Comparing Engineers

The Engineers from the opening scene and the Engineers from the film are not the same! There is a time span of some thousand years in between! :) I guess, their culture has changed during that time.

The facial structure of the Engineers looks suspiciously like the face in the Shroud of Turin...

Why can't it be a simple as Shaw suggests - they changed their minds. because, as simple as David suggests, to create you have to destroy. No factions, just that they and our purpose changed. Like Ridley originally thought about suggesting with the whole Jesus thing - sometimes you realise your children are just too bad, too far down the wrong path and you have to take them out.

A predator was inside the head room looking at the captain with his signature, three-red-dot-triangle targeting system, and you can hear him in the background. The predator was also probably the lifeform one of the pups detected. It was walking down that passage until it reached the closed door, where it may have stood for a while trying to open it before walking back.

The predators are an important race in the universe.

Well there are many possibilities... But as for the differences...... Well Lets look at these... [img]http://www.aviationbusinessconsultants.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/fighter-pilot.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/img/themes/society/language/446x251/modern_druid.jpg[/img] Now i am not implying that the Space Jockey Suit is a Flight suit, i think it has many purposes. Inc Bio Hazard Suit. My point being that the Pressure Suits and Space Jockey Suits are just that, a suit but one that bonds to the Engineers skin, so its like what if you had a Gorilla Coat that when worn the Fur attaches to your skin so you actually wear the Fur just as the Gorilla does. However the question is why do the Engineers at the start now have these... Well.... Maybe.. one of more of these... 1) They dont need them as the planets environment was hospitable and not hazardous. 2) It was a religious Sacrifice/Event as such that bishops and monks where religious robes at Church etc but they dont when they are at at home. 3) Maybe they never possessed the Tech for the Pressure/Space Jockey Suits and Juggernaut at the start of the movie, remember these scene could been many many hundreds of Millions of years ago. 4) Maybe the Bio Tech of the Suits and Juggernauts was obtained at a latter date by reverse Engineering or Stealing from something or some race they came across.... i.e connected to the Xeno. My other point and reason for those images... is well look at the Prometheus Crew do they walk around in their Space Suits all day... Nope only when they are needed for a purpose and that purpose is that outside that Ship the Environment is Hazardous to them. The Engineer Ships Produce a Environment that the crew can live in, and the Engineer did get to the lifeboat without his Mask, so the suit is maybe not needed for them to breath in that environment . Nope maybe its to protect the Urns and Cargo of Eggs from what ever Atmospheric Changes/Contamination are caused via the breathing of the Engineers. By that maybe had the Crew not taken off their Helmets maybe it would not have affected the Ampule Room?

As far as the Agenda and Star Maps.... We do not know if the Engineers used LV 223 as a outpost to watch over Mankind, maybe they was working on Tera Forming it as a place of Worship for Mankind to one day when ready come to find their creators. Maybe then as we upset the Engineers in the past and they decided to do away with us, they decided to change what they may have started as a Paradise for Mankind to now be used a Weapons/Military testing Facility to create a Bio Weapon to destroy. Like a God changing the Garden or Eden into a Garden of Death Harbinging now just poison fruit.

LV 223 is an outpost of the Devil, and the head statue is he. They were stopped from destroying humanity 2,000 years ago because they were defeated and humanity saved by God at that time.

The Engineers at the beginning created the bio-armored Engineers, like Weyland created David. This is why once awoken he does 2 things: 1. Admires David, strokes his face gently...then uses him to kill his maker. 2. Automatically kills and embarks on the original mission. He's a far more advanced Android, but an Android nonetheless, following his orders... Which I might add isn't necessarily to destroy us, but could be to evolve us further, after all, we upgrade our Androids too...

I hear much talk of this, of bio-mechanical suits for some of the engineers and such, but I'm not convinced at all that any of them are articifial lifeforms. The message from the film was clearly that they share our DNA, that we came from them biologically, and that they break down biologically as seen in the very beginning. The idea of bio-mechanical suits is just someone's idea, theory, and probably the suits are just suits.

I think the engineer may have attacked because David was an android, out of hatred for androids even though he gently touches his face like he admires him. The engineer just wanted to surprise attack like he did, because Weyland was saying he was proud of creating David and by doing so he was on equal footing with the engineer.

I love that they left us with so many unknowns. It's an awesome universe. Looking forward to the sequel.

Thats what i was saying and have been along, these are merely suits. But they are advanced and are able to actually weld on and attach to the wearer. Its as i have said if you take a Gorilla or Fur coat and you wear it, it is a coat and the Fur is not worn by you the same way it was worn by the animal it came from. Now imagine if you could have a Fur Coat that when worn the actual Fur bonds to your body so it actually becomes part of you, so when you stick say this Fur Coat on your actually wearing it and are a part of it just as the Original Animal it came from. This is what the Engineers Bio Mechanical Suits do.

@Big Dave: How do you know that, though? Is it something you are guessing by how tightly the suits are worn? I've seen the movie many, many times, owning the deluxe DVD since it came out, and it never occured to me that the suits do that. I'm glad you weren't saying some of the engineers were androids as I thought you were.

The impression I got was that the suits were in their own way alive, given their fleshy texture and overall Morb appearance, maybe some tech worked up from Morb DNA? I also thought they were fused to the body, the way it sort of interfaces with the flesh at the neck and wrists, as if those guys were in fact part Morb. I took it as a clue to their experiments on and manipulations of Morb biology.

Well its only my own opinion from the clues that the movie showed. The Pressure Suit seems really tight and in sections its like it actually is part of the Engineer, much like how a Gorillas Fur is on them compared to a Man in a Monkey Suit..... This makes me think that the suit must some how be worn and when it does it bonds to the Engineer, and more clues come from how the Space Jockey Suit attached to the Engineer in the Pilot Chair Scene. This does not mean thats whats going on though... A alternative could be that thats just how the Engineers are and its not a suit but its there skin, but then why do the Engineers at the start of the movie look more Human as far as their bodies. Mind you if they possessed Highly Advanced Bio Mech Teck and they tinker with Advanced Genetics, then maybe they could have created or mutated/evolved themselves to actually be like the pressure Suit Engineer. As far as the Android goes then how different is David to a Engineer, David just has Synthetic Materials that look and feel like Human Skin and Hair and his Organs are Synthetic and he does not have all Human Organs because well he does not need them. Essentially David is near Human only he does not have.. 1) a Soul 2) His brain is Synthetic and Mechanical and not Organic Computer we have. 3) David can not reproduce. 4) David has limited freewill. 5) He is much stronger and intelligent. 6) He would live for a very long time, until his materials and mechanics fail. 7) He does not eat food or need it like us, but does have to consume some substances to help maintain his Synthetic internal parts. Now the Engineers we see may also have 3-6 just as David, and thus they could be the same as David only they are Organic and not Synthetic. Does that mean they are Androids? Maybe not, but then we are also just Robots only we are Organic Robots that can reproduce...... Engineers Organic Robots that can not maybe? I thought before Prometheus came out and the (Big Things Come from Small Beginnings) Scene that maybe David would use the Goo and Secrets of the Engineers to make him more Human... so he would be more like a Replicant than Android. And i thought maybe this movie could have been set as a prequel to Alien in that maybe David taking the Goo to make him more Human was him stealing Fire from the Gods.... David thus Prometheus and as his punishment.... he gets Face Hugged by Shaws Baby and alas this is where the Part Mechanical and Part Organic Xeno Queen or Proto Xeno came from... I feel this would have made for a great part.. the whole Davids Agenda to become Human, via the Goo and then gets Face Hugged..

It is unclear to me how a discussion about 'comparing engineers' has devolved into assertions that a Predator (of all things) was present on LV-223. I've watched the BluRay edition more times than I care to admit and I've seen no Predator references anywhere. And if Ridley's feelings have been accurately reported here and elsewhere, Predators do not exist in his Alien universe. On Topic: The sacrificial engineer shares similar qualities with Bob (skin color, size, etc.) but he travels in a different ship. Is this difference due to engineer evolution, scientific evolution and/or advances, a combination of the two or perhaps something else - a totally different and separate race who share a common ancestor? It's all speculation folks, just more mental masturbation :)

@Big Dave: Thanks for the replies. I think the report post feature is broken. I tried to report the last post in this discussion by "OldGuy", who is being insulting and just disgusting in his last sentence. Please do what you can to get rid of these kinds of posters.

"Insulting and disgusting"? You're kidding, right? I believe most of us are adults here and can handle the above without difficulty. If my post offends you simply move on.

lol.... Mind you its not to bad a comment, seen worse...... I used to be a Mod on here but for some reason ages ago i could never log in or register a new ID on here, so i contacted Chris and he reset my password and account so dont have those privileges now, or i would removed any offending comments and spam etc on here. I guess depends on the viewer as i dont find Mental You know what a bad comment lol @OldGuy There is a scene where you see 3 Predator Lights, this could be purely a reflection and not intended to appear as such, or could be done on purpose which i doubt... Also the Markings on the Urns are similar to Predator writing and not Engineer ones on the Walls, and Consoles etc etc. Again this does not mean that its Predator at all. As far as different Ships go, well again we have to remember the opening scene is many many Millions of years before the fall of LV 223 and no doubt implies the Saucer is maybe Millions of years older Tech, but then again they are two different craft. A Nuclear Sub Marine and a Tank look different to a Cruise Ship and a Bus..... Thus the first ship we see is a seeder ship or just their main long distance vessel that carries a lot of Engineers. And the Juggernauts are just Bomber/Warships and Cargo Ships designed to carry only a handful of Engineers.