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Ambiguity Debate - Q4 - Drones & Warriors

Gavin

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Very often we have seen members, and staff, claim that Prometheus and the Alien franchise (and other franchises that may or may not be part of the same universe) have very few certain facts, and that everything else is open to interpretation and speculation, therefore being ambiguous. Is this true, or is it just a simple case of reading between the lines and unraveling the puzzles to reveal the facts. So, in this debate we may or may not dispel the alleged ambiguity of aspects of this universe. Therefore, I ask the following question(s)... [u]Questions[/u] Q1 - How long does it take for a Chestburster to mature into an adult Alien? [b]FACT - Less than 1hour.[/b] Q2 - How, and with what does a Facehugger impregnate its host? [b]FACT - Upon locating a host the Facehugger coils its long tail, launching itself at the host’s head, gripping with its legs and tightening its tail around the neck; the Facehugger suffocates the host. Upon rendering them unconscious, the Facehugger extends a proboscis into the host’s throat, supplying breathable air and nutrients while implanting its EMBRYO. Once the embryo is securely attached inside the host’s chest cavity, the Facehugger retracts its proboscis and dies.[/b] Q3 - What caused the death of the Engineer seen inside the derelict Juggernaut in Alien? [b]ASCERTAINABLE FACT - Juggernaut in flight over/near LV-426 - Egg hatches, sensing pilot above - Pilot is facehugged -Juggernaut forced to land on LV-426 - Pilot awakens and transmits signal/beacon - Chestburster born.[/b] Q4 - What is the difference between the domed-head Aliens or Warriors (Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection & AVP ) and the ridge-head Aliens or Drones (Aliens and AVPR). Q5 - How big is the dead Engineer inside the Derelict seen in Alien? Q6 - Is the egg-morphing form of Xenomorph reproduction seen in Alien part of the creatures lifecycle? Once we have, or do not have, an universally accepted answer for the last question(s) (which will be posted underneath the question), we will move onto a new question(s), and so on... But beware, sometimes there may be trick questions, or will there be? [center](This thread will help us, the staff, compile a series of FAQ's)[/center] NOTE - We are all aware of some peoples opinions on the AVP movies, but they will only be cited when needed, the aim of this thread is to get the answers, or the best answers to the questions to compile FAQ's for all the movies, not just Prometheus, hence why this thread is in the Alien Discussions board and not the Prometheus Discussions board.

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Gavin
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oh they will, but please try to stay on topic

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Q1 - You actually have that question's answer on "ALIEN": a very very short time. Or, if you prefer, the time that takes the crew of the Nostromo to search for it [which is almost immediatly after Kane's demise]. Q2 - It seems the facehugger wraps its tail around the poor victim's neck, gets a tight grip on the victim's face, sends his tube down the throat of the victim and thus suplies air and a nice alien embryo. Q3 - Something erupted from the SJ's insides. Q4 - Not only I disagree with that "SJ droping out of FTL" 'cause there is no evidence AT ALL that he was "flying FTL", as this FAQ aparently is to bring AVP-ness into a FAQ about Prometheus. Done. I'll answer no more questions. But It was fun till this point. EDIT: you droped the FTL thing for Q3. cool. Nice call. Snorks: awwww.... you're a sweet guy. thanks for the mentioning. Keep it up with the questionaire. *bro huggs*
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Ripley: "because just one of those things managed to wipe out my entire crew in less than 24 hours". Was "entire crew" including kane's chestbursting ? Then its less then 24 hours. The crew of the betty after landing immediately offloaded the cargo and that same night they were on the us auriga the alien broke free although I could be wrong about the latter.
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In Requiem, it seemed to be mere moments, as the Predlien killed several Predators on their ship... And in Alien3 the xeno is born almost grown, or at least larger than the typical chestbuster.
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I agree it appears they grow fast... i always thought they had a exo skeletal look to them when they are Xenos well a combination of Scorpion crossed with say Dolphin anatomy. So maybe they grow like some Arachnids, like say a Spider. Spiders start as small babies but can grow really fast. But the thing that determines the rate of growth depends on the environment and food/nutrients. Plenty of Food and Warm Humid conditions and they grow faster Colder and dry and they grow slower. So maybe the Xeno while it grew fast in Alien, maybe it grows depending again on the environment its in? But if we take away speculation and only look at actual evidence then yes it would point to a Chest Buster can grow to Adult in less than 24 hours.

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Gavin
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Any detractors that say otherwise to the fact that Aliens mature into Adults from a Chestburster very quickly?

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Pretty fast i'd say. But AVP has it fully grown in 10 minutes. That was silly.
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Gavin
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Well if they grow damn fast why can't it be within 10 minutes, one would imagine that would be terrifyingly hypnotic to see on film?

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Snorkelbottom and staff: please persevere with this ambiguity questions. This is sorely needed.
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Hence why I started it oduodu, my friend.

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Guess it just felt dumb and not thought through to me. (the 10 min. thing) But yes, i'd like to see a rapid molting scene.
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From what I understand, they grow very fast and live only a short time. I read somewehere, the Alien raided a locker and ate everything in it in order to feed it's rapid growth, even batteries. It was in the escape pod not because it was hunting Ripley down, but because it was at the end of it's life and wanted to die in peace. So, it basically went from a baby to death in 24-48 hours? I am not sure how long Kane was incubating it so I am talking about after chestburster stage. @Red Wolf; Lets keep AVP out of this plz. Ty. We are talking about Alien here, lets not mix franchises.

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Originally the creatures life-span was very short. Based on 'Alien' i believe it's with-in an hour. Why? Because if you take into account the time it took to clean the mess hall and prepare Kane's funeral we don't know how much time was spent doing this. In a deleted scene the crew re-gather in the mess hall and discuss their next plan of action. Brett comes with with the idea of the cattle prods. Dallas asks Brett how long it would take to come up with both the cattle prods and nets Parker says [b]"20 minutes to an hour"[/b], then we see the crew on the bridge before they go in search for what they believe is a small creature.
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Okay next question, check the OP....

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This is an unused shot from Alien 3. This 'x-ray' shot shows a facehugger [b]'tube'[/b] working it's way down Ripley's throat. [img]http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2848/alien3disc20.jpg[/img] Ripleys neuroscan results in Alien 3 really tell where the Embryo is planted and develops.
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@Svanny: Snorky was seeking comment on "Prometheus, the Alien franchise and other franchises that may or may not be part of the same universe." Last time I checked, Requiem falls within that realm. Personally, I hope the Questions become a bit more thought provoking...
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My theory It wraps its tail around the hosts throat and suffocates it until its unconscious and then using its proboscis it implants an embryo down the hosts throat. The embryo then gestates on the yolk provided by the hugger. How it gets from the digestive track to chest cavity without damaging the internals ? I have no idea. It must go to the chest cavity because when it gets to big where else is there enough space to stay in the chest until chestbursting ? I suspect it might produce some kind of anastesia to prevent the host from feeling it inside him.
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So you would all agree with the following statement... [i]Upon locating a host the Facehugger coils its long tail, launching itself at the host’s head, gripping with its legs and tightening its tail around the neck; the Facehugger suffocates the host. Upon rendering them unconscious, the Facehugger extends a proboscis into the host’s throat, supplying breathable air and nutrients while implanting its [b]EMBRYO[/b]. Once the embryo is securely attached inside the host’s chest cavity, the Facehugger retracts its proboscis and dies.[/i]

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Q 2: there's no better shot of this than in AvP when they clearly show an "oralpositor" extend from the facehugger (phallic symbol comments need not be made) during Sebastian's interpretation/story of the cave inscriptions. What EXACTLY is deposited into the throat? Not sure THAT'S ever been confirmed -- but rather is inferred/implied to be a "baby alien" or embryo that gestates to a point where it is capable of "bursting" out of its host.

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