please , no queen

I think Ridley is not going to peeeee all over the Queen concept, but then there is so many application to the Xeno Lifeform and how it was created. The Queen could be just a evolution of the perfect Bio Weapon and it does not mean that the Morph Idea is rubbished, indeed both ideas are valid. My opinion is that the Deleted Alien Scene showed the Xeno, changing Brett into a Super Egg, but what would come from such a large Egg and we see Dallas used as a Host like the Humans was in Aliens. surely the outcome would be a Face Hugger or similar and if this creates just one Xeno that can go around Morphing other Humans when the ship is found then why did the Xeno kill the others and not try and capture and Morph the other crew? Unless maybe the outcome would have been a different kind of Face Hugger that would implant a lifeform into Dallas that could ultimately when grown up can reproduce without the need to Morph Human Hosts... such as lay Eggs for example. The Xeno is the prefect lifeform whos aim seems to procreate, and having a ability to Morph People into Eggs that can then produce a self reproducing Organism would be PERFECT!

I'm pretty sure that for Prometheus 2 they stated that it would veer quite far away from [i]Alien[/i]-esque things. And then for Prometheus 3 they would brings things back around a bit. So honestly, I'm not expecting to ever see a queen (unless the Engineers have one captive for some freaky sacrificial ceremonies or something.)

Indeed Ridley did say he wanted Prometheus so show us clues to Alien DNA and that at the end of the movie we would get something we would see Alien DNA for ourselves. This never meant the Deacon is the predecessor to the Xeno, it simply shows their is a genetic connection between it and a Xeno. He said that Spaights Draft the Organisms was too close to Alien, and featured Traditional Xeno and Face Huggers and he wanted something different, some how to show a connection with the Organism but not be another Alien movie, as the Alien (in its form from Alien to Alien Resurrection) had been done to death. This does not mean he did not want to cover Xeno related organisms, as well the Hammerpede, Deacon and Trilobite all had traces of Xeno DNA. But he has said with regards to Paradise they want to go away from Alien and by that he means either connection with Weyland, and/or the Xenomorph.... And i think we would see even less of any Xeno DNA related stuff in Paradise than Prometheus.... but ultimately by the time Ridley has finished with the Franchise i do think he would want to answer the question with less ambiguity than Prometheus and Alien as far as where the Xeno Came from and what its purpose was. The reason... well if he leaves such things as open, then their is not stopping someone in future being employed by Fox to finally answer those long after Ridley has gone, and what it turns out to be could be something that would make Ridley turn in his grave. In essence, had Ridley not agreed with the Queen and Aliens then if he had been part of Alien 2 he could have developed the Xeno to what ever he wanted to... He now has chance to explain the Xeno origins eventually in a way that Ridley wants because if he does not, then their is nothing stopping Fox doing so in future and then explain the Xeno origins in a way that Ridley would never had wanted. God forbid.... that they are introduced as Canon as creation of the Predators.... but unless Ridley by time he is finished with Prometheus franchise closes the door with the answer, then it leaves it open to be explored in any manor in future.

Well said bigdave . Ridley has to finish this Pulse I am with you. No queen please

I am not sure i even want any Xenos in this movie, apart from something at the end, thats provided their is no Prometheus 3. I would love to see many Murals and Statues that depict the Elders and many various creations, some Mural or Statues that could indicate a Xeno-Esque life form but like it to be ambiguous like Prometheus ones. I would like a explanation of sorts for what the goo is and does, and this would be fine if it is a Tool to break down a Organism to then allow its DNA to be passed on and fussed with new life. I guess a lot depend on where the Goo comes from, i mean if it creates Xenos or is from them and i am talking about the stuff at the Sacrificial Scene then maybe that would explain to much well connect to Xenos too much.... If the stuff the Sacreficial Engineer drank was connected to whats in the Urns but the stuff he taken was in no way connected or would create Xenos, then that would be fantastic. By that i mean if we find out the Purpose off the Sacrificial Substance but nothing about the stuff on LV 223, then it gives us a big clue to join some dots with out having Spoon fed answers. Ultimately i think we will at some point see a connection between the Goo and the Xeno, be it that the Engineers show us, or that they have it on the Home World, or that indeed the Xeno represents some kind of God or something they worship.... Or we may see Xeno Traces at some point when maybe David decided to conduct another experiment on a Elder/Engineer with the Goo. I just dont want the Engineers to explain too much on the stuff, maybe they would hint to Shaw that the Goo can be used to break down a Organism and pass on its Genome to form new life based on its DNA. Maybe they would suggest that some fraction had came across a Organism they tried to experiment on.... or that they dabbled with the Goo and some Organism and created something they should not have. They do not have to say hey we created the Xeno and for this reason..

I don't think we'll see a Queen or any Morbs, save perhaps the mature Deacon, though I do agree we will likely see references to them, and other biological atrocities as well. And, in keeping with the tone of Prometheus,  I also agree any allusions will be deliberately vague and open to interpretation.  It is true though that RS and Fox are likely monitoring reactions and may feel inclined to give certain classic elements some screen time. Even then, though, I'd be surprised and disappointed to see a Queen. We have here a rare opportunity to adjust our ideas about the canon and I, like many others,  am now rejecting certain story elements I once accepted.  Logic and nature as we know it needn't drive every decision in the story, and transformation is just far creepier than a Queen. Maybe not as efficient, but who knows, maybe the DNA behind all that is unfinished, or riddled with errors, or evolved to function in conditions that are unimaginable. Inasmuch as the set elements in the deleted transformation scene were sized to contain human actors, I always felt they would eventually be shrunk down to spore size, which is even worse, especially if the victim is conscious for most of it. :D

i have already talked about how both ideas work perfectly together, and how the xenomorph could use many potential life cycles to reproduce, and that all of them are very justified in the movies they are potrayed in. you can find my post [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/25189]here[/url]

disappointed to see a Queen. We have here a rare opportunity to adjust our ideas about the canon and I, like many others,  am now rejectingcertain story elements I once accepted. Now if ever there was a statement that needs to framed and put on a wall for all too see. Thanks major noob Because I see prometheus as a chance for ridley to finish the franchise he started and destroy this canon nonsense once and for all.

Oduodu- Thank you! I think its fair to say that canon is highly personal, especially here. When all is said and done, I'd want Ridleys views on this topic, and even then I'd probably make my own story out of it. That's true of all of us, across all 7 movies so far, plus mountains of printed material, there's so many details and ways to interpret them, the mind boggles. I've said this before: I didn't give any of this much thought until Prometheus, and now I feel I'm free to decide for myself. That's the nature of Ridleys beast, and what many find so frustrating; he'll show us certain things, and leave the rest for our imaginations to turn over. And turn over we do. I loved the Queen when it came out and still do, but now that I have a choice, I'm not choosing it. The bizarre and variable nature of Ridleys universe is my preference. My grandmother laid a great phrase on me when I was a kid: De gustibus non est disputandum, " matters of taste are not worth arguing". Certainly true, but quite contradictory of human nature, which is maybe the point. So, no intent to rile. But no Queen, please.

I think the Queen was a Ideal Creation, but its one for the Alien universe and i dont expect we would see one, or in fact any Xenomorphs in the traditional sense, i feel any link with those would be either via Murals etc or vaguely in dialect but visually we will not see any. Like how Janek Speculated about the Engineers making WMDs on LV 223 and Shaw saying the Engineers suffered a outbreak..... But we was not shown any Flash Back scene like the Sacrifice Scene to show such a event, only the Hologram and Dead Engineer clues and i feel we would get similar or less clues to what the Xeno was and is. If anything i think we would find vague references to a Organism that we can trace some similarities to that either the Engineers originally created, or that they came across and then we can put 2+2 that the Xeno came from such a Organism. But as far as the tradition Queen we wont see one, but who knows maybe they would show the Deacon, or a Organism that is similar but that the Deacon and Xeno all trace their routes to. Thats not to say that this Organism is a Egg Layer, we just dont know. On one hand Ridley wants to steer away from the Xeno more and as Prometheus had little to do with the Xeno, steering away from it more could imply even less a similarities than the Deacon and Shaws Baby Trilobite gave us..... But on the other hand Ridley said that David is going to Paradise and he is bringing Hell with him, and that must mean the Juggernaut must have some Urns or something else on it... Ridley did then hint what if a Robot or a God was introduced to the Goo, and that it would result in something very interesting. This to me hints that at some point David is going to Infect the Engineers/Elders or who ever they find with something he is carrying on that Juggernaut.

I'm all for [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/24855]ALIEN PREQUEL/SEQUEL REBOOT[/url], as they've done with Evil Dead, Superman and Spiderman. Mutation is THE ONLY WAY to xeno-cycle the future.

Custodian clean my toilet there's a huge poop in it. Get the saw dust some kid threw up in the classroom. Ajax works or even Comet, sometimes Lysol will do the trick. I am joking of course. LOL

The queen is to easily accepted and an expected idea. Seeing eggs its obvious that something laid those eggs. I find that the transformation adds more depth to the alien universe, it adds more question mystery and horror. When the nostromo crew came across the chambers with thousands of eggs. Knowing that all those eggs were people I cant help but wonder How it all came about and how it all ties in with the engineers. But seeing the pic, the one of the deacon with queen style crown. I think in horror that ridley may of been pressure into going along with the queen idea ( maybe by fox or giler)....i pray not

The queen is to easily accepted and an expected idea. Seeing eggs its obvious that something laid those eggs. I find that the transformation adds more depth to the alien universe, it adds more question mystery and horror. When the nostromo crew came across the chambers with thousands of eggs. Knowing that all those eggs were people I cant help but wonder How it all came about and how it all ties in with the engineers. But seeing the pic, the one of the deacon with queen style crown. I think in horror that ridley may of been pressure into going along with the queen idea ( maybe by fox or giler)....i pray not

Less Cameron' bugs and more Giger vision please.

^^^^ What Shambhala said ^^^^. Also, the transformation method is alot scarier IMO

I flipped through the Art of the Film book this week and production designer Arthur Max explains that they wanted the ampule chamber to look like the egg chamber, the only difference being that they wanted the ampules to circle the giant head. Thus there is a deliberate connection between the ampules and eggs... This reminds me of Ridley Scott's interview regarding the derelict's cargo, he stated that it 'evolved' or 'got out of control' and what is interesting is that he never mentions eggs in regard to the cargo only 'bacteriological drums of shit you could drop on a planet'. This seems to imply that the ampules transform. Indeed, there are similarities between the two scenes; when Kane investigates the eggs he comments on the temperature "...it's like the tropics in here." and notices that the eggs are boiling liquid - in the ampule chamber the temperature changes and the ampules begin to defrost and sweat - when Kane shines his torch on the egg he says it has organic life - when David investigates an ampule it is melting black goo from the top down, touching it he remarks, 'oganic', note, this organic black goo is melting through the top of the ampule. Soon the atmosphere in the room is disrupted enough for the murals to change and what do we see; an egg grasped by a xeno. In the original Alien script the eggs were originally described as urns with strange markings or bottles... I think the answer has been staring us dead in the face all this time and the simplest explanation is always the most likely. I don't think Ridley had a long-winded and natural explanation for it, the cargo simply got out of control, the bacterial black goo evolved and we're left with 'eggs'. Ridley would not be beholden by the 'canon' of the sequels, indeed, with Prometheus he went back to O'Bannon's original ideas and concepts; O'Bannon is canon, and that rhymes bitch. TL;DR, I think the deliberate similarities between the ampule chamber and the egg silo are for a reason, the derelict never had 'eggs' in the first place but bacterial drums of shit that got out of control and evolved.

@meshuggah. I totally like that idea. Are you saying that the canisters are the eggs. And when they opened the door the canisters began to change into egg? That would change alot about the story of the derelict....that theory is probably one of the best for while.

Thanks pulse. The idea of the urns changing into eggs was kicked around for a while by many when the teasers and trailers were going and many others noticed the visual similarities enough between the orderly placement of the urns and eggs. Ridley in his last interview on the derelict stated that its cargo 'got out of control', 'evolved', etc, and he explains that there is no real link between the films other than explaining who had these weapons, 'bacterial drums of shit you could drop on a planet.' I remember many were confused when he implied that the derelict had urns but to me it made complete sense and it's by far the simplest explanation. I don't think Ridley had a really complicated notion of what happened and the only cargo we see in the Juggernaut are a stock pile of urns, if the Juggernauts are bombers the urns in the silo would be the urns the Juggernaut drops onto worlds. Just like how water will make steel rusty, when left unchecked in an uncontrolled environment the urns change and the film intimates as much, we don't see the full transformation but we already saw the end result. This also explains why the classic xenos have metalloid elements. It never made sense to me that the engineers would stockpile live eggs as cargo without being impregnated, no, the derelict never had 'eggs' to begin with, the urns became unstable and evolved. Look at how the stockpile is in a controlled environment; all refrigerated, David knew that to keep the urn under control he had to keep it cold.

You know I'd seen this idea before ( ampules becoming eggs) too and didn't give it much thought, not because I didn't like it, I was prolly distracted by something else at the time. Looking at it now, I love it. How creepy. And it would explain why some had moving matter on them.