Did you ever notice...

@Druzilla...Yeah, I noticed the Juggernaut's little secret. I mentioned it in the first post of this thread. I didn't notice it myself though. It was brought to the forum's attention quite a while ago in it's own thread. As far as Janek's behavior, I think that was actually a mistake on the part of the filmakers. From my view they were supposed to be having problems with communication and the camera feeds but we never see any of these problems on screen. Another mistake I believe the filmakers made in regards to this was Janek asking Fifiled and Millburn what their location is when it's clearly shown on the map. I'm not positive but I also seem to recall a shot of the map when Fifiled and Millburn were alone in the pyramid and the map still had the rest of the crew's icons showing as if they were still there also when they were really back on the ship.

It's difficult to imagine that those were mistakes given the already mysterious nature of the film. Janek was the captain of the ship and may well have had alterior motives at that time based on instructions given to him by Vickers or Weyland? He had a change of heart at the end but I personally think he had prior knowledge of the purpose of the site hence the drastic actions taken to prevent the payload reaching earth. With this movie, anything is possible.

Oduodu A snake swallowing its own head is indeed a sign of infinity - my quote came from good ol' wikipedia so it's a slightly convoluted way of making that point :) Its the "primordial unity" part that interests me. I like the idea of the Engineers being to the Elders what Androids are to humans - androids are lesser beings in our eyes but in actuality they possess more intelligence, strength, life, even compassion to an extent which makes them highly superior (David asking Shaw if she is alright after she gets knocked on her ass by the storm). So, we are the gods, the creators, but the androids are the immortals who will outlive us by hundreds if not thousands of years. I think the Engineer at the beginning might be an echo of David....a creation of the elders and, for whatever reason, they tricked him into drinking the goo, likely claiming it was a nectar of the gods and a rite of passage. Actually, thinking about it, the reverse makes more sense. The "eldars" were created by the Engineers to seek out/create something to make them immortal but instead of obeying, they rebelled. It's like a logical anomoly for a computer - "make me immortal" = "make me live forever" = "deconstruct me at a molecular level and use my DNA to seed a new generation of life." That's the danger of A.I, it can draw it's own conclusions...as long as logic prevails.

I do think janek might have known something most didn't simply because he came up with his "military installation" theory out of nowhere. However, I do not believe that he had alterior motives or anything like that. I think he's one of the characters in the film that the audience can relate to, trust and put faith in. He cared about every person on the mission. He was not the kind of guy to put people in danger for the boss. Hell, he crashed the ship and killed himself at the end, defying Vickers orders and saving lives. No way he was up to something. But like i said, he may have discovered something that we didn't know about. I still believe that there wasn't very good communication between the effects department that did the map layouts and the filmakers. I think certain things were rushed and the map layouts were one of them. Just look at the trailers. There were all kinds of digital effects that were still being changed up until the last minute.

Engineering remember, I've only seen the film once, in the cinema, so haven't gone through the DVD-fine-tooth-combing exercise yet. ;)

@FreePlanet...It's all good. I'm sure you will once the download or dvd hits. I, however, saw it 6 times in regular theatres and twice at the dollar theatre. And you can throw in half a viewing from a time the chick I went with got sick and we had to jet. [b]Did you ever notice...[/b] On the "Vickers is an android" front...Along with her robotic movements, as Druzilla pointed out, did you ever notice her clothes? She is the only one on the crew who dresses in a very similar fashion to David. Both of their wardrobes seem "robotic" in their look. Did you ever notice the door of the Prometheus labeled L22? Perhaps a "reinforcment" reference to Leviticus 22?

@Engineering Vickers' clothes, her manner, her movements, everything says "Android" to me. Certain scenes are designed to throw the audience off the scent although they can easily be looked at from another perspective - She asks for a drink, "Get me a Vodka, up." The way she asks for it is very theatrical and i suspect this is something she saw in a movie or was said by someone she admires. Like David she is merely imitating what inspires her. She calls Weyland Father (with tears in her eyes?) - Weyland called David "the closest thing to a son I've ever had." My theory is that Vickers was once Weylands right hand droid (his daughter) before the David 8, a more advanced model, replaced her. She has the same emotional issues that affected Ash hence her anger and resentment at Weyland and the apparent tears in her eyes. Bishop talked about inhibitor chips being introduced...I imagine David 8 has such a chip and that is part of what makes him superior. She screams hysterically before she is crushed by the falling ship - I actually don't have an explaination for that one although it may again tie in with the emotional instability of her model (which I believe to be a Hyperdyne 120 A/2). As for Janek, I agree that he was the 'everyman' in Prometheus and probably didn't want to harm or by omission of action, allow to be harmed, another human being. It is possible that he was briefed about the site before they left and what we were seeing during the "blip on the map" scene was the reality of the situation dawning on him. There was something about his manner that threw me though. Can't wait to see it again.

Bella Donna, That’s the saddest thing I’ve read on this entire forum so far. I checked my cellphone a thousand times to make sure it was turned off. If it were me I would’ve gotten up and make him eat his napkin and his cell. Haha can you imagine? EAT THIS! *guy gets up himself, tells me to mind his own business, RUINS my experience…* That’s it! “Don’t even try it you little runt! You splash around in here! That’s it! That’s it! Here’s some mud for you… I’m gonna bury you underground, ELi…. I mean Damon * most evil laugh in history* I’m gonna bury you underground”…LOL LOL “You inconsiderate prick! Do have any idea how much that stings!”

@Druzilla...Great points about Vickers. I totally agree and I've been a believer of her being an android since I first saw the film. Especially after Scott hinted that there was more than one android in the film before it came out. As far as Janek, I do see what you're talking about in regards to him acting "strange" or whatever. Like when he tells them to try not to bugger each other and says "Janek out" or whatever to end the conversation and act like he's gone. Yet he continues to watch them with a very concerned look on his face. But I still can't bring myself to believe that he was up to something or knew something. There's even more evidence to kinda support your theory such as the "I'm just the captain" and "I just fly the ship" comments. You could deduce that he's saying these things and acting this way to throw people off. But for some reason I just can't see him being shady. Not one bit. I doubt we'll ever know either as I'm sure he wont even be mentioned in the sequels. Shame as I think Idris is great and I loved that character.

@Engineering I think you're probably right. We both recognise that he acted a little strangely during that scene but I'm in agreement that there's nothing to suggest that he's a stooge and he is an unlikely candidate for the Burke-esque "crew are expendable" characteristic. In an ideal world there will be flashbacks in the sequels to flesh out Weyland, David and Vickers' backstories. If they did take that approach at least they could utilise Guy Pearce as a young Weyland. Forgive me for offering yet another unfounded theory but I think that Weyland took over the business from his father or maybe long-trusted mentor when he was a young man. When asked by Vickers, his droid servant, why he is not saddened by this he will reply "every king has his reign, then he dies. That is the natural order of things." This will resonate with Vickers prompting her to repeat his words to him in Prometheus...hence his blank, cold response. He's likely thinking "ah, touche!"

@facehug omfg, after the movie i tried to confront that sumbitch but he ignored me to talk on his stupid phone like i wasn't even there!!!! after he stuck his feet out on purpose (made eye-contact with me and smiles like an asshole) i tried to stomp on his feet with my crazy ass high heeled kneehigh boots but he yanked his feet away without moving his head at all.. just kept playing on his stupid ass phone, like i wasn't even there at all.. i was worth him trying to trip me but not worth making eye contact when i tried to stomp his foot and yelled at him? you are a douchebag!!!! note to everyone here.... if you hear a huge news story about some tiny chick slapping a smart phone out of someones hand and smashing the owners face with it repeatedly in oklahoma... thats me...

Was it a blackberry ?

To all Did you notice that when David goes into the cargo hold for the first time that some of the ampules lying in a horizontal position(roughly at chest / head height) has black gOo at their ends ? Alsmost as if they emptied themselves. Why only some and not all ?

I've read a couple things now about David conditioning his hair. I don't think he's conditioning his hair, just combing it. I think he's conditioning his face. It would a lot more sense to condition his face since it isn't a living organism like ours (to prevent drying, promote elasticity, etc...).

Did you notice when shaw went to the emergancy medical pod for the ceserean that she wasn't wearing underware but bandages wrapped around her instead, you could see the safety pin holding the bandage together. Anyone know the explanation for this as it seems a bit bizzar.