Was Our Creation An Accident?

Don't worry; Shaw is flying off to find your answers (but probably not).

I have a bad feeling about this...What if Shaw arrives at the Paradise in the last scene of the movie? O.O in fact I can already imagine Ridley said in an interview: "by the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the Paradise" LOL

Ridley is too smart to try to answer the question Prometheus is asking so I too doubt Shaw will find out for sure. I was trying to piece together an explanation from the currently known information. It just doesn't make sense they would create a completely inferior species who showed them there really was little chance of a positive outcome.

I have to inform you @Uneeque that Prometheous did not, and never wanted to have extra footing with the gods. He was the son of the Titan Lapetus and his mother was a water nymph called Clymene. Even though he did help the gods in defeating the Titans, he never asked for any favors from Zeus. His error was his love for mankind. Not only did he trick Zeus by stealing fire from Mount Olympus and giving it to mankind. This love for the human race probably comes from the fact that Prometheous is also credited for creating man also. The love he had for his creation is what got him into so much trouble. But later on he would be saved by Hercules who would kill the great eagle who was ripping out and eating Prometheous's liver. Which was the punishement Zeus had laid on Prometheous. His love for mankind is what brought him so much trouble, not his desire to be on the level of Zeus.

Did the gods consider his actions as an ultimate sin?

Zeus above all considered the actions taken on by Prometheous to be unforgivable. This was not the first time Prometheous and Zeus had, had a problem. Prometheous had tricked Zeus in the past, but Zeus forgave him. But not the second time.

So he committed an ultimate sin like the engineer in the OP brainstorm. Zeus ordered Prometheus to make humans but Prometheus wanted creative control and decided to play the role of a god by deciding humans should have fire. A choice only a god could make. This is why Prometheus wanted equal footing with the gods. Hope that clears it up for you.

"Here, drink this black stuff and Jump into that waterfall. It's going to wreck your DNA and leave no trace of you whatsoever, because that's the way we like to do things around here. Feck knows what it's made of. I mean, all we can do is fly big spaceships around the place." On the other hand... "Look at this weird black stuff that wriggles about and all. Your time's up, Bluey, but don't worry because you are going to be the seed of life on this planet. We're dead good at all this DNA engineering stuff, you know. You'll thank us one day." I know which one makes more sense to me.

@zzplural. LV223 is proof the Engineers are not infallible creators. They obviously didn't know the result of their weapons program unless you want to claim they purposefully created a weapon to use on themselves. I know which one makes the most sense to me.

Just because an industrial accident occurred on LV_233 is not a good argument for saying that Engineers accidentally managed to create us.

Nobody said it was zzplural. Try sticking to what is posted.

As others have noted, man, you have some serious issues. You were the one who brought up the notion of the Engineers being fallible, leading to the accident on LV_233 (or [i]proof[/i], as you call it), and using this to bolster the notion that we were created by accident. Thanks for your advice, by the way, but I'll continue to highlight nonsense when I see it.

Regarding the planet markings from the ancient cultures, Shaw and others assumed it was a map. But what if it was a tag of ownership? The Engineers can't be the only intelligent life form with great space travel ability so maybe the map markings was a way of saying: "This planet belongs to us." The purpose was bait. Lv223 is where the map leads but that is a desolate and fairly useless planet. It may have been a way to get other intelligent life forms to come to the engineers which is why they hid their ships on lv223.

@zzplural.. ....you should focus more on trying to keep up versus your personal assessments of complete strangers. You are the one who claimed: (zzplural) "We're dead good at all this DNA engineering stuff, you know. You'll thank us one day." Do you get it now? I didn't bring up fallibility to bolster my argument. I brought it up to show your claim is pretty weak. If the Engineers were so good at DNA engineering how the hell did they make their own destruction?? That was my only reason for raising the fallibility issue. I hope the majority of people on here are not like you, voidhawk or rubirosa because all ive seen you do at this point is try to personally attack others for their brainstorms.

[i]"If the Engineers were so good at DNA engineering how the hell did they make their own destruction?"[/i] Oooh, let me guess. It was a fecking [b]accident[/b]. Shit happens. If all you've seen of a named few of us are personal attacks, you must have your eyes closed, my friend. I'll give you a bit of advice, shall I. Chill out a bit and stop telling people what they should be doing.

So it was an accident they created their own destruction but laughable they accidentally created another species. Okay. Even your goal post moving didn't really help much.

I have to admit @Uneeque that you do have a great imagination.

Thank you...and thank you for seeing it was lighthearted comment.

Hey rub, no need to post when talking to yourself. :-)

Grow up kid!

The Engineers were victims of circumstance. That's very different to stating that "they created their own destruction". "They created the means by which they were subsequently destroyed" would be a far more accurate description of events. Nobody is in any doubt that the Engineers are fallible and that accidents do happen, as was apparently the case on LV_223. Their fallibility has no bearing on whether or not they accidentally created us at the start of the movie. They are [i]Engineers[/i]. They are purposeful. They use their skills and knowledge to design, build and maintain complicated systems and processes. They used highly engineered pico-technology to break apart the first Engineer's DNA. In such a specific way that there was [i]obviously[/i] intent behind their actions. Yes, to imagine that all of that was for no purpose other than to destroy the Engineer is, frankly, risible in my opinion. His DNA fragments were purposefully sown in an environment conducive to dispersal.

We dont know what they are. Shaw gave them the title of "Engineers" but there is no evidence those on LV223 are the same ones who visited earth. I think there is a reason Holloway highlighted one of the markings being 35,000 years old. What doesn't make sense is they would leave one entity to fertilize earth. Other than their advanced technology all we have seen from them so far is failure.

[i]"We dont know what they are. Shaw gave them the title of "Engineers" but there is no evidence those on LV223 are the same ones who visited earth."[/i] There is plenty of supporting evidence that this is so, but it is not relevant to your contention that we were created by accident, so it's not something I'll explore here. The ancients were big, blue, humanoid, had exactly the same eyes, flew around in massive spaceships and messed around with black goo technology. Put that in a court of law and you'll find someone saying "I rest my case, M'Lud". Let's call them Engineers based on their actions. We frankly don't know the full extent of their motivations. The original planet may have been one of millions that they were seeding. Or it may have been Earth. Many scientists today would assert that all life on Earth today sprang from a very limited number (possibly even one) of initial self-replicating molecules. The lone Engineer's body provided vast numbers of building blocks (ten to the power 24 at least), way way more than is necessary to kick off life.

I think it is quite possible they are androids of another civilization and from what we saw on LV223 they were very utilitarian. We saw nothing in Prometheus where they actually designed anything but only the end results. What makes the least amount of sense is they would use one entity to populate earth. Now, P2 could open with several ships dropping off several Engineers in different parts of the earth and that would make sense. I saw the theory earth was being used to harvest but that makes even less sense. If they are engineers that could create as well as we are lead to believe, they would not need to go through such a lengthy inefficient process. Bottom line is I am just exploring an explanation for why they interacted with ancient cultures, never brought them together, never shared their technology, and why they suddenly stopped all interaction.

The Jesus Christ theory about Christ himself being sent by the Engineers or being an Engineer himself has been spoken about before on other threads. Talking about religion is not a problem here on this site. When Prometheous came out there were many conversations about the Jesus Christ/Engineer theory. To be honest with you anything is possible.

There are many who talk on from ignorance rather than from knowledge, and who find the former an inexhaustible fund of conversation.- William Hazlitt (1778-1830) British essayist.

Good job ignoring your glaring error. It is so sweet you follow up with a self righteous soap box dance.

Some people might flame me for getting the religious stuff here but, in the movie, it was mentioned that the Engineers where in hibernation for "about" 2000 years, that puts it around the time of the Crucifixion.... They tried to fix their creation, but failed (according to them).

That doesn't make much sense because why would they send an engineer way over 35 light years away to talk to a fraction of the population?

Well, that fraction of the population did a pretty good job spreading the messagge to the whole planet, that message is EVERYWHERE now. Whether the Catholic church distorted and manipulated it is another story... Everyone got the message but still they all act like savages. Reason enough to destroy? At the begining of the movie, it took just ONE engineer to populate a whole planet. BIG THINGS HAVE SMALL BEGININGS

Ah! This time I found myself on the same track of thought. I have posted this same argument before, in an old thread. Those first scenes could be not a sacrifice, but a punishment laid to that engineer due some great act of crime against their masters. On my original posting the engineers are ptobably a bio-tool created by the real Masters to perform many tasks, one of them scouting and finally seeding new planets (then it would make sense that scenes, as why an advanced civ would sacrifice one of their own to perform an action a drone could have done splicing genes in a tank - ultimately they would be doing just that!). Those tools, gaining full sentience given their advanced design, rebelled against their masters millions of years ago, and the First Rebel would be that engineer, sentenced to Death by the Very Form they Use to Seed. That created a martyr image revered by the ones following him (thus the Big Head - his head - on the Ampule Room) . As a by-product we were created (by accident or just to use this martyr figure to do his job, not sure, could be both one or the other). After his death the conflict within the True Masters civilization began to grow, and a battle that could be raging for millions of years is presented to us. On my post, I also proposed that the xenos are the police/enforcer/soldier of these masters , used to control their creations, this creating a relation of hate/admiration among the engineers for the creatures, imprinted on them after aeons being under Master's control. They could have, on all those millenia, spread small millitary bases among the stars, to battle their masters and research better weapons to fight them, as well as call for any upstart civilization to join them when ready, so that is why the invitation, as that moon was the installation in charge of our system (and possibly many others). The derelict we saw on the first movi could be a vessel from the real masters, so the Giant Space Jockey is one of the True Masters, carrying a cargo of their enforcers, and the crashing/landing so near one of the engineers base gave them the oportunity to get and research enemy weapons loaded on that ship, crashing so near their own moon. THe invitation on Earth could be planted to gain our help when ready. That could explain many things on Prometheus. Why the scene at the beginning, a possible explanation to the derelict (as it is very near the engineer's installation for a plot reason), a possible explanation for the giant in the chair, being real Master or a Worker Model, thus being giant, of the engineers). Could explain the attack at their base, maybe by gov loyal forces, and could explain why Earth was targeted for destruction, maybe to erase at last the offspring of the original offender. This could also explain the actions of that engineer, as we saw in the recordings they were entering that ship calmly, and then preparing to leave for Earth according to David. Maybe they were part of the forces attacking that installation, infiltrators or clear aggressors, and once the job there was done they would finish the job erasing Earth, according to their orders. Before departing something went wrong (maybe someone left near their ships was able to launch an electronic attack to delay/stop their departure, as they were using the base's ships for going to Earth (infiltrators then...) This scenario could explain their respect for the xenos, being those almost demonic figures, used to control them, and could also explain why using the same tech as their masters (if the Space Jockey at the derelict is one of those) because that is what they always used. Also explain the suits, as they would be designed to immitate their masters (a way to use the ones that used them for so long...) I have posted this on an older thread, and he concept is interesting, but the restored scenes might make this not workable anyway, or not... The engineer on hte first scenes was not really happy by his face, but determined to go through it. Due honor (obeyng a rule from his masters, even though he doubted them - maybe pacifically at first, his death leading to conflict later) or due threats to his people would be not sure. The engineers on the deleted scenes might be just the group in charge of the execution, not the Real Masters (Ah, if e could see Giants in the distance...) The concept is interesting. Maybe those wishing Earth to be special will not like it, but this at least would be more logical than a species sacrificing their own to do what a simple ampule wuld do, and leaving invitations along millenia to visit a barren moon housing a somewhat discrete wepon's research base. Well, this is a summary of my old thread, but the idea is intersting and would make a good expanation of what we saw so far... Big Things Have Small Begginings: A single voice dissented from the Masters, and was sentenced to Death, leading to a Galactic conflict raging for aeons already...

Lol.....almost seemed like you were disappointed we had a similar idea :-) Other than thinking the Engineer was being punished, I don't see a whole lot in common. I like the idea of the engineers being tools of another entity but after thinking about it, chances are they are autonomous for the main reason of the ghost in the machine. A civilization so advanced would probably have put in a fail safe to prevent the uprising. If they are droids, then it is possible an enemy found a bypass to the fail safe and implemented their own software to cause the uprising. Switching tracks, we may all be on the wrong track with the black goo. It is not a deadly weapon. It does not kill. It only mutates living organisms. (It was reminding me of Resident Evil but I couldn't figure that out at first.) What if each canister on the Juggs represented one planet? You put that black goo airborne and it would be enough for a continent because it would have few natural enemies, if any, that could successfully defend themselves. What if those canisters were designed to make countless Paradise planets? Back to the blue dude on earth. Honestly, when I saw what was happening I didn't think it could seed anything because it was completely destroying the DNA and not simply breaking it up for seeding.

Not disappointed, no no. just a fun statement, as we are not agreeing on other threads. I will always discuss and exchange ideas when I see a good point. About failsafes, I imagine so as well, but given that there should be those on their own bioweapons and yet they failed, it is not a big step to imagine their intelligent biotools to rebe, especially with possibly millions of years for that to grow on these sentient tools. Just a small doubt could grow immensely in a long time period. So we could still have that plot going... Good take on the ampules...then we could see that installation not as a millitary one, but a seeding base...but then the millitary interpretation is still more coherent to what we know from the derelict being a millitary vessel.

My guess is the Engineers were originally seeding planets with DNA. On a planet with no life except some microbes, and I don't recall seeing any plant life in teh intro, they introduce the basic building blocks of life. The black DNA soup he drinks immediately breaks his DNA apart, then once in the water, begins to form life. The water eventually will go to the sea, producing more life as it mutates and takes in nutrients. Thus the planet has life - begins to evolve. Why? Maybe because they could. Why do we grow stuff and study it? Because we can and have a thirst for knowlege.