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Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 9:17 AMWhen Shaw/Ford/David are starting to analyze the Last Engineer on the Prometheus..Shaw want to 'trick the nervous system to think it is alive.."
Is there any medical or scientific basis for this procedure?
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belladonna
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 9:27 AMYEP!! this stuff=
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MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 9:27 AMOnly if you're a fan of Frankenstein and believe that the application of electrical current can reanimate dead tissue.
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belladonna
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 9:30 AMHerbert West would disagree
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MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 9:32 AMYeah, Lovecraft had a way with words didn't he.
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belladonna
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 9:36 AMyes and yes :)
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 10:13 AMSay the trick works what would Shaw want to happen?
I mean since there is no body attached to the head(David can relate to that), is there an expectation that the Head could communicate to them without vocal chords/lungs?(David can also relate to this situation) How?
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belladonna
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 10:37 AMmaybe its against the law to do that to people so they figured "hey lets pop the alien head in see what happens, no law against that!"
i think they have just been dyyyying to use that thing to see what would happen.
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MemberFacehuggerNov-01-2012 10:41 AMNothing much in Prometheus seems to care about being realistic so don't worry about this part :O ...
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dopelganger
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 11:18 AMDr. Frakensteen did it so why not Prometheus?
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MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 11:26 AMWonder if jumper cables would have worked?
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 11:36 AMI guess this thread qualifies as a nit wit question..
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claudius
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 12:44 PMthis may possible ,we are in year 2093,shaw want to see how react the tissue with the spots,she belive its a disease

belladonna
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 12:44 PMhey now, your thread is getting more bumps then my last one did :P
honestly i think they were just trying it as an experiment, it didnt seem like something thats been done and had some kind of results that would help them investigate alien life.
it may work with an entire body, be able to try to speak and move if it "tricked" into thinking it is alive.
yeah, a head without any vocal chords is pretty useless, but weyland was demanding them to "try harder" and they were all high on excitement so i think they jumped the gun and did it like i said, to see what happens.
they did a lot of stuff just to see what happens, like david's toddler like button pushing and milburn wanting to touch the alien wiener snake (although i hope weed had something to do with that decision).
so id say= blinded by excitement, curiosity, corporate pressure, and an open bar.
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Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 2:46 PMSome Russians did it to dogs at one point.
I think it's in the movie for a thematic basis.
Tricking the head into thinking its alive is thematically linked to David's head and the trick that he talks about when he quotes Lawrence of Arabia at the start of the movie. Furthermore, we've seen something similar with Ash and Bishop in Alien 3, but David didn't have to have that done to him. There's something different about David's brain, like Frankenstein's monster.
The deception part. The trick. Tied into David making people think he's less of a "real boy".
David's tricks are the opposite.
Making the crew think he's not "alive", isn't a real boy, or isn't developing real emotions... he's a decapitated head who gets to live and has a different brain than all the other androids... one with emotional understanding and a different type of behaviour inhibition...
I've been hinting that David is a lot like Frankensteins monster, and Weyland is like the Dr. Frankenstein of the future...
David can't be hurt physically so he doesn't have to hide pain.
He doesn't mind that his trick hurts.
He also has to not mind his emotional understanding/programming...

Major Noob
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 3:06 PMBelladonna- off topic re: the Hammerpede: to me it's very simple, Millburn was sealed into the equivalent of a bulletproof Hazmat suit. No way did he expect the squishy little blind thing to break his arm, bleed acid, reveal itself to be immortal, penetrate his suit and nest in his throat.

joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 3:23 PMshaw noticed the change in the tissue on the engineer's head. she attempted to stimulate the nervous system in an effort to hopefully bring about some sort of change in the anomalous pigmentation (we know its a virus (or something similar)). In fact, she did bring about change in the virus/infection. the stimulation of the engineer's nervous system accelerated (reawakened) the infection....splat!
Its not like shaw was attempting to just turn the engineer back and on and sit down to a cup of coffee with him.

belladonna
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 3:27 PMthats because apparently he isnt into weird animals as i am lol.
bella's first rule= if you must poke something, always poke it with a stick
bella's second rule= there are countless creatures on or own planet, land and sea that are dangerous even inside a skin tight suit... so creatures from another world have the poteltial to be as, if not more, dangerous. so dont touch it!
i want that summarized on my tomb stone lol. "see something weird, leave it alone. if you cant, then poke it with a stick".
i have gloves and kevlar arm guards for some animals i handle and some can manage to get some teeth or claws through that when they dont want to be touched. and kevlar aint no joke!
and i still blame weed, or he is just a duface and weed accentuated that.... because for an example i got a baby lizard last week and he is very adorable, small and cute and the next day he flipped out and went to town on my forefinger and drew quite a lot of blood, just because he didnt want me touching him at that particular time.
so... i dont see why an alien wouldnt do the same thing... especially a worm like one. a lot of worms (parasitic) like to come inside of hosts and some have beaks and will gnaw through skin in no time to enter your body.
also, the obvious threat display it put off, and it was striking like a snake. anyone that knows anything about ANY kind of animal would have recognized that as a defensive posture and action. it clearly was not amused and wanted to be left alone.
of course i would have never gotten near it, if it came near me i would have set it on fire lol. kurt russel taught us that lesson.
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Major Noob
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 3:56 PMThat poor old man poked The Blob with a stick and look what happened to him.
Millburn just seems like the type to assume he's absolutely safe in his little terrarium suit. When it initially bites him he doesn't seem too concerned. Of course that changes rather quickly..

belladonna
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 4:44 PMthat man was a FOOL, the stick was much too short. he had absolutely no eye for a proper poking stick and that was his downfall.
plus it was a f-ing meteor, forrest gump would have known it was hot and shouldnt be poked by anything, especially not wood... and that goes strait back to my rule of leaving unidentifiable things alone, no poking!
and mary jane slows down your reaction time and doesnt do a whole lot for feeling concerned. (none of the stoners i have known were every concerned about anything except being greedy with a doobie)
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A.S. Flynn
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 7:22 PMI'm sure there is, but he wouldn't actually be "alive" or aware, any movement of the head would just be mechanical, nerve impulses, etc.

Fleshvessel
MemberOvomorphNov-05-2012 8:53 AMWe do this all the time! Maybe not with decapitated Engineer heads, but come on people- there are machines keeping people alive all over the world! Someone's heart stops- we zap it alive again. Lungs dont work- no problem- respirator (iron lung).
Brain dead- no worries, we've got that covered as well.
The medical system "tricks" the body into staying alive everyday! Yeah, maybe the head couldn't speak- i dont think that was Shaw's intention anyway, she just wanted to analyze the infection.
Anyway- yes, it IS possible, and by 2093 or whatever, i'm sure our methods will be far more advanced.
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joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphNov-05-2012 4:32 PM@fleshvessel: you are right on. I also agree concerning shaws intentions. Like i said in my earlier post, its not as if she was hoping to sit down and have a cup of coffee with the engineer head. She was clearly trying to stimulate the anomalous pigmentation/infection. the scene was science fiction, but very reasonable science fiction.

zzplural
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-05-2012 5:06 PM"..she was hoping to sit down and have a cup of coffee with the engineer head. .."
That may be so,,but if the Head wanted cream in his coffee,, I bet Shaw would listen...
.. I know I would lend an ear..
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Fleshvessel
MemberOvomorphNov-05-2012 10:16 PMJoeyjoe,
That's just it!! Reasonable scifi- exactly! I love this kind of stuff, when it IS scifi but rooted in the truth or at least has some scientific merit.
Instead of, Oh i don't know, Justin Timberlake arm-wrestling a life-stealing hipster and winning utilizing the Stallone-Over-The-Top kung-fu grip.
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zzplural
MemberOvomorphDec-06-2012 10:23 AMOK, it doesn't happen until 2071:
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphDec-06-2012 10:40 AMThank you, zzplural, for pointing out Weyland involvement in this Nervous System research through the years.
With Ford and David involved in this research(or at least knowing about it) this testing of the head is just another step in this process.
I don't know how much Shaw would know of this but she seemed to knowledgable of the medical field.
Now knowing a bit of the background this scene doesn't seem so bizarre.
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