer's will to give life to the xenomorph'."

Well there are many possibilities thats for sure and yes we do see that the Engineers Suits look like the Xenomorph to a degree. We do not really see what a Engineer + Black Substance in the Urn would bring. If we do look at the other more Alien Xeno DNA looking Fifields then yes its a possibility that the same process that creates these top two images. [img]http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/blogpics/prometheusart10.jpg[/img] Then with the Engineers suits as Bio Mech that are actually then fused to their bodies its possible that if the Goo changes Fifield to those Early Concepts then it could change a Engineer in the Pressure or Space Jockey Suits into the Xeno. And all infected Engineers would turn out the same, as the Worms both turned into Hammerpedes that are the same. However the Goo at the start of the movies behaves differently. Again my theory is that the Urns simply contain broken down substance that contains Xeno DNA that then mutates what it comes into contact with to become a Hybrid with the Xeno and thus carries Xeno DNA. But that does not explain where the Xeno came from or its connection with the Engineers, my theory as far as Prometheus is the Xeno was a Bio Weapon the Engineers either came across, stolen or created and they then re-weaponized/re-engineered the Bio Weapon into the Urns using the substance that we saw at the Start of the Movie.

@BigDave. Everything you just said, especially at the end, makes me want to post my new thread. But i'm not sure if i even should... I feel we should just include it in this one... Eeeerrrrrr... what the hell. I won't bother starting another one. We can keep at it; The Engineer/Xenomorph connection. ***But, as of now, i'm making this official, as part of this thread.*** So we can now incorporate it into this thread discussion. [size=200]The Xenomorph. Natural. Or created?[/size] My answer? I have no freakin' idea... honestly. It being derived naturally would make more sense in relation to the Engineers worshiping it. So... yeah. ...FFS. Then again, on the contrary... LOL. The Engineers ARE creators. Bio-Engineers. They would also be proud of such a creation... Sooo... i'm pretty damn stumped right now. Anyone care to take a jab at this one?

There should be more to the ampules than only the black substance, and I personally would like to see it as some kind of repository for different oriented vases. We know they have labels on them (and there is the question of those labels being in another language altogether) and maybe they were there for further studies. Now, why placing them in dirt sooil. The whole room should be sterile and protected...and this mixture of old ruins with high tech could / should have drawn a line on that room, and make it a bit differently and more protected/defended/sterile. What happened with Fifield and with Holloway....hard to really fatom as Fifield was pratically dead whan he fell (we know what that acid does to alloys..in human flsh and plastic, it is so fast that Fifield would already be dead when e fell) and Holloway was alive and in pain. Maybe not mutating into anything but just dying like the alien at the beginning of the movie, although in a slower (more painful) way...creepy. The rib cage of the xeno and the suit model does imply also that the xeno might be a full artificial organism, the dsign being common to the engineers then as we clearly see I am not that much a fan of the mutating DNA idea, as Ash, in the original ALIEN, only stated that he Facehugger could lay an egg on any living organism, his advanced adaptability related to the capacity of using any organic body for that. I would prever they have kept that idea alive. A NEVER changing already honed bio-weapon. Agressive and short lived, fully autonomous and able to use any "large" body to implant its "not changing template pup" in any biological entity. A really dangerous weapon. That is waht we had back in ALIEN and James cameron came and deturped everything just to create a matinee acton movie. The original idea was exactly that, original and logical in its concept, and efficient as no wild mutating thing would be, as such weapon could end up being useless and/or dangerous to the ones that deply it. Actually the whole "xeno-egg-facehugger-pup" cycle is a very coherent control safety device, for you still can wipe the weapon out after deployment if your goal has been achieved (searchng for the eggs and even the faceghuggers would be easier than the full working phase. Actually even the whole DNA altering thing inserted by Cameron and bought by Fox and some fans is a bit weird in the context of the laying eggs - facehugging mechanism. If you can create a xeno only by infecting someone, why the egg cycle? You just drop a bom on the water suply or even create an airborn way to disseminate it and boom, xenos everywhere... The more I think about this DNA Marvel type mutating concept the more it becomes uninteresting and bad science fiction at that, something ALIEN was not... Sheesh...Cameron and Fox should NEVER have touched ALIEN and no sequel should have been done...I am sure that we could have had a way better sequel with a sequel less market directed and more faithful to the cncept and how it was laid back in the original book and movie

Reverse engineered

Could be, as the xeno design is efficient. (not perfect...not by far, but very efficient) But reverse engineered from what? Were the xeno a weapon designed by others and they stole the tech then? I like the implications... (Space Jockeys, where are you...the Real You???)

I mean they reverse engineered the suits from the Giger designed alien and Space Jockey - pretty simple

Ah, thought you were talking about plot possibilities. That is clear, they are using a lot of Giger's original work (I saw many things inspired or plainly copyed from the Alien Artbook from Giger I bought over 15 years ago ) No mistery there...I am more intrigued by plot possibilities

Prenihility, though I find your hypothesis is clever I think you are missing one, extremely crucial, detail. Humans and Engineers have a one hundred percent genetic match. Inheritance is not some vague thing that affects only certain aspects of the organisms, it literally dictates how every cell in the body behaves. It simply is not possible for a body belonging to an Engineer to react differently than a body belonging to a human.

The mural makes it seem that engineers too were using face huggers to achieve the xeno and/or deacon. Or is that supposed to depict sacrificial humans in the mural? If they're humans, then a hypothesis can be drawn that humans were seeded by engineers for the sole purpose of farming us to create xeno's. If this is the case, then they would have known that by first doing it with their own kind first. And since we are 100% genetic match with the Engineers, then they know exactly what they'll get by using us guinea pigs to create their weapons. With that said, why would they create humans and not use their own race? Too technologically advanced to sacrifice their progress as a race? Are they a dying race? Unethical to use their own kind? And if humans are guinea pigs, why are they creating these xeno weapons? Who are they using them against? If xeno's are being used to clean up their mess (destroy humans), what are they going to do with all the xenos? How are they going to control them? I also believe there are different types of goo and the goo that is the xeno DNA, has been reverse engineered from the root parasite species that has not been seen in any of the films so far. The xeno and its life cycle, is just that, a parasite.