Scientists destroy Prometheus!

I totally agree with you on this. I think it is a case of pearls before swine. One thing is for sure, I' ve heard of Ridley Scott, but I've no idea who these guys are and I'd like to maintain that relationship. Talk about missing the whole point of the movie, and understanding the audience it is aimed at.

Skimmed through it pretty fast, seems they are simply dissecting it through a scientist's eyes. Honestly, I know plenty of people who feel the same way about the movie and who pick it apart just as badly if not worse. Like I always say, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Case in point, I really liked "Man of Steel" but many Superman fans were outraged by the movie. Go figure.

Same old story. Too busy dissecting the world to smell the flowers and appreciate the beauty. Prometheus (imo) has its roots in Ancient Myths and creation Legends. It would be pretty ridiculous to start ripping those apart, wouldn't it? I mean, it's a Fantasy tale which happens to take place in space!! What's next? Science destroys Lord of the Rings?! Jesus.

Their criticisms aren't science! it's conjecture, first off, If we could shoot a spaceship out of a giant space gun we could reach almost half the speed of light and that would take around an 8 year journey to a star system 4 light years away. Ya it's dangerous of modern myth making using science...if the journey of the soul is the most important thing in the universe and science has no proof of the soul and doesn't consider it important WELL! science will turn us into cybermen! Dam! Quantum Cybermen! Here's a link to an interesting documentary which Hints at ideas in Prometheus: http://youtu.be/-yz1DfTF3-E

Wolverine never got a bullet through his brain until striker shot him . He went through how many wars without getting shot in the head ??? How very unscientific !!!

I find it amazing that a group of scientists have failed to grasp the most basic concept of a clue being in the title. Namely, that this is fiction. The same level of criticism can be aimed at any science fiction film where artistic licence replaces fact. On a scientific note, I’m more than happy to be pig ignorant of science facts when in the pursuit of some good old entertainment. I could recommend that fantastic documentary about a community of country dwellers with footware issues ( No Nike sponsorships here.). Where a young man likes to check on his older relative to see that his ring has’nt been abused.

I have to agree with most of what they say. The problem with prometheus is that it is supposed to be 'realistic' its set in our universe in our future. And attempts to build on things we know. It is also by a top director who achieved a near perfect level of realism in a previous film alien. X-men is not set in our future its now but a fantasy version of our universe. Lord of the rings is also removed from our reality. Anyway this is why its analysed so much.

Damn! Nobody notices anything!?, That's the magic, the attraction that produces Prometheus, these guys talk because reality Prometheus is able to break or violate any of Fiction (up to the most unimaginable) Not even Ridley Scott was able imagine the effect it would Prometheus (a Universe of Ideas New Ideas and Tangible) Yes these guys give their opinion to refute or contradict the idea of Prometheus, is simply because he believes what we all believe too! "Prometheus that history may be closer to reality than fiction!"

I need to say this ...... FFS Haven't they got anything better to do than pick a Sci-fi movie apart??? Whoever pays their wages should be after them! ;-)

scientists can kiss my ass

The people in the discussion are also full of holes. Some of the points they made weren't well thought out . They stated fifield got lost and he had the map. We all know its not correct, the map was on prometheus. They mentioned the placenta for the alien during the surgical scene. Is it me or was the alien covered in a placenta bag which soon brust. there were a few other points that they made which weren;t correct....I think that they didn't get it or completely comprehend what they saw. I think people trying to explain something which they didn't understand themselves and making dicks of themselve in the process.

I[quote][/quote]'d like to respond to this one point: they DO seem to be enjoying tearing the movie up too much. Some of their opinions are so bogus themselves, they can't be scientists. They are like couple bullies who made this to intimidate the writer or someone else who worked on it. Speaking to those issues they raise that are arguable, at least as valid points, why DID Ridley Scott do some of these things? The movie should have been much more realistic, and it easily could have been.

@visionaryalpha I agree that it should of been more realistic and you're right, it could of easily been done. But in say that, ridley scott is a film maker and there are other factors involved (fox,style, pace etc etc). One of the factors I agree with is the charactors. Some of them weren't that good or likable for that matter.

"More realistic"does not to my mind equal "better movie", in fact quite the opposite. I just have to ask the same question I always do in these debates: why doesn't anyone apply these criticisms to Alien? Alien was filled with unlikable characters, and the science was flimsy when it wasn't just pure fantasy. Please show me where it was said that Prometheus was to be a hard science prequel with the world's finest minds and coolest heads dissecting the Alien universe to the satisfaction of one and all. Was that ever a part of the official marketing? Or was it, just like Alien, to be a bunch of fallible people in way over their heads in a lawless land hopelessly removed from reality? When Holloway says: " It's Christmas, and I want to open my presents.." That pretty much sets the tone right there. To me, nothing that happens after should come as a surprise. So if some "Scientist" ( who knows, maybe they are, I'm just indulging in the same pointless mudslinging) wants to aggrandize themselves and have their moment in the spotlight at the expense of someone else's artistic achievement, it should also come as no surprise. That's human nature, and that message is writ large throughout Prometheus. So all they've done is prove Ridley's point. Well done, scientists! You're just like the ones in the movie.

Yeah, they're being very disrespectful and there's no need for it! It is possible to analyse something without being a dick about it. Anyway, they're failing to get the point that it is a science FICTION film, an artistic expression and lets face it, these "scientists" probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a good piece of art from a fresh lump of dog turd on the pavement. Sure I have a few gripes with Prometheus but all in all it's a good, entertaining sci fi film, which, the likes I would much prefer to watch than something like Apollo 13.

Major noob Very well said Because alien by and large have many of the same "flaws" if we will call it that. Listen to the noob !!! That is a very important post that . Because the circle is closing - or approaching it at the very least. Thanks major noob !!!!

@Odu and Noob; What "flaws" does ALIEN have?

I have seen this before and i would use the TERM... Scientists to describe them very loosely lol

Necronom4 You know when dallas was in the that tunnel with the iris doors ? He asked them to close all of them - and the remaining circulart openings were only large enough for a mouse to get through. How did the alien pass through those doors at the speed he did ?? How does it move thurgh the spaces it did ? It was all bare metal ? Was there holes in the surfaces it could cling to ? Does it have suckers ? How was it able to bull brett up into the air ducts ? To what was it attached ??

@ oduodu It I remember Dallas, walked down an air duct located at a higher level which was the Alien! Having said this! I think your question is unfounded!

By flaws i meant criticisms. But it has far less then prometheus. Why does wy need a hole shio to get just one alien to earth ? Why not just hijack a ship full of people and experiment in space ? Oh they did that in resurrection. Why not drive the alien into the refinery and kill it with molten metal. Oh they did that an alien 3. Why not put people on the planet and get them infected ? They did that in aliens. Why not lock themselves in the lifeboat and depressurise the entire ship ? In the earlier scroipts they didn't have enough oxygen . Now there's a plothole. But it wasn't in the the movie it doesn't count. So what was to prevent them from getting into suits and stay in the lifeboat and kill the alien by depressurisiing the ship ? Zero atmosphere like space ?? It would have diied eventially . Because no one knows exactly what their situation was . No all the facts were revealed.

Hicks I a$ talking about the iris doors that dallas asked them close behind him $ how did the alien pass through them ??

The difference between alien and prometheus is like night and day! ItS really hard to falt alien - its soo realistic! Were as promethues is riddled with unrealistic inconsistent things! I am pretty sure the alien in alien was not behind him anyway in the ducts! It just comes from in front and up or down - been a while since I watched it though.

I guess they missed the larger point of the movie & decided to berate the details? That point being: Be ready to accept that all we think we know about our origins may not be correct! David said it best when he said, "That is why they call it a thesis." IMHO - I am not concerned with speed of space travel, or Fifield getting lost. Would you be thinking rationally after seeing what they just saw? Whatever happened to the willing suspension of disbelief, sheesh?

@Oduodu; HICKS is correct ^^ Dallas tells them to close all the iris's BEHIND him. The alien then moves towards his direction, but, by travelling down a duct that is running parallel to the one he's in. He then descends to the level below and the alien is already there waiting for him.

Lol u that is the main problem blue. If it breaks your suspension of disbelief it ruins the film! Suddenly your like wtf that wouldn't happen and you feel like your not there any more your watching muddled film instead. It was so easy to fix most of the problems and yes why didn't they! I wonder if this is what separates a lover from a hater - low vs high suspension. But if you have massive of disbelief why watch the film at all - you might as well just make it all up and fill in your own ideas. The opposite is spoon feeding which is not always so great. The best films are in between I reckon - just a touch of ambiguity and vagueness not tons of it!

Necronom4 Thanks for that. That makes sense . What about flushing the ship to deprive it of a breathable atmosphere ??

What flaws are to be found in Alien?  Let's start with life forms that bleed acid, contained in eggs that are living without any visible form of nutrition for an interval of time that can fossilize dead tissue. One attaches itself to an astronaut so efficiently that he does not die when it penetrates his helmet with said acid. Aboard the ship, it becomes clear it's depositing something inside him, and can bleed acid powerful enough to penetrate a hull, but he's left alone with it. Later, while Ash examines the dead and presumably rotting hugger, no precautions are made ( like getting the thing off the ship, for example) and neither he nor Ripley wear masks. When Kane awakens, even though they saw something being deposited in him no one X-rays him,  they just invite him to dinner. When the burster escapes, they go off alone to search for it, rather than in teams.  I'm really not trying to be a jerk, I LOVE Alien, as much as anyone here. But I COULD go on...

@Major Noob; Quote "What flaws are to be found in Alien? Let's start with life forms that bleed acid, contained in eggs that are living without any visible form of nutrition for an interval of time that can fossilize dead tissue." It's an alien lifeform, who knows what an extratarrestrial creatures biology is like? I really don't see that as a "flaw!" " When Kane awakens, even though they saw something being deposited in him no one X-rays him, they just invite him to dinner." In the scene where ASH and Dallas are examining the X Ray, one of them says, "It looks like it's feeding him oxygen. Keeping him alive." No one else except for ASH know that it is depositing a creature inside him. They just assume it was feeding him oxygen. "When the burster escapes, they go off alone to search for it, rather than in teams." Ripley, Brett and Parker go insearch of it, a team of 3. They also don't know at that point that it is growing rapidly. They would also assume that it was the same size as when it first burst from Kane. :)

@Odu; I don't know whether or not they could have done that without sacrificing themselves aswell. They wouldn't have had a 10 month supply of compressed air in their space suit tanks, as they were approx. 10 months from Earth, they would have died and the lifeboat couldn't have sustained all of them. Ripley says that in the film.

Yer bang on necro I was going to say similar things. It really is not so strange acid for blood. As long as the tissue is inert to the acid. Real scientist have predicted life forms much stranger based on planets were temperatures are different with rivers of methan and liquid metals etc. Etc. We might mwet aliens that burn or melt on earth... Check that out for a weird creature : [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle]Your text to link here...[/url] Chemical spray that biols! And thats no alien. They found a bacteria that feeds of cyanide recently too confusing scientists some think its not from earth.

Goshdarnit.

The Alien was allergic to fur, that's how I managed to evade it!.........mind you he agreed to let me live so long as I lured the crew members to him! ps I also pointed out the air ducts as a great way of moving around the Nostromo, without being detected, so he owed me!

And that's another thing! Would a cat be allowed to travel aboard a corporate space vehicle? I think not!! And it went into the same Cryo as a human? I don't think so!! It should have had a little tiny cryo of its own...

Realism in fiction is not necessary, but plausibility absolutely is and, as much as I enjoyed this movie, I have to say it falls far short in that regard on numerous accounts. 'Prometheus' is loaded with inconsistencies in character, poorly thought out plot execution and an irritatingly bad logistical approach. I didn't watch this science video, but that's not what I'm commenting on. It's the notion that because an individual like me finds fault with the film, I MUST NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. On the contrary, I feel I have as good an understanding of the film as anyone and what it comes down to are the objections I've stated. Don't assume I hate this film, because I don't. I'm merely disappointed with it and severely so. I wanted it to be better than it is and I believe it good have been: pulserifle 187...people state that Fifield had a map because he directs them as to which way they should go stating, "The Pupps say this way." And he points after having looked at the device on his wrist. Given the visual and auditory information in that moment, and the fact that he released them in the first place, it well within reason to suggest he had access to that information. Not to mention, he could have asked Prometheus for help and he didn't. These considerations make the fact of them getting lost implausible and silly. I, and I'm not alone in this, find it very hard to believe that two scientists, who still have com access to their ship and potential access to the map information themselves, cannot find their way out under those circumstance s and get as hopelessly lost as they did. They could have simply been left behind accidentally in the mad dash to beat the storm back to the Prometheus. Our group of scientists, one can reasonably assume, are the best money can by, given the stated mission price tag of a trillion dollars and yet they behave like children. Fifield's panic attack is over dramatized and frankly, a bit silly. Milburn's lack of interest in what is clearly the corpse of a sentient biological entity is an insult to biologists everywhere, not to mention his appallingly bad judgment in approaching the hammerpede. Holloway is as a six year old who's been at Disney world for all of six or seven hours and throws a temper tantrum because he hasn't talked to Mickey Mouse YET. This man has a doctorate? They have just made the most important scientific discovery in our history and this is how he behaves? The deleted scenes play up his drunkenness, which makes his behavior more plausible, not acceptable, but plausible. They chose to play down that aspect and cut the original scene between him and Shaw in their quarters to make him more 'sympathetic'. As a consequence, he comes off more child than anything and the sympathetic quality they sought is lost. Also, considering that his behavior is so undeniably immature and ridiculous, it's unbelievable that no one calls him out for it, ever; which is particularly maddening when you consider the fact that Shaw calls him out twice in the deleted scenes. WHENEVER A CHARACTER BEHAVES IN A MANNER THAT WOULD SEEM ODD, OFF PUTTING, BIZARRE OR FRANKLY INEXCUSABLE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON, THAT BEHAVIOR WILL ONLY COME OFF PLAUSIBLY IF OTHER CHARACTERS RESPOND APPROPRIATELY. If one considers the drunkenness and Shaw's negative reaction to Holloway's behavior, it comes off more plausibly. Instead, we get a child no one even seems to notice. Shaw's random emotional breakdown over being barren makes her come off as a basket case, given that we have no prior knowledge of it and it's relevance to the context of the statement Holloway made to trigger it is abstract at best, especially considering the nature of their mission; which she herself is one of the leads on. It comes off as random and pointless, when one considers that this version of the scene was a re-shoot to make Hollway more 'sympathetic'. He ends up looking careless anyway as he clearly knew of her condition. And please, don't misunderstand me here. I completely sympathize with any woman in that position. I merely am referring to the context of this scene in this movie and that's all. I could go on...but I won't...I'll just leave you all with this....in spite of my tirade, I do believe it's salvageable...I just cannot defend the theatrical cut as film that succeeded in doing what it set out to do. If fell far short of it's potential and I really do hope the sequel is a pleasant surprise...

You're right, craigamore, and I'd like to hear more. You have a rare gift at seeing the truth of things, and cutting through to them. I would say the movie still succeeds in some levels, though, but there is indeed so much confusion about what is acceptable in a film like this. I think they wanted to create chaos, and a sense of utter helplessness. Vickers, I also suspect, hired people who would clash with each other and fail to do good jobs on purpose. She had to let Charlie and Elizabeth on board, but the other people are just there to "find a way to make a profit" from the moon and the voyage. She liked Fifield's pragmatism, for instance, caring nothing for aliens and the "exploration" here, and to make the trip worthwhile she may have wanted a survey of the minerals done with speed. As painful as it will be, I think we all need to hear about everything IMPLAUSIBLE.

He doesn't have a "gift." He's just re-running the same nitpicky complaints most people don't care about anymore. They didn't act like stereotypical scientists. We get it, and we don't care. The audience also didn't care. Just because you think the characterization wasn't stereotypical enough doesn't make it "wrong" or a plot hole. It's also off topic for this thread.

I think the problem with Prometheus is that it was hyped to be what it wasn't, just like Blade Runner being hyped to be an action movie. Look at the fact that the film removed from all context is still very good. Point in case being that the film's priority is not to be scientifically accurate, just look at what it's based upon within the movie. A myth, it's dark fantasy set in space. It's science isn't accurate to modern understanding, but that's the great thing about science. It's forever changing and therefore changing our understanding of the universe. Who's to say in 50 years that there won't be a revelation that changes everything? Modern day science will never, ever be applicable to Science fiction because it's set in the future. So picking it apart is a waste of your time. If you have grievances with the movie itself, that's fine but it's also all opinion. There are no "factual" reasons to dislike this film, so those who think so need to take their heads out of their own asses for a minute. And see the film as a piece of art not a documentary.

Yes exactly craige of course - I totally agree - I may use different words but I mean the same things in general. Lol they still dont get it - we dont think oh they were acting weirdly they were not stereotypical scientists or a few of them were out of character we think almost all of them were out of character for most of the movie they just plain would never do that even if they were retarded but clearly they were not supposed to be retards they were scientists with education lol if I had to guess there IQ at parts in the film it would be some scenes 120 odd other scenes 5 yes thats 5 IQ! It just does not make sense in and form of logic except maybe ignoring the facts and making things up for yourself like maybe mind control or something :P . @major noob : "And that's another thing! Would a cat be allowed to travel aboard a corporate space vehicle? I think not!! And it went into the same Cryo as a human? I don't think so!! It should have had a little tiny cryo of its own..." Man you just totally did not understand alien did you! The nostromo was supposed to be a dirty lived in space truck of the future they were truckers! this is not like the space missions you see today in our world - all careful and vetted - space flight is common place and nothing special in the future - very realistic - very very! Ok it was a large and expensive truck but probably one of thousands. There was nobody there from the company to enforce any rules apart from the captain I suppose but even he hated the company. You need to watch it again and maybe read up a bit on it!

Irony is someone calling other people "retards" when their own prose reads like rambling run-on sentences. If you have one sentence that takes up nine lines in a paragraph, you are poor at English. Unless English is your second language, I wouldn't be talking about other people's intellect. Frankly, I'm glad the film wasn't filled with a bunch of stiffs like the know-it-alls would have preferred. It would have been god awful boring.