I don't know why some people hate this movie so much sometimes

It has nothing to do with Lindelof being the writer. I agree with you, I find it hard to understand why some people think Ridley had no control over his own movie and blame everything on Lindelof. You have to understand many people thought Prometheus would be the 2001 of our time because it was Ridley Scott directing. That he would give us all a break from the gauntlet of terrible sci-fi movies we have been subjected to in the past 10 years. They had high expectations from Ridley because he is a first class director, not some newbie. There are as many people that will swear black and blue the movie is a flawless masterpiece as there are that are saying it is the worst movie ever made and pick apart every scene. The reality is, those people are the extreme and don't represent the majority of viewers.

Many people were genuinely disappointed by Prometheus, and that's gotta suck. To have been so excited for so long and then feel duped, I get it. I personally loved the film, and it has a couple of faults, but for me nothing to get worked up about. Alien had faults. BR had faults. When I saw the first trailer I too got a very different feel to what I actually got in the theatre, Between those two events I got a huge sinking feeling due to the negativity here and elsewhere. Imagine my delight when I saw it for myself. But it could have gone the other way. I have to say though that it seems fashionable to dismiss things, the cynicism our filmgoers being accused of actually being indulged in by their critics. It's hard to say his much of this derision is genuine, but I do think the detractors left here are genuinely let down.

Oops filmMAKERS not film goers! Lastly, I had no problem with DL either. I think he did a stellar job,

... we are becoming numb, or maybe saturated with so much media that it does not allow for the special moments to come through...

The point in case is that there are too many oddities in the movie. Too many tiny things that seem way out of place and others that could and should be explored but were not. Had lots of potential, but couldn't find it's own pace.

list out the oddities and things that seem out of place.

Keep it real: here, read my review; [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7904]Cliky Cliky[/url]

1/ the Hammerpede in Millburns helmet. Too digital. 2/ Holloways final moments. I would have loved to see him fall apart inside his suit, fill his helmet with black vomit, SOMETHING before Vickers torched him. 3/ the warm smile that passes between Chance and Ravel as the fly to their deaths. That's it for me.

[b]If the studio didn't reveal damon lindelof as the scriptwriter, i bet there would be lot less criticism for the writing. I never watched Lost so I had no idea who this damon lindelof guy was before Prometheus. I thought the writing was fantastic...[/b] I agree. I didn't know who he was either until it became a big deal amongst fans. I think the writing was great (and whether it was Lidelof or not, RIDLEY APPROVED EVERYTHING! People seem to forget that). I didn't watch a single trailer for Prometheus, so when I saw it in the theater in its entirety most everything was completely new to me (I wasn't jaded by the trailers). I was blown away. I think people are forgetting what Ridley does so well with this genre: He creates an incredible mood. The creepy environment and situation was brilliant (something that I don't think ANY of the Alien sequels accomplished as well as the original. And that is due to the designs approved by and the direction implemented by Ridley Scott. And the themes brought up with the movie (such as a desire for eternal life being a destructive and noxious pursuit...) are relatively original (at least told in an original way). [b]1/ the Hammerpede in Millburns helmet. Too digital.[/b] I disagree. While you MIGHT have been able to tell that some things were done digitally, I don't think it was overdone at all. Ridley struck a good balance between what was done practically and what was done digitally (unlike many current directors). He's not Michael Bay. Sometimes I do scratch my head at what Ridley cuts from the films (like this Shaw/Engineer fight at the end, for example. I really think that would have added a lot to the film, so I'm anxious to see it. I know Ridley said something about not wanting to diminish the power of the Engineer in that scene, cuz I think Shaw fights him off with the ax. But oh well, I'm sure he could have made it work, dammit! To all the people who complain about this movie: RARELY IS SCIENCE FICTION (my favorite genre) DONE THIS WELL! The direction is simply superb. So I try not to complain too much.

Patient Leech. Spot on. I on the other hand watched and read every available bit of information available with guilty relish. Consequently, I saw the Millburn scene, among many others, reduced to a GIF. Over and over. Still loved it, but I can only imagine the impact of going in cold.

I understand what your saying, but at the same time the main reason why people were dissapointed is because they expected to be like alien and just as good if not better, in their minds. So they went in with extrememly high and set expectations but what they got was different. So they turned something that was different to them, into something they hated. I could understand why people didnt like because it left too many questions, and some people cant stand that, but i can.:)

Sorry wrote that while walking the dog. One more thing: I haven't followed a movie this closely in a very long time. I'm very new to the phenomena of trailers being broken down and analyzed frame by HD frame. I was able to take in quite a bit prior to seeing Prometheus.

And I am not a fan of Michael Bay, thank you.

[b]Still loved it, but I can only imagine the impact of going in cold.[/b] Yeah. Probably THE best theater experience of my life... it was IMAX 3D, too. ;) [b]...they expected to be like alien and just as good if not better...[/b] I think it IS better than Alien and Alien was one of my all-time favorite sci-fi films. But it's different. And I think that's why Ridley kept trying to steer people away from thinking it's a prequel to Alien because it requires being interpreted in a much different way. It obviously IS a prequel to Alien, but he just wanted people to not expect it to lead DIRECTLY into the beginning of Alien (cuz that would boring in my opinion, anyway). Updated special effects aside, the ideas are much bigger. Alien was great because it was a sort of a very realistic horror/thriller (the dialogue felt very natural, almost cinema verite), while Prometheus is a bit more contrived because, well, that's the nature of it... it's setting up a much larger mythology. And i LOVE that. Needless to say, I have a massive boner for the next installment... :)

Same as Patient Leech, for me. I didn't see Lost and didn't hear all the Bad things that was said about him. But after i saw Prometheus and read all the terrible reviews and negative comments about Lindelof, with comments like, 'he makes everything TOO ambiguous'. I must say, i have to agree with those people! A bit of Ambiguity is a good thing, but not to the extent where it makes your hair fall out, due to anger and frustration! The Film was also lacking that certain "Nightmarish" quality that Alien and Bladerunner had, in abundance! I don't hate Prometheus in the slightest! It's just so damn frustrating!

Why do people think that because someone mentioned the defects of a movie, it means that he hates that movie? Seriously people, I think some of you are still very susceptible to this issue. Also, do you think that if I hated Prometheus I would be frequenting this site? I think not. Regarding Lindelof, I don't hate him, but I can see that this guy repeated the same formula from LOST, is like his personal signature. Ok, I can accept the whole wave of mystery present in this film, but I expect a better writer for the sequel...and you do not get me wrong because I'm more in favor of seeing a spin-off...but with a better script, more depth in the characters and a better soundtrack too...After all the critical thinking doesn't make you a hater.

BTW, the most of the real haters stopped coming to this place long time ago...just saying.

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no, its the other way round..mliions of people are dissappointed of the movie BECAUSE of the plot holes and poor actor development and NOT BECAUSE JUST of the name Lindelof. Many people dont even know his name and just only saw the movie with its flaws. Its a shame that Scott didnt see that AT LEAST in the post production phase.

Mapusoul I didn't mean it that way. I'm talking the people who just blatantly hate Prometheus, nitpicking every little detail to criticize it. I understand that you noticed some flaws in the movie and thats fine with me. My point wasn't meant for the members here. I surf around IMBD and some other websites and people just bashing the hell out of the movie, saying riduclous things like "AVP movies are better than Prometheus" That's why I felt like making this thread. So yeah, just to be clear on that. @ Kane77 what are the plotholes? List them out and I'll try to explain it. Which character had poor development? The only important characters needed to be developed imo was Shaw and David, which is exactly what the movie did so I don't know about poor development. The rest are supporting characters. Not much background is needed for them

I loved it and I still have a folder full of trailers and tv spots and every interview of Ridley, Lindelof, Rapace, Fassbender and several with Theron and also a couple of featurettes...animated gifs and tuns of movie stills....I collected every ounch of info i could find and i watched and read everybit over and over.....still in the end I came out of the theater with a big fat smile on my face....and i am currently counting down the dvd release with as much anticipation as I did for it's theatrical release and everytime their is the slightest mention of the upcoming sequel my little hearth skips a beat....so absolute zero complaints here!

@keep it real I dont believe that you didnt see all the respective threads about it. use the search function. must be one hundred at least. cheers

Yer I too think it was Damon AND Ridley in the driving seat and mainly Ridley - my reasons - look at ridleys other movies recently and damon did also say Ridley was feeding him everything for the script before the movie came out! I think allot of the people have listed the problems with prometheus so many times now that they are tired of it - this is why they don't always post a half mile long piece of text every time! Sorry keeping it real but this has been covered a million times over! Also try google. Ill add my vote to prometheus being great but awful - strangest film ever - utterly amateur scenes mixed in with grand master scenes the haters picking up on the amateur ones of course! Allot of people were actually like me too - they knew it wasnt going to have much of a link to aliens - we just wanted it all to make sense. And I am not talking about answering what the black goo is or what the engis are doing etc. I am talking about the characters doing totally bonkers out of character things etc...anyway I got work to do byeee......ps AVP is awful!

@djamelameziane right, people are tired of writing about it all over again and its not necessary. The were reviews about it, right after the first evening screening ( in france )

Things will look very different when it's seen in the grander context of its sequel(s). Me? I'm [i]really[/i] glad it left the door wide open.

Yes heres hoping...but it may actually be worse - pleassse no!

Plenty of things were out of place. 1) Pace, they were in some sort of rush with this movie. It was way too fast. Look at old alien it moves very slow upto the point where crew members are going to explore the broken space ship. Prometheus has very fast pace as if there is taxman chasing every person in it. 2) Crappy acting, I mean it. I can't believe except fassbender, rest of the others had too little airtime and punchlines in this movie. It looks good in trailer and bad in movie. 3) Lacks dark feel. Hell, AVP despite non canon, has that dark feel. You get the feeling that they are being chased by aliens and predators at the same time. What do you have in prometheus ? nothing. what fear factor you have in prometheus? nothing. 4) black liquid. concept of black liquid was so wrong that they failed to even put some mystery around that one. 5) prologue takes the mystery off the movie. Panspermia revealed at the start of the movie, so you get 90 percent of answer in the movie, remaining 10 percent answer is when there was DNA match with engineer head. 6) David knows everything. I mean seriously, robots can be talents but knowing everything? doesn't even fit with weyland yutani coverup stuff. It sounds like CIA or FBI ops in android mode. Clicking everything turned me off. 7) What answer have we got? nothing. Other than the fact that space jockeys are human ancestors doing some biological games in galaxies. Space jockey in Alien was mystical inside the suit. It was supposed to be some dark concept but it turned out to be some Rael concept of aliens on earth. 8) Engineers planet? the thrill for engineers planet was so off putting, it doesn't even attract me towards paradise. What are we going to see in paradise? Trust me it will not be dark, but more visual treat with nothing to chew. 9) With all due respect to RS films in past. This movie other than few visual beats doesn't even beats any other blockbuster this year. Hell, some of the other movies lime - the troll hunter were more dark than prometheus. Personally I got turned off with the franchise, I don't even think anything will ever come out in darker feel from them anymore. I am gonna enjoy AVP and Micheal bay from here on. No offense to those who enjoyed. Thanks to chris, this is now Scifi network and not just prometheus site anymore, I can safely rant :D [img]https://diasp.de/uploads/images/scaled_full_57c1e865740b17fe9750.jpg[/img]

^^^^^^ what Shambs, Kane and Sky said ^^^^^^^

[i]I honestly think 80% of the hate comes from the fact damon lindelof's name is attached to the movie.[/i] I guess I'm of the 20%. I've never seen an episode of "Lost" and if I had seen anything written by Lindelof (besides [i]Prometheus[/i], of course), I'm not aware of it.

I think the film was meant to be frustrating, like all the gaps and left open spots in the film. I think they will be explained in the sequel.

Wait until the dvd is released. Why was all the extra material shot in the first place ? That is a huge amount of extra footage shot by the most efficient director ever. The extra material will make people want to see the film with the extra material included and then eventually an extended cut will be made. Then people won't hate it anymore. This is an opinion. On something yet to happen. It s called faith. Or maybe: Let me see: fox or brandywine or who ever spends 130 million us dollars to make a movie that is off pace that is too short with not enough character development with holes (not plot holes necessarily.), they then spend a further 50 million us dollars on marketing. Sounds deliberately made the way it was so that you must buy the dvd with all the extra material. Ah damn why wasn't this included, would have been such a beautiful movie if some of the extended / additional scenes were added. And eventually when the extended cut is releaed (after 10 years?) then people will say: I love this. It would make no sense. Long live prometheus (I love it) This just an opinion (humble or otherwise) no factual basis.

The more i see the movie the more i like it.... At first it was a disappointment because well the bar was raised high by Alien and Blade Runner and also the movie was over hyped, Ridley and Co played with us with the Trailers, the comments that changed and confused us. Other things like the movie will scare the S$"£ out of you etc. Once the disappointment dust had settled i then could work out a few factors that let the movie down. Some scenes made no sense.... they seemed to me like someone had just came along and with some scissors just started cutting chunks of the Movie Reel out. Now we realize that there was a fair share of edited and cut scenes and alternative ones. That once added back in make the movie flow better. But i understand reasons for them being cut out. [b]Elder Engineers[/b]....... Because Ridley wanted to retain the Mystery of them for potentially Prometheus 2. [b]Engineer Conversation with David[/b]...... because it would have gave some answers to our creation and planned destruction or maybe because Ridley felt it took some of the allure and mystery away from the Engineer. I think once we see the full scene and have subs for it, then the scene would make sense as opposed to the knee jerk violent reaction he had taken when at first he looked intrigued [b]Alternative Fifield[/b]........ Due to Ridley wanting to limit the Xeno DNA elements until the Shaws Baby and its Life Cycle. [b]The Shaw vs Engineer Scene[/b]........ Because he felt as Shaw puts up a good fight, when the Engineer disposed of the other crew with ease, made the Engineer not look as powerful as intended. Then we have alternative and cuts scenes that reduce the level of Gore and Violence to get the movie to be shown to under 18s. These aside the movie still had flaws... I felt some Characters acted out of Character my two biggest ones was... 1) Janek.... he seemed little concerned about the safety of two members of the crew trapped in the Temple Over Night and more interested in flirting with Vickers.... this did not fit in with the Heroic Character we see portrayed with his Sacrifice to Ram Prometheus into the Juggernaut. 2) Vickers..... when she was being flirted with by Janek, i liked her responses until when he asked "Miss Vickers are you a Robot" Her reply did not fit with the Cold Character she portrayed....... She should have said.... "well i am off to my room and you will never find out.... good night". So aside from a few cuts that effected the flow of the movie and some bad use of Characters. The movie was not bad not bad at all, and its a shame Ridley was not allowed to have this movie made as either a 2.5 to 3 hour movie or a two part 1.5 hour or so one. As i felt another 40 min would have allowed the movie to tell its tale to do justice to the scope of the plot. Overall i gave it 3.5/5..... after seeing a uncut version with alternative scenes that may go to a 4/5.

I agree100 percent with everything you say bigdave. It would make no sense if it was otherwise. Dissapointment=frustration=discussion=controversy=marketing=sales.

The scope of the movie is massive, and Prometheus 2 and 3 could be epic. I feel Lindlof has great ideas, but i feel he should not have been given as much creative control to put those ideas on paper into a draft.

You guys can keep telling yourself that. Sooner or later, you'll realize that faith in Prometheus 2 or 3 is misguided and fruitless. I'm only posting here because I'm in the middle of a boring meeting and I wondered what flavor of Kool-aid was going around here.

Xenotron My friend I respect your opinion. But remember when the final extended cut is released and fans rave about it that I said it will become an all time classic. I depends on whether or not ridley directs p2 and p3 to really seal the deal. (Disclaimer: this just an opinion - humble or otherwise until indicated otherwise - no factual basis)

personally, i liked the movie. the only negativity i have towards it is the same as a crackhead... i wanted more and was disappointed by the amount i was given ~_^ 1.i felt the hammerpede scene happened too fast and with no explanation. how did it kill? suffocation, ate internal organs, sucked out blood and other fluids? did it lay eggs inside the body? i wanted more info..... perhaps a dissection/analyzing scene like in the original alien. 2. WTF was the space jockie's problem, and what happened to all of his buddies? obviously there was some huge problem that made them run for their lives and killed them off. if it was a creature, where was it? shouldnt it have been hanging around someplace? if it had a short life cycle, its body should be laying around just like the pile of jockey bodies. 3. MORE MUTANT. jeebus.... that is the one thing i was hyped about and dying to see. obviously they made many timeline mutations and we didnt get to see any of them!! we just got what everyone is calling a "caveman" instead of the super cool/creepy mutant form we now see in many pics recently. i felt like i saw 1/3 of a movie. what i saw i loved, but i felt like i must have repeatedly blacked out and missed chunks of the movie. but one small reason i have went dormant a few times on the site is because of all of the bitching about this movie. i stopped going to the facebook site because of that also. on EVERY single update some negative nancy has to say "that movie blew". everyone is entitled to an opinion, but to have the same people saying the same thing in every update and every thread is so damned annoying. btw, if you hate the movie so much why are you still "liked" on facebook and active in the forum just to constantly say the same unimaginative insults? personally when i dont like something i avoid it. recently i have seen movies and tv shows i found very insulting towards women and it pissed me off, so i stopped watching it when i became offended, then gave it the lowest rating possible. if it REALLY pissed me off i left a bad review, and then i put something better on to watch and left it at that. i dont dwell on shows and movies i hate, why bother? it will just make my hair more grey and make my tummy ulcers bigger, no one wins. i leave that as advice to people that absolutely hate this movie with a passion. dont watch it, put on a movie you love instead, enjoy it, feel better and have a great day.

From what I hear, the extended cut is supposed to have an additional 30 minutes of footage. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the[url=http://youtu.be/g4P2WKa1opY] Space Jesus theory[/url] and that may be why it was cut out. The extended edition also supposedly has the original script by Lindelof, so we'll see. It's different with this movie somehow. I try to leave it alone, but I just keep thinking about it.

I think that the hate began with the trailers. The expectation was very high and the fake alien fans did want more of the xenomorf. I believe that if the movie didn't had any publicity no trailers and sell the idea of a sci-fi in space finding the origins of human race. The punch of showing the space jockey responsable for the creation of mankind and alien DNA, showing the alien ship and a SJ operating shoudl been too much for the hearts of people. The problem is called internet and trailers, try to take that away and you have people going nuts because of some movie talking about the alien universe and SJ and the origins of alien as a bio weapon.

Your correct and that was one of my gripes, this movie had a lot of scope and sadly the movie needed at least another 45 min to do the plot some justice. As far as the cuts scenes, well some scenes that was cut and others that showed little of the Hammerpedes are done so as that the movie is not riddled with Xeno DNA. Ridley wanted to make this movie about the Engineers and us rather than about the Xeno. He has left it very open and cleverly done because while he wants to leave the xeno behind he knows depending on the reception and critics the following movies can avoid the Xeno... or if thats what he feels demand is for a money for fox he can explore the Xeno and Deacon in future movies. The Engineer scenes was cut because Ridley wanted to maybe not show so much of them or any dialog as he wants to explore them in Prometheus 2.