Was Our Creation An Accident?

Uneeque

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At the beginning the Engineer voluntarily drinks a toxic substance but it is not clear why. If it was a ritual why was there no ceremony? Is it possible he was being punished? The Engineers were a close knit group living and working in close harmony and very advanced. If an Engineer committed an ultimate sin, the worst punishment would be to leave him in complete isolation as banishment, not unlike the character Prometheus who wanted equal footing with the gods. They gave him a choice to kill himself or wander aimlessly on an empty island far away from any other engineer with no possible means of travel. It looked to me like the Engineer was sad just prior to drinking the goo as he chose suicide. What if the life he spawned was not intentional? At some point the Engineers returned and interacted with the new creations but there was no sign of genocide or torture. The ancient texts and cave art depict a friendly interaction. This could have been some engineers trying to help humans who were completely inferior and served no purpose. In a different thread I speculated they were an older version of us but in this case, they are not a version of us at all. After several attempts to help they simply gave up and left. There was no sign of further attempts at interaction until after we developed the technology for space travel. Maybe some of the Engineers thought we were too big of a mistake to be let out of our earth cage and wanted to stop us before discovering other intelligent life? There is a scene that has been bugging me until now. When the engineer exits stasis and looks at everyone, it seems to be rather surprised and then when David speaks, the Engineer displays an act of remorse just before decapitating David, who he probably assumed was a human. It reminded me of George killing Lennie. The Engineer gently rubbing David's head was a sign of approval and even tenderness. Nevertheless, he had a job to do. Once he saw humans had found their outpost he immediately targeted earth without seeking what happened to his friends. thoughts?

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October 01, 2012

Don't worry; Shaw is flying off to find your answers (but probably not).

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October 01, 2012

I have a bad feeling about this...What if Shaw arrives at the Paradise in the last scene of the movie? O.O in fact I can already imagine Ridley said in an interview: "by the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the Paradise" LOL

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October 01, 2012

Ridley is too smart to try to answer the question Prometheus is asking so I too doubt Shaw will find out for sure. I was trying to piece together an explanation from the currently known information. It just doesn't make sense they would create a completely inferior species who showed them there really was little chance of a positive outcome.

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October 01, 2012

I have to inform you @Uneeque that Prometheous did not, and never wanted to have extra footing with the gods. He was the son of the Titan Lapetus and his mother was a water nymph called Clymene. Even though he did help the gods in defeating the Titans, he never asked for any favors from Zeus. His error was his love for mankind. Not only did he trick Zeus by stealing fire from Mount Olympus and giving it to mankind. This love for the human race probably comes from the fact that Prometheous is also credited for creating man also. The love he had for his creation is what got him into so much trouble. But later on he would be saved by Hercules who would kill the great eagle who was ripping out and eating Prometheous's liver. Which was the punishement Zeus had laid on Prometheous. His love for mankind is what brought him so much trouble, not his desire to be on the level of Zeus.

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October 02, 2012

Did the gods consider his actions as an ultimate sin?

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October 02, 2012

Zeus above all considered the actions taken on by Prometheous to be unforgivable. This was not the first time Prometheous and Zeus had, had a problem. Prometheous had tricked Zeus in the past, but Zeus forgave him. But not the second time.

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October 02, 2012

So he committed an ultimate sin like the engineer in the OP brainstorm. Zeus ordered Prometheus to make humans but Prometheus wanted creative control and decided to play the role of a god by deciding humans should have fire. A choice only a god could make. This is why Prometheus wanted equal footing with the gods. Hope that clears it up for you.

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October 02, 2012

"Here, drink this black stuff and Jump into that waterfall. It's going to wreck your DNA and leave no trace of you whatsoever, because that's the way we like to do things around here. Feck knows what it's made of. I mean, all we can do is fly big spaceships around the place." On the other hand... "Look at this weird black stuff that wriggles about and all. Your time's up, Bluey, but don't worry because you are going to be the seed of life on this planet. We're dead good at all this DNA engineering stuff, you know. You'll thank us one day." I know which one makes more sense to me.

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October 02, 2012

@zzplural. LV223 is proof the Engineers are not infallible creators. They obviously didn't know the result of their weapons program unless you want to claim they purposefully created a weapon to use on themselves. I know which one makes the most sense to me.

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October 02, 2012

Just because an industrial accident occurred on LV_233 is not a good argument for saying that Engineers accidentally managed to create us.

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October 02, 2012

Nobody said it was zzplural. Try sticking to what is posted.

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October 02, 2012

As others have noted, man, you have some serious issues. You were the one who brought up the notion of the Engineers being fallible, leading to the accident on LV_233 (or [i]proof[/i], as you call it), and using this to bolster the notion that we were created by accident. Thanks for your advice, by the way, but I'll continue to highlight nonsense when I see it.

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October 02, 2012

Regarding the planet markings from the ancient cultures, Shaw and others assumed it was a map. But what if it was a tag of ownership? The Engineers can't be the only intelligent life form with great space travel ability so maybe the map markings was a way of saying: "This planet belongs to us." The purpose was bait. Lv223 is where the map leads but that is a desolate and fairly useless planet. It may have been a way to get other intelligent life forms to come to the engineers which is why they hid their ships on lv223.

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October 02, 2012

@zzplural.. ....you should focus more on trying to keep up versus your personal assessments of complete strangers. You are the one who claimed: (zzplural) "We're dead good at all this DNA engineering stuff, you know. You'll thank us one day." Do you get it now? I didn't bring up fallibility to bolster my argument. I brought it up to show your claim is pretty weak. If the Engineers were so good at DNA engineering how the hell did they make their own destruction?? That was my only reason for raising the fallibility issue. I hope the majority of people on here are not like you, voidhawk or rubirosa because all ive seen you do at this point is try to personally attack others for their brainstorms.

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October 02, 2012

[i]"If the Engineers were so good at DNA engineering how the hell did they make their own destruction?"[/i] Oooh, let me guess. It was a fecking [b]accident[/b]. Shit happens. If all you've seen of a named few of us are personal attacks, you must have your eyes closed, my friend. I'll give you a bit of advice, shall I. Chill out a bit and stop telling people what they should be doing.

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October 02, 2012

So it was an accident they created their own destruction but laughable they accidentally created another species. Okay. Even your goal post moving didn't really help much.

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October 04, 2012

I have to admit @Uneeque that you do have a great imagination.

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October 04, 2012

Thank you...and thank you for seeing it was lighthearted comment.

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October 04, 2012

Hey rub, no need to post when talking to yourself. :-)

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October 04, 2012

Grow up kid!