Female Engineers

You do know that religious sources refer to Angels as hermaphrodites i.e both sexes. Google angels + hermaphrodites, in the meantime I was going to read up some apocrypha such as the book of Enoch, an maybe we can have another chat then. Good call.

look at the first engineers body. now imagine how the body of a female engineer would look. I think i'm in love !!!!! hahaha

Hey well, the DNA thing is a clue indeed, though we might object their DNA also was source to all life in the intro scene and all life is not gendered/sexuated. However, there are good reasons to believe they are gendered and sexuated indeed. I detail that point among others in a thread about what can be considered reliable facts of engineer biology. You can find it [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8304]**here**[/url] Hope it helps! cheers

Didn't we only see 2 engineers in the whole movie? Are you assuming this was their entire population? We saw the sacrificial engineer at the beginning and the last one alive on lv-223 and that was it.

@Socrates Agreed, though that's it for the live ones, in the theatrical release. Not to forget the ~6 holo-jockeys running in the corridor, as well as the 4 holo-gineers in the juggernaut orrery/flight-deck (relatively similar to the Sacrificial Eng. though wearing their 'pressure suit' - so males [i]a priori[/i]). In addition, if we consider shots from deleted scenes that were released those last couple days, we also have another 8 live Engineers aside the sacrificial one, in the intro scene ([i]a priori[/i] all males again it would seem, though I haven't seen it discussed if someone went 1200% zooming under their robes) Pictures in another of my recent thread [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8191]**here**[/url]

The holo jockeys are in suits so we can't be sure what gender they are. Deleted scenes hold no water with me because imo for it to be considered it had to actually happen in the movie. I would say my best guess however if indeed they are all males, is that that's why they dislike humans because female humans can reproduce. Where if they were all males they could not. Perhaps that's what their efforts are all about is creating a female. Or, perhaps as I said before it's just as simple as we only saw a couple of engineers and they happened to be male.

Heres the thing - Engineers share 99% of our DNA/Genome, therefore they must be dimorphic - as in a race composed of males and females. But we haven't seen any, yet. Either we will in a sequel, or they may no longer exist which may explain why they bred humans, and may explain why they wanted to replace the humans with the xenomorph - to add genetic material to their genome, being unable to reproduce because of too much meddling with their own genome.

@Socrates am only making the material available so people can be informed before they make their own opinion. I detailed those elements and my reasoning in the thread I linked to, in my first comment here, so not going to redetail it all here. Based on that, no doubt regarding the existence of female engineers to me, not in the least. Apart from that, provided it was denied by later elements, I doubt they would hate humans for females/their ability to reproduce. Engineers age so it makes little doubt to me they have a way to reproduce, even if they were all males. (aging quite evident if they use cryostasis + 'elder engineer' made it to the last stages of produciton, even if thye changed their mind regarding the scene, I doubt they'd change such massive meta-element of how they had conceived the engineers)

Iapetus, why do you rule out cloning technology? There would be no need for females.

@Hadley's no, if you read my stuff am not "entirely" ruling it out. I say that based on available elements, I am complitely convinced female engineers exist. BUT provided I was proven wrong at some point (new evidences/prom2) I still don't see them as jealous of our ability to reproduce, because I say they would necessarily have one too, given they do appear to age. Apart from the evidences available, am not a big fan of "massice clonage/farming" stories. I hope it wouldn't turn into some SWars "Kamino clones" or The Island/Matrix/T-salvation "farming", because this to me make for very cheap storylines and "deep philosophical reach" that are inconsistent with Scott's usual questionings (which I find more complex/real/proteiform/qualitative). To me the questions Scott tries to inoculate in our minds regarding our place relative to Engineers and androids (and since Blade Runner) is how what makes us unique is such a tiny spark each of us has to find (to turn into an uber-mensh Ripley/Shaw/Maximus) and all we establish our *apparent* uniqueness on is actually quite common. Thus why I feel/doubt clones have their place in a Scott-ian universe. He is more complex, he makes his androids/replicants look different from one another, clones are a way to tell the same story but just lacking in subtelty, too basic straightforward and 'in your face' for him, IMO

This planet was a military base, the habitants were very scarce it doesn’t imply that there are no females on their race or even there, it might just be that one of the many dead was a female on a suit, plus usually there’s more males than females on the military.

Take the hints given in the film with a rain of salt. It is Janek saying that it must be a military base of smth of that sort. He has some commonsense but is he the best placed to establish such fact? I think the engineers only could tell us. As someone said on another thread, do you think the US had a massive George Bush head and a bas-relief of Saddam in the room they kept their M4a1s in Irak? haha! thought that was a good enough comparison : ) IMO there's much more than just "military objectives" going on. Prob some scientifico-military-religious projects dangerous but 'sacred' enough for them that they took care to build those remote, indeed, but carefully crafted and symbol-loaded facilities.

if they had no genitals then why was the first "sacrificial" engineer wearing a loincloth? Why didnt they just show him with no penis like a Ken doll? I think there are females. I also think that they are not all exactly alike and evil like the one they woke up. Any organism with a higher intelligence than us is going to have free will like us and is going to have its own opinions that may differ from those of others in its species.

They are so advanced compared to humans that requiring different biological sexes might not even be necessary. & they are seen as Gods simply because that's what we as humans are inclined to believe when we meet superior beings. So I'm not inclined to go down that path of Engineers being "heavenly beings" or following any religious sources on what their gender would be. Quite impartial to the possibility of cloning. It sounds probable :-) It actually does sound interesting, though cloning via black goo sounds better than the human style of cloning/synthetics

there is no such thing in evolution as "advanced". What you would call "advanced" is a relative thing, like any other things in evolution. Then something unforeseen comes and wipes all your carefully piled so called 'advance' because you'd better have had a shorter reproductive cycle or less demanding metabolic rate... Mostly, when it comes to reproduction. It is nowhere near something you can establish an "advanced" or "unadvanced" state. Reproduction is a need and evolution brought the 2 most efficient ways to fullfil it ; self-cloning/parthenogenesis and gendered/sexual reproduction. I can detail on that, as many people around this board sem so convinced sexual reproduction is so "unadvanced/inefficient" for some reason I must still miss.

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I do know this, female engineers will have big tits, like doing well nursing for their offsprings, but who knows, lets wait when Paradise movie comes out. ;-)