nostromo001
MemberOvomorphNov-12-2012 4:25 PMMateo, thanks for the link! That article and the one it references [url=http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=45642.0]here[/url] systemetically breaks down the differences between the Spaihts script and the finished movie using commentary by DL and JSp that I haven't yet heard but now will avidly look for.
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nostromo001
MemberOvomorphNov-12-2012 6:47 PMAgreed Blue!
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Prenihility
MemberOvomorphNov-12-2012 10:33 PMBetter than the original.
Predatordreads
MemberOvomorphNov-12-2012 11:49 PMIn the fine words of Larry David "Prettay prettay prettay prettay good!" I must say though it is cool that this is where Prometheus came from. The tone of the Spaits script is how I thought the movie would turn out after seeing all the leaked Photos from the comic con footage from July 11. I would love to do a stop motion action figure movie using this script.
Custodian
MemberOvomorphNov-13-2012 12:46 AMREAD IT last night, in a couple hours, in a fit of interest.
Is that REALLY the script Scott/Fox had Lindelof butcher? I mean, it states it clearly THE ENGINEERS ARE DEAD.
D . E . A . D .
And that was before the later Engineer 'reveal'. Cool reveal btw, just how I'd have hoped a Giger film might have looked. I'm talking about, of course, the Space Jockey chair. You need a Pressure Suit to get into it. And the Pressure Suit binds onto your skin, like the Space Jockey chair binds with you, like the Stasis Table binds with you. Not just some 'tubes and folding ribcage', this alien tech actually penetrates the Engineer's flesh. I'm thinking serious Tetsuo, iron man. I'm talking about a Giger Painting.
And the JOY of a still-mutating alien force among the crewmen, both Fifield AND Holloway AND the thing that comes out of Shaw (Watts). I really enjoyed (with gory glee) the extended-stay MediPod scene where that 'thing' is tossed out then grows and destroys THEN the medipod throws Shaw out.
I love the reintroduction of the ACID for blood. I love the scarabs; the opening scene and the further scarabs-in-air scene (I'm thinking of the Sentinels from the Matrix, for some reason, but tiny). I particularly loved Vickers' 'army in a bag' of four soldiers who come to life halfway through the script; turns up the Corporate War Machine another notch.
And it's weird how some pre-production shots, like the galley to the parked Juggernaut, are depicted in this script - suggesting that sketch work had already started while LIndelof was brought in, and that scene was dumped.
I liked Dangerous David, the reckless robot. I liked how the Engineers were bald AND earless. It would have been nice to have had an i-robot-like David who was a foreshadowing mirror of these Engineers in his design; more human than human, but missing things, details erased, mysteriously non-human. The extra-sensory overlays of both David's vision and the Engineers' vision - KEY to both design and covert duties, imho.
For me, this was HOW A PROPER ALIEN PREQUEL should have felt, somebody mentioend 'the right tone', even if Fox/Scott/Lindelof decided to redirect the thrust of the film more towards a 'parallel franchise that's never mentioned' in the entirety of the franchise that came post-Alien; namely "Paradise".
Needed a polish, for sure, this script, but it was a nostalgic joy - without the queen - and it had a STILL MUTATING alien, always my 'memory' of the original Alien all those years back, that it hadn't fully hardened yet, was pliable, able to utilise its acid to core through architecture, that made me very happy.
Elephantine Space jockey makes more sense if Engineer HAS TO BE IN PRESSURE SUIT to climb in - that actually makes sense, based on holomemory and earlier pre-production shots of pressure-suited cryo units. Everything should have remained pressure-suit based -- i.e. not built into Seat (because how can you get into THAT chair with a pressure suit on. Yeah, that simple Pilot Error.
Chris, et al, thanks for confirming that Prometheus (would they have called it Magellan) was nearly a proper ADULT film.
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nostromo001
MemberOvomorphNov-13-2012 1:30 AMSo Custodian, sounds like you would have pretty much dumped all of Damon Lindelof's contributions and just gone for a Jon Spaihts movie just 99 percent like this script? Just goes to show we are all entitled to our own opinions. If everybody had exactly the same taste then the demand for any given item or even person would outrun demand. All the guys would be after just one girl, car etc... Fortunately this is not so and there is enough to go around for all of us. I couldn't disagree with your taste more but that's fine as we must agree to disagree. I will say this though. I am glad they changed things up because I feel like the alien motif has been played out. This script just lacked the imagination to go a new direction like the finished Prometheus, which can even stand on its own although it will greatly benefit from the sequel. The final script used in the movie to me and certainly to a lot of others besides was superior because it deviated from the straight alien prequel and it did so with vision. It went from another scare fest to a film that asks the biggest questions one can ask. To me I love the first two alien movies but they have already focused those two movies on xenomorphs that have acid for blood, gestate inside a living host and chestburst forth, along with renagade synthetics following a hidden protocol programmed by the evil corporation. Its already been done and done well. Believe me if they had used this script to make yet another alien movie with the same design aliens and eggs and all the rest of the elements from Alien, it would have been a box office flop with no sequel and most viewers would wind up hating Ridley Scott and Jon Spaihts and accuse them both of lacking in imagination. The critics would have a field day and rightly so!! I'm supprised to find a person who fails to appreciate the Prometheus that was made rather than Alien Engineers based upon this script.
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphNov-13-2012 2:12 AMNostromo,
I didn't say, "Spaihts script better than Lindelof," I merely highlighted what "I" thought was valid from the original Spaihts script, as OPPOSED TO (but not exclusive of) the Lindelof script.
This script had BALLS, the Lindelof script read like LOST (with all its false exits and 'continuity errors' like the non-pressure-suit entry into chair/cryo et al.
I wanted OMINOUS BLACK ARCHITECTURE, like those early sketches, where 'only David' could see the other wavelength sub-structure and energy lines etc.
:)
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Reimer
MemberOvomorphNov-13-2012 9:59 AMIntriguing read. Much darker and gorier than the film, though also suffering from too many where-are-we-now-and-why bouts of crew shuttling back and forth between earth ship and engineer ruins. The Milburn death scene is more how I pictured it as happening before someone lost their nerve and drew a felt-tip snake entering his mouth (ie a real horrid shocker). Agree with others about Vickers & David being more believable/interesting in the film.
Custodian
MemberOvomorphNov-14-2012 1:00 AMMe, I would have 'put up with' some enhanced physical fx (as they did in the (excellent) The Thing prequel) if it would have offered Prometheus shots like these:
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god, I love that image, such 'potential' such 'living horror'
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nostromo001
MemberOvomorphNov-14-2012 5:59 AMCustodian I just got done watching the writers commentary on the BluRay version and DL apologizes all over the place that people might hate him because he likes to avoid stating the obvious but rather leave it open to generate lots of talk afterwards like what we are doing now. I personally agree with DL as his approach retains the mystery and gives the viewer much to speculate about.
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-14-2012 6:46 AMI have finished about 1/2 of the original script and rnjoyed the [presentation.
I am having trouble getting back to to finish the story,,,and I don't know why!
Perhaps I might like it more,,and don't want to discount the Prometheus movie as we know it.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
Custodian
MemberOvomorphNov-14-2012 10:06 AMNostromo,
I still think the Lindelof/Scott script (while asking a lot of questions) has NO EXIT STRATEGY i.e. they'll end up lost in Pro2 and Pro3, a bit, the logical viewer might need to suspend his criticality whilst enjoying the visuals.
Maybe I should have entered Prometheus, the way I entered Stargate - BY TAKING MY BRIAN OUT. That way, you'd all be more happier that I've been happier for the experience.
That elephant-suit error though ... that was just weird. The fact that THE ONLY WAY to get in that chair 'should have been' a [b]normal Engineer[/b] suited up with his little tapir-suit. Based on the holograms and the cryo sketches, I suspect a (space jockey/cryo) redesign somewhere LATE in the pre-production.
But who cares, it would have been a great film if I'd not given Ridley Scott so much credit. I'll remember for next time, though.
:)
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CULT
MemberOvomorphNov-14-2012 11:08 AMSophisticated. Really? Not the first word that jumps to my mind..
CULT
MemberOvomorphNov-14-2012 11:32 AMYou've got to approach this thing like one approaches Nietzsche.. Whatever opinions you may have about the scrips/film - you can take it or leave it. It's the continuity errors in logic that are the most troubling... and the final product, our beloved Prometheus, is a bit top heavy with them. Who's at fault for this? Again ya'll discuss that amongst yourselves...
CULT
MemberOvomorphNov-14-2012 11:53 AMOne can't line up ALIEN w/ PROMETHEUS without running into problems with a 'logical' sequence of events - the movies are really parallel universes all their own.. two derielicts.. two transmissions.. two planetoids.. two.. two.. two.. it's a parallel universe I tell ya.. Next installment entitled: PROMETHEUSES
Chris
AdminEngineerNov-14-2012 2:35 PMSorry folks, Fox has asked me to take the script down. Hopefully you got to save it in time, as it's an awesome read. I will be posting a write up which I've been working on the past couple days since reading it, very soon. So for those who did not get to see it, I will have a write up of the script up by tonight. So keep your eyes pealed for that! :) And if you're heartbroken about the script being taken down, feel free to PM me...
Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4
Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-15-2012 5:07 AMFrom what I have rtead I thought it was very good...Situations were presented charactors embellished and threads mentioned that I found quite interesting.
It is the kind of script I wish would have been made..not to replace the Prometheus we have enjoyed but as a different view to a similar situation.
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Mauro HC
MemberOvomorphNov-24-2012 5:41 PMcan anyone email me the script?? please :/
loserhc@gmail.com thanks :)
fader
MemberOvomorphNov-25-2012 11:41 AMI liked it, perhaps that script should have been used...
I should reach the frontier in about 6 weeks. With a little luck, the network will pick me up. This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo....
Preston
MemberOvomorphJan-13-2013 12:50 PMWhere can I read Alien: Engineers?
Tru3 Chaos
MemberOvomorphDec-05-2013 3:44 AM@Preston- you can read it on Scribd website
My opinons... I know I'm a year behind. I really enjoyed the beginning part. It really explained the changing of humans throughout history.
However, I thought the plot was too straight to alien. I didn't think it represented the evolution well. It was straight to alien... not a mistake in tampering. I would have liked to see more alien... don't get me wrong. But the scarabs I felt were a bit too much. I think the original shows the evolution of the forumula being tainted and finally making a monstrosity that will probably eventually become a parasite.