" Power Corupts and can lead to destruction and what we was seeing was in a way similar to stealing of Fire by Prometheus and the Eating of the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge etc"

cant seem to edit but i forget to add, what they said was not destuction so you have bare in mind some stuff i may not relay it word for word.... anyway they said like regard to stealing of Fire and Forbiden Fruit.... that play with Fire and you may get Burnt and that Eating of Tainted Fruit has consequences and as in both related to the use of forbiden knowledge leads to Corruption and disasterous consequences (no destruction sorry) but i guess it can imply the same thing...

So yeah... if these leaks are all BS! they are interesting none the least... but they claim they are Legit but off course certain things can be changed and tinkered with from Final Draft to Shooting Script....  so be interesting to see....

But when i look at certain things said back in March 2015 they are now starting to add up to comments Ridley is comming out with as of late.....  everything regarding Prometheus not bieng the first time Mankind had been in that system from Alien/Prometheus.... got me thinking did they send a earlier mission or a probe, but would that technically count... Mankind has not been on Mars.. or past the Moon... but our Probes and Crafts (Voyager 1+2) Have so is that in a way that Mankind has explored or been to futher places than Earth?

But now looking at Ridleys comments........  as of this month.... about how Humans may not only be limited to Earth, and how he said before the Scene at the start does not have to be Earth at all........  then who knows.. maybe Mankind being on LV 223 say before year 2093 could be that what if Mankind was created someplace else and then seeded on Earth.... was we created on LV 223? that would be like WOW! what a cool idea..... or could it go in  way of Engineers comming to Earth over the past and taking some Humans to LV 223, for experiments?  We just dont know..

But i am now thinking the leak i got, of Prometheus was not Mankinds first visit to the Zeta 2 system as got me now thinking its actually physically that Humans have been there before.... and maybe as in thousands of years before...

Like the information about TWO MONSTERS.... Ridley backed that up later by saying there will be a New Fresher form of the Original Monster.... this source also said back in March that we shall see more than One Species and the movie has a Larger Cast....  and well Ridleys new comments seem to be pointing at the Engineers and who ever is above them playing a role in Creation Across more than Earth, as in Creation is vast.... and he said there could be Millions of Earth like Planets.....

So i am very excited as Ridley is exploring a Very Bold and Vast.... direction with this movie... and so yes some things comming to light are adding up with what was said to me in April from someone who had this information at the end of March..

Bring on 2017 ;)

One of the writers of the last movie said at a meet and greet a few years ago that the Engineers were based off the Biblical Nephilim.Also said that the ones who created them were very much still around in the Universe,didn't add anymore to that comment.With Scott bringing up the poem "Paradise Lost" it's pretty simple to see what elements the next movie will have.

Yes as i replied in your other post... we cant rule out a Nephilim connection..... Ridley However keeps refering to the Engineers as Fallen Angels.... but there is no reason that they cant be Nephilim..... i think loosley they could be connecting to the Bible in a Metathoricall way and not Literal

Also i feel they are more loosley connecting to Paradise Lost Version of Events as opposed to those in the Bible....

When i was trying to figure out the Movie then i looked at what was similar to all Ancient Cultures and Religon and especially the Bible and Greek as those are the ones that are linked to in a Metathoricall way in the movie..

When i think of that... i was then always drawn to the Annunaki Tale as bieng the one that connects those two... this Tale is also the Oldest Recorded of Gods and Mankind and Creation and its Fable has many things that we could see the Bible and Greek Mythos as being based off...

And yes some refer to the Annunaki as Nephilim.

Here is a update that i got today... apparently..

As far as Ripley goes and the source i have, they wont spill no beans but said as far as they was aware Ripley does not feature at all in the next movie, and the movie was planned over 3 parts and one part would deal with loosely LV 426 and how the company knew more or less what was there on LV 426 before re-routing the Nostromo but nothing about Ripley being involved in the next movies time line...

They also said Shaw and David will be off to near the centre of the Galaxy over 3500 parsecs they said, not Light Years if this is the case that would take Prometheus over 600 years.. we have to assume the Engineers Ships are faster but how faster?

The person wont release no info.... not any more but said that come Novermber stuff will become more apparent that adds up to what they was saying....

Either this person has been making it up.... or not read the entire draft, or that indeed Ripley wont be in Alien:Paradise Lost.... or indeed maybe they could have re-written the draft they had finished in October 2014?

This is probably a long stretch but what if the Engineers had brought early human ancestors to 223, 1000s of yrs before, as in the early civilizations of man to experiment on them. And maybe something went badly wrong there to do with the outbreak.

Well one theory i had was that if we look at the Sacrifical Scene.... it does not show Mankind being created but either the Start of Building Blocks of Life.... or more likely (because the world had plant life) the Catalyst that caused basic Life to Evolve into complex... Ridley also said this scene does not have to be Earth....

Which gets me thinking what is the purpose of the Star Maps? Coinsidence i think not, a Trap? doubtful a Invitation... maybe its what Shaw thought but she was wrong, but maybe it was to start with before we had upset the Engineers... was LV 223 Paradise?  a Place mankind can go to once we are ready?

Thats one theory.... another is just as Ridleys clues... The Engineers are Gardners he said.. so they are Genetic Gardners... Earth is their Garden...  so what is LV 223?  Every Good keen Gardener has a Nursery a Green House if you would where they nurture new plants before they plant them in the Garden..

This is what i thought LV 223 was... it was a Greenhouse for our Engineers, where they came and took life from Earth to LV 223 to then futher Evolve them and then plant the results back on Earth... a way to Qaurantine new experiments and make sure they are right before they plant them in the Garden (Earth)..

Ridley said the Engineers had been back over thousands of years to Evolve Mankind... not just Genetically but also Technologically this fits perfectly with the Ancient Alien Aspect and Star Maps... and yes Alien Abductions lol

The Star Map was to show us where Mankind was created...(evolved) and not where the Engineers came from!

Hopping to get some news.... Saturday maybe tomorrow... asked few questions to be passed on and mainly about if the movie will shed light on Xeno and Alien now its changed name and Ridley said they comming in from the back end etc...

keep you posted...

Again, the Ringworld angle.  Everything your friend-of-friend listed could be interpreted as a plot synopsis of the Ringworld series....  Engineers, Pak Children, Pak Breeders, Pak Protectors, Tree-of-Life virus, Gouls, Vampires....  it's all right there, really.

I have had bit information about the Alien links, after the Source was asked about the movie being a Alien movie, and here is what was said.

Unless Ridley has made changes to the Plot since working on The Martian the movie would not be a direct Alien movie, there will be clues to the Xeno but they are similar to Prometheus only more detailed and less ambigious, the movie was set to explore a bigger picture but there would be loose connections but they would be done in the same way as Promethues just more detailed and more Alien-y looking but will not explain the Xeno completely and that a 3rd movie would touch upon that more and be more like Spaights draft as far as Xeno Connections.

They did however as far as the supposed ideas October-March said the following.

1) The Engineers did not create the Xeno as per say....

2) Prometheus has the Answers but you have to look for them, and Part 2 will cover similar things but less ambigious.

3) The Experiments on LV-223 play a part on the creation of the things we see in Alien but is not the place it all started from.

4) Humans play a role in the DNA of the Xeno. Not Engineers.

5) The Hierarchy above the Engineers created the Engineers and the Origins of the Xeno DNA Biology.

6) The whole Agenda for which and includes the Engineers was similar theme behind the Star Beast Original idea, and relates to Sacrifices.  They said that Alien used some stuff from Star Beast, Prometheus other stuff not used in Alien and the next movie would use and expand on yet other elements that never made it into other movies.

7) The Biology is a weaponized biological warefare.

8) Some connections of this Biological Warefare, backfired and it can loosely be connected to Paradise Lost as in Serpents and Dragons. And that reading these in Paradise Lost then looking at the clues in Prometheus sheds more light.

9) The Xenomorph is not God or connected but worshiped for freedome from Bondage.

10) Xeno DNA will be seen in the movie, but asfar as DNA end connections to the Xeno Bio-Tech, but not as in Xeno itself.

They finally said all these would be loose, but the real connections we will see would be via the Two Monsters that we shall see in the movie, these will have more Xeno look to them than the ones in Prometheus but they will still be different to the Aliens from the Franchises.

Oh they was asked about the Mission to LV 223, and they said yes there is a ship with a crew but they cant say what its purpose is but that this is not the only Humans in the movie or other beings, and to think of it as similar to Nostromo mission, in more than a few ways but it plays a big part in the plot and is one 3rd of the Movies Plot....

But that a 3rd movie would cover more of the mysteries of that System but they can not go into details..... the details about the Xeno connections they said are points that will be covered vaguley. but the Human involvement in it all is one of the main Plot devices that will be revealed.

I maybe shooting myself in the foot with this information and i wont post detailed one unless asked, i have PM a few about it however...

But the source has informed me that David will be going to a place related to the Engineers,  related is not the same as Paradise is it?  They said while our Engineers are not God, that those above the Engineers are not God or the top of the Hierarchy either.....  

They said back in March and i think i covered it on here in April if not i PM people then, about concept works of Nebula that seemed to be the Eagle Nebula and something about the Sagittarius Arm and location that is near the Galactic Centre of the Galaxy well between Earth and the Centre.....

But information i had 2 days ago, have teased maybe they dont go to Paradise in the next movie. at least not at first because they said that they are going to a place related to the Engineers.....  and this would be close to the Pilars of Creation.....  then they said that Paradise is a outpost in our Galaxy and not the Home of God... this indicates the Scope is bigger than our Galaxy and so Paradise is merely a Outpost in our Galaxy rather than the Throne of GOD!

They released information about the supposed location at the time of Fall 2014 of Paradise and its a constellation located near the  celestial equator and so i may in may had misinterpreted Centre of Galaxy as such.

I have been told the name.... but it relates to Serpents and Gods...... and it plays a big role in Paradise Lost Poem....

I was given the name of the System.... well Constelation and doing a Google Search has thrown up some interesting results and yes it could fit in with Prometheus that we have seen, and that Myth and many Mythos and Paradise Lost....

I then found a passage in the Book about this System... Serpentarius 

Seems to fit well.... not sure if they are hinting at this place being where they find God, but certainly where they will find out the so called beginings of where these Engineers started to make that Bio-Mechanical Biological Warefare that Ridley was on about in his latest comments....

Oh well i dont think the source will release any more information so here it is

Ophiuchus

Again this is all to be taken with a pinch of salt....

Looking into that system and how it connects to the Bible, Greek, Babylonian Chinese, Sumarian and Paradise Lost well it is refered to in all of those as having sightly different themes but when you connect them all, then indeed it adds to what we was trying to be Shown in Prometheus.....   There is connection between this Constilation and Serpent, and Eagle as in as if both are interchangeable, a common theme occurs as in Serpents being sent as Punishment, and Eagle as Punishment for Stolen Fire.... the Ophiuchus has connections to being the Forbiden Fruit in the Garden of Eden... even some information about links to Paradise and Ophiuchus.

Its also linked to Medusa and how she has Blood that can destroy anc give life, and Mythos in a number of cultures including Babylonian and Greek relating to Ophiuchus as both forbiden knowledge and gift of Immortality

This person never mentioned none of that, only name of Ophiuchus Constilation being important as far as the Plot and connection to Paradise Lost and whats going on, and from the vague comments they could be pointing to this being Location of Paradise, or the Location of the other place related to the Engineers Agenda that David goes to.

So yeah very interesting....  If its TRUE that is

Some more digging....  this constellation is supposed to have seen within it two Super Black Holes Merging (ngc-6240)

Certainly looks like a Nebula, which is what the source said they saw as concept work that had Nebula in the background of a Engineer Ship....

Another interesting thing is they said back then that Paradise was located between Earth and the Centre of the Galaxy, which with the latest information on Ophuichus which is at the Galactic Equator i thought had i got that mixed up?

But looking into Ophuichus  there is indeed a SuperNova that went off in that Constellation this Super Nova is located 13,000 LY from Earth....  which is funny enough half the distance of Earth to the Centre of the Milky Way which is 26'000 LY

Is all of this coincidence?  Ridley was talking about bigger things, and hinting at the creation of Worlds and not just life on them, and to see in that Constellation the merging of Two Starburst Galaxies which is a Galaxy undergoing an exceptionally high rate of Star Formation.....  (Creation)  and Super Nova too thats (Destruction) goes hand in hand with "Sometimes to Create one must first Destroy"

Ophuichus also has connection to a Scorpion Monster... i always felt the Xeno was more related to a Scorpion as far as its Exo-Skeleton Look...... sometimes Scorpion and Serpent go hand in hand... as does Serpent and Dragon.

Ophuichus is also considered the 13th Zodiac Sign, 13 is a number considered to be Bad Luck, there are connections that the Garden of Eden had 12 Main Fruit one for each month that could be eaten, and one Fruit that could not be Eaten.... the Forbiden Fruit i.e 13th Fruit. That is connected to the Serpent and Ophuichus 

Does this Star Constellation thus tick a lot of boxes with themes that we was being shown in Prometheus and clues maybe Ridley had been saying about the next movie?  or just purely coinsidence

If this source has been making stuff up, he surely has a knack of stuff that ticks boxes....

While i am at it as they had told me back in March about the New Monsters which i was not allowed to go into detail here...

I have given weeks ago this information to a few people on here via PM... but i wil roughly go on to say the one Monster is from a NEW EVENT i.e not prior to Prometheus and it is to be based loosely off Gigers Original Necrominicon 4 which was also the idea for Spaights Ultramorph so the idea is to resurect that idea and as they say to make a fresher take on the Giger Work that inspired the Alien..... but they also want to make it well more see through like a Jelly Fish than the Bio-Mechanical Look of the Alien Xeno and indeed those from Aliens and onwards....

@BigDave  I find it really interesting that they want to make it translucent.  I hate Jellyfish. Thanks for the info :) 

Yeah hopefully not transparant as in a Jelly Fish....  but when we look at some Prometheus concept work, they had a translucent look to them Here is a Fifield Concept

There are a few others that have similar look....

Doing some research they planned to have the Alien Xeno Translucent too here is a unused suit that they never used as the effect just did not look right, maybe with new Technology and Special Effects this could be pulled off nowadays.

I also came across this peice of Concept work which may be from Spaights Ultramorph...

I certainly like this image, it has the Xeno look to it, yet its different and if they tried to make this but sort of transparent and more lighter colour such as in the Fifield Concept which is what they was looking to do in Spaights Draft, as opposed to the Dark look of the Alien from the Franchise especially Aliens version and Alien Resurection.

Then i think this would be interesting... the source did say there was a number of ideas and things they had worked on for Prometheus that they never ended up using that would be re-done and used for the new Movie and indeed the Ultramorph is one of those unused concepts and this was based off the Necromonicon 4 Artwork by HR Giger that the Xeno was based off, but wether this is something they are using who knows.

So when Ridley said fresher version of the Original Alien, maybe he meant the Artwork that inspired it?

Who knows but a design thats like the last image above or similar i think would be pretty Amazing.

Very intresting ideas on where promethues is going, The first one was slightly tied in with the alien movies but if there looking to find where everything comes from then my personally opinion is that there will be nothing related to anything "Alien". It proberly will be more of a Religious vs Science theme. Dont know ehat to make of a sequel but Lets wait and watch.

Thanks Big Dave, interesting read.

The beuaty of what they have told you is that it can lead in multiple directions.  Couple of comments re some of your material.

1. Another ship makes sense, hard to see a man like Wayland not having a back up plan if things go wrong, would not be surprised if he is still alive and what we saw was a clone/android.  Are we sure everyone other than Shaw and David died?  

2. Some kind of rebellion by the engineers or their masters makes some sense.  If they were so pissed off with us why did they not relaunch the mission to wipe us out?  Maybe they no longer exist/have the capability?

3. Why do they hate us, has to be a pivotal point of the sequel.  Are we just brood stock, an experiment or are they pissed that we can recreate and they cannot?  Have they tried to re-engineer the goo to enable them to re-produce only to create the alien strain?  

4. Were the engineers that seeded man kind acting out of rebellion to create life without 'god' knowing and when he did find out he sent soliders to destroy us?

5. Why did the mission to wipe us out go wrong?  Maybe that is the opening scene for Paradise lost?

For me it will be interesting to see whether religeon plays a part as it will be a gutsy move and there are strong hints it will.  Ridley does seem to have an interest in religeon as seen in the Exodus film.  I can see why he left it out so far, once way to alienate a part of the potential audience that the studio heads would not like.

Finally, as a prediction, I reckon we will find David seeing the alien strain/goo as the key to his kind re-producing and that David will be shown to be in charge of the Weyland corporation hence the company knowing about the aliens in the original movie and diverting the ship.

I would love to see Ridley incorporate more of Giger's artistic ideas into the sequel. Maybe the engineers are cold hearted scientists who love to play around with the goo to create new things. They don't have the ability to empathize. They don't have human emotions. They may look at us as lab rats. 

I think they should give more information on what was said between David, Weyland, and the Engineer. I'd also like to see David divulge more info on what he learned from the symbols and writing. He knows a lot more than he lets on. Given that David told Shaw that they were setting out to create, but first had to destroy, it would be nice to know what David knows about that. Maybe that will be answered in the sequel.

This www.ourcase.co.uk is extremely interesting! I greatly enjoy the way in which you have described some of the possible elements that could show up in the next www.casesam.co.uk film! 

Ok here is a recap of what i was told in March and was about last week in March sometime around 27th 2015 unless stated otherwise or as a update....

Production Information

1) They had finished a Final Draft as of October 2014.

2) The movie was scheduled to Wrap up main Shooting in March 2016 but this could have been a misinterpretation but March was signifcant as far as Shooting, so it was either Wrap Up March 2016 which i think is what was said but it could have meant Shooting to start March 2016.

3) They had started fleshing out ideas of how they want the Draft Story to be looking as far as visuals and some doodles had been worked on around the Fall of 2014 and some concept work had been worked on in February 2015

4) Main Production should begin in detail around Fall 2015 (hints some could begin before then). And Ridley will be working with a number of Production Team who worked on Prometheus.

5) The Movie would require and have a LARGER Cast than Prometheus, emphasis on Larger (but never said how much Larger).

6) The Movie would have a 50% Larger Budget than Prometheus but Fox would be more flexible with certain Scenes if they would go over Budget some what... for example a few Shots was never done that was intended for Prometheus due to Budget... Ridley would be allowed a bit more slack on the Budget Strings.

7) Production and Shooting had been held up because Ridley and other Cast Members had Commitments, mainly Ridley with offer to do The Martian, while other Cast Members for Prometheus 2 are tied up. And that the movie has since then gone through a few  changes of ideas as Ridley who is someone spontaneous and can after Drafts was done, come up with few tweeks and changes. And a few things had been slightly changed since then but as of March it was pretty much similar to the Final Draft they had in October.

8) Movie Release date was not mentioned but they assumed we would be looking at a March 2017

Update around  June 2015 they said after Ridley had confirmed after lack of news and concerns the movie was on Hold, Ridley said the movie will be his next and shooting to start in the New Year 2016 (January) that its likely expected the release date would now be March 2017 to May 2017. But definately between Spring and Summer 2017

9) Update August In the Process of September to December 2014 ideas about the Plot and Draft had been fleshed out as far as how they want things to look and so then Concept work started at the end of the year but also carried on early 2015 but its a work in progress as not much time is dedicated due to Ridleys other Projects.

10) Casting was not yet done by March 2015 but they would have some ideas who to draft in and yes we all know Rappace and Fassbender are scheduled but off course they have to work around those Actors and others they want to sign up.. Work Schedules

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Plot Information

11) The Movie will have 3 Plot Elements, and Shaw and Davids mission to find the Engineers Homeworld is just one of those.

12) Shaw and David will not be getting the Answers they want, what they find is truely Horrifying Agenda. Revalations that seperate even futher the original answers Shaw thought they would find when they got to LV 223 in the first movie.

13) The movie will not be based largely on Shaw and David shenanigans aboard the Juggernaught but there will be some screen time devoted to Shaw and David during the trip but not actually interacting as such on the ship. As Shaw will be incapacitated for the most part.

They re-informed be in May, as the above was my interpretation, but the Shaw and Davids trip to find the Engineers would only play a small part, Shaw would be incapacitated for most of the movie and play small part. We wont see much time devoted to them interacting on the journey but there would be some time dedicated to interaction between the two and how things go, but they cant say no more about this (and how he gets back together) and this is one thing i was told not to mention.

14) The Engineers are not God or our creators, but a servant race for some other purpose. So merely as David is to Mankind.

15) And the Engineers are not the Top of the Hierarchy of creation, they serve a Higher Power/Force.

16) The movie will cover Multiple Biengs, and Humans are not the only creations of the Engineers.  And they would show more then ONE Lifeform they encounter! now i assume this means not David, or Xenos or related but maybe Humans, Engineers and another Race? They was vague however.

17) The movie would show us who is above the Engineers in the Hierarchy but these beings are not God, hinting that there is more than one layer above the Engineers in the Hierarchy.

18) The order of Creation/Hierarchy does not Start with the Engineers or end with David 8.

19) David wishes to Play God himself, and continue the order of Hierarchy (May Update) He is free and sees Engineers as less superior to himself. But he has sympathy as the Engineers are pretty much as David was before Freedom.

20) The movie would focus on Order of Creation/Hierarchy and Rebelion against Hierarchy/Creator on multiple levels and that Rebelion leads to disaster and punishment.  Updated in Summer with this.

They added that the theme of Father and Son and Son growing to be and see themselves as equal or greater than there Father and challenge for dominance and so Rebelion as a theme will be explored and Prometheus shows us the seeds of that within the movie.... and we see this in Ancient Culture and Religon right from the Bible and Lucifers Rebelion to overthrow God and Gods fear of this and War and casting Satan out of Heaven...  and with the Greek Mythos we see this on Multiple Levels,  of Father Son, Fear of Betrayal, Rebelion and being overthrown that results in drastic measures as we see, for example they said how Cronus ate his Own Children but Zues was replaced with a Stone... etc

21) If we are expecting a evolution and more depth to the Ancient Aliens connection, this wont be the case but we could see a slight connection as far as some Ancient God connections. As far as Hierarchy and Order of creation.

They kinda said like how David is part of that Hierarchy.

21) There will be some connection between Engineers and Prometheus Myth but this is loosely.... related to the Fire, the movie would futher explore loosely connection between Forbiden Knowledge and Power and in the wrong hands how it can lead to disasterous consequences and punishment.

22) The Black Goo is not quite how its shown in the movie, they are going the route that it is the Origin of Life, the Blood of Life and all creation.  And kind of like from the Tree of Life and Forbiden Fruit. And play with Fire and you get Burnt.

Update Summer... The Goo is actually a Parasitic Micro Organism, similar to some kinds of Algae, it also is a Catalyst for creating and manipulating Life. It acts like a Virus. But is also a Forbiden Tool used for creation and destruction.

23) The comic books followed LV 223 and 426 and while the events show what could happen, the comics are to be considered a alternative. But underlying themes could be explored. (think basically how the Goo works).

24) The Movie will give us more of a link between LV 223 and LV 426, and it will provide some answers to the Alien fans but it wont be a Alien based movie.  These Clues will be vague but not as ambigious as Prometheus.

Fans hopping to hear the Space Jockey Story and for the Space Jockey to be something Alien. Will be disapointed as their will be clues but we wont get to see the actual Space Jockey mission, crash and how those Eggs got on that ship... There would be more clues to some connection between the LV 223 and LV 426 goings on that would show us how they are connected however.. but yes the Space Jockey is a Humanoid in a Space Suit.

25) Prometheus was not the FIRST company mission to the Zeta 2 system. Updated Summer the person confirmed and so i misinterpreted that Promethus was not the first time Mankind had been in the System (LV-223/LV-426) but they wont go into detail.

26) There could be some ideas and things that they never got round to include from Prometheus that could be done in Prometheus 2 (these could be from the drafts and ideas they had when working on the idea behind Prometheus).

27) They are following some ideas from Star Beast as far as connection between the said Hierarchy of creation seen in the movies. This could be regards to Engineer connection to their purpose. And connection to Sacrifices. And Ritual Aspect.

28) There will be two Monsters One new, both will have loose connection to the Xeno but they will be different. I was given more detail and told not to mention it but i did a few months ago, and One Monster will be from a new Event within the next movie. i.e not a event prior to the end of Prometheus.  And this Monster would in part be created at the Hands of David or a event caused through his actions... This Monster will be based off the Original Alien Concept idea of HR Giger that inspired the Xeno design, they had planned to use similar design in earlier drafts and concept work for Prometheus.. The Ultramorph and thus the New Monster will be based off the Necromon 4 Giger Work.  It would also appear to be see through like a Jelly Fish to a degree as opposed to Bio-Mechanical like the Xeno in Alien was.

29) The movie plot has kind of a Matrix and Blade Runner theme to the Agenda of the creators. And Engineers.  It is a Big Bold Plot, that has loose themes we can draw connections to the above movies...

updated stuff i was told that the person knew when i was first Told but they did not pass on, so newer information i got around end of Summer. Following the Hell on Earth Rumours..

30) They said the movie would not be Hell on Earth, and the Working Title is Prometheus: Paradise Lost, but they was also considering Prometheus: Pandemonium or Dark Paradise and its likely the Prometheus prefix would be dropped but it is in no Way Hell on Earth or based on Earth.

The move will be based over 3 Parts.... which at the time i assumed Promethues Parts 1-3

31) There will not be a Army of Davids, but they can say nothing more.. only David features mainly in the movie.

32) Shaw does not Technically Die, but they can not go into any details.

33) We shall see David head towards a Planet connected to the Engineers...

34) The movie has a very Bold Plot, they are trying to distance the Engineers and Earth and all the Ancient Culture and Gods links as far as Religons i.e  Gods created Earth and all thats on Earth connection, they wish to tone that down, well actually going for the route that Earth is not Important we are not the Centre of the Universe as in Ancient Cultures and Myths including Bible and Greek Myths etc.....  but we can draw lose connections between how Mankind came to come up with such stories and connection to the Engineers.  They said the movie is not about Mankinds creation by Godlike biengs in our Galaxy never mind Solar System but something more broader.  And loosely connect to things in the Bible, but in a very BOLD WAY.

if we look at Prometheus and God Connection, then yes we are talking about God and the Garden of Eden, Heaven and Hel, Rebelion and Punishment but only loosely.

35) They also said that Paradise is not the Engineers Homeworld as such... just the focal point of the Engineers and the Hierarchy in regards to our Galaxy and it stands between the Galactic Centre and Earth.... and so is very far away.  They said the idea is to drop hints that the Engineer came from Paradise but this place is not where Creation is based from....

The Plot is going for greater Scale than our Galaxy alone the Plot is not limited to the God/Creation as per Bible and other Ancient Cultures... as back then thousands of years ago most cultures did not know about the Galaxy and its size.... but this person and i agree seems to read into the information given to them, that you know what... it goes futher than these Engineers being from some place in our Galaxy.. they could be touching upon more than our Galaxy but the Universe in General....  In which case whoever the Higher Biengs could be... it could be that they  are not unique to our Galaxy and so Paradise could be just the Homeworld in our Galaxy but maybe not the only Headquarters.

36) The Hammerpedes wont feature, they only have limited life Span just as the Xenomorph does,  but they could procreate like the Xeno does.  But those unfortunate to go to LV 223 are not going to be Alone.  This is where one of the Two Main monsters will be shown to Originate from.  But does not have to mean  a event after the events of Prometheus.  They informed me not mention this detail but we shall see seeds of DNA from the First Movie, but they wont say if this is from a event connected to LV-223/LV-426 and what time frame, just that it would connect some clues towards the goings on in that system.

The Xenomorph wont be shown but clues like we saw in the movie would be expanded upon but they are a combination of two Organisms DNA well the Origins are and one strand of DNA is Engineers.  However they say that Mankind plays a greater Role in the Xenomorph Origins but they wont devulge information, but person i know who spoke to the source says they seemed very hyped about a Human Connection. and that Humans play a role in the next movie but they wont release no information. But its a Bigger part of the Plot.

September Updates....

37)  They are loosley connecting to Paradise Lost Version of Events as opposed to those in the Bible.... but also connections loosley with Greek Mythos and so its not Literally but Metathorically connecting to those tales.

38) The Location of Paradise, or where the events shall mainly be shown are within the Ophiuchus Constellation, they did not specify where but that it would be a Place within that Constellation that would be the seat of the GODs within our Galaxy. I cant quite remember what they was saying but i vaguely remember that it is a place that is about either 3500 parsecs or 600? one of the Two and located within Ophiuchus and near by the Sagittarius Arm of the Galaxy half way between Earth and the Galactic Centre.

I think thats the information, i may have missed some but this information was given to me end of March 2015 for most of it, some i had to keep to myself as i knew bit more than i posted, but after i was given more information over the summer, and especially September i decided October to go into more detail... some stuff i may have forgot but i am sure i had spoke about it within topics i had made on here....

THE SOURCE claims that the information i had been given from March to September was correct as of March 2015 and that some changes had been made only slighlty to the October Draft... but that as Fall 2015 more information would come out that would validate what they had passed to me... i had mentioned that as far back as April that the source said come Fall and Especially November as this is when More Information would start to come out finally regarding the Movie....

which actually did.....

They did say in end September/ start October that as far as the draft October 2014 Ripley was not connected to the movie, but that you cant rule out Changes to the Drafts happening as months go by and especially in relation to Changes that had to be made as far as Blomkamps Movie.  

Then 6 weeks after i was told this we got anouncements of Logan re-working the Draft and not one but Two Name Changes....

The source i dont think will release any more information but i think it have covered what they said, i may have sent more detail to 3 Members on the Forum 3 months back as so they can back up these rumours in detail as the Source said November and onwards that stuff would come out that would back up what they had said.... so i had few members i sent information to, instead of posting it on here... but i had in October posted a few of these bits of information that i was told not to... OPPS!

So again take with Pinch of Salt, and Check posts on Topic from April until September, periods before Ridley started to officially talk more about the movie in detail and things  since then are adding upto what i was told some 3-5 months prior to Official News..

Oh in March i was told about Concept Works...

Which Included...

*Dark Looking World that looked more like LV-426 than LV-223 nevermind Paradise.

* Jugernaught flying in Space with what looked like a Nebula behind it.

* A ship that was similar to the Jugernaught but different, i.e Giger inspired design.

* A Giant Blueish Gas Planet, that had 4 Moons near it....  but person said it could had been a Blue Star, and 4 Worlds?

* A Valley of Statues like the Valley of the Kings Eygpt some Human looking others no so, and in a state of Ruin.

* A Black Obelisk that seemed to not be in ruined condition and alive with a Green Glow comming from it, like the Green Crystal on the Altar in Prometheus.

* A Chamber with like Pods that looked like those from the Matrix and 6th day that had Humanoids inside that looked like Babies a bit, well similar to some of the Cloned Ripleys from Alien Resurection.

* A Biomechanical Wall or Machine that had a Humanoid connected to it, like the Deacon was fused to the Mural in Prometheus and they said it was like a Giger Take on the Robot Girl from Superman 3.

* Large Part Bio-Mechanical looking Part Rock Citadel Building sitting in like a crater/dry moat, covered in low clouds etc pretty much like the Shot of the Derelict in Alien. They said it looked like a Giger Take on the Tower of Babel

Update:  I forgot to put in last post, but i did message 3 people this.... in September here is some stuff i forgot to add to the last post.

* As far as the Paradise Lost, we can draw some things from it and connect to the Engineers and Punishment and Xeno and Serpents, and that if we read parts of Paradise lost about the Fallen Angels turning to Serpents... and that this theme is loosely explored as far as a part of what is going on in the Franchise... and that this connection is actually seen as a Freedom from Bondage rather than Punishment.

they was vague but i think somehow they mean loosely how God Turned some of the Fallen Angels to Serpents and Cast them out....

Managed to speak to a friend who is in contact with the source and have a few updates.

They are not willing to discus nothing about the movie, and said even if they did know they would spill no beans.... the only information this friend (well my brothers friend) had said is they claim that Production had began in the Summer in somepart but was due to get into main gear as of October/November to Shoot March 2016 or so this was the plans as of March 2015.

They said that they had a change of mind with regards to where they are going with the movie Franchise, and wished to make it more of a connection to Alien Franchise as they felt Prometheus to some was too distant from Alien as far as connections and they now wish to go back to the Alien and the events that led to Alien as opposed to stear futher away. 

They was eventually going to provide more answers to the Xeno, LV-426 and LV-223 connection but they had instead decided to cover the Xeno more and tone down the other elements as they felt the Franchise is more about the Xenomorph, why it was made and by who and so the Engineers role in creating such a Bio-weapon was what they feel fans would want to go and see rather than following the Engineers and their Culture... 

They dont know the Plot of Covenant they claim, but they would not let any information slip even if they did... the only thing they said was that the intended Franchise is not going to completely rule out covering the Engineers, they are still going to play a role.  But they are trying to Tidy up a Complex Story that may not engage Fans, to be one that would bring fans onboard and link to Alien Franchise and Alien 5.   They can not say what plans they have for David and Shaw but they definitely not closing the Door on the Engineers and their Dark Agenda.  

And while it seems the next movie would be more Xenomorphy... the Prequel Franchise and Aliens Sequel (Alien 5) will introduce newer forms of the Xeno.

The only information they had with regards to Production and Shooting is that some work had begun on ideas for the Original Concept and these would not be disused but introduce latter, but work on major Props and Sets for Alien: Covenant would be worked on mid January which include the Covenant Colony Ship itself ready for shooting end of March 2016.

They also said that (Fox/Ridley) should have all major casting roles signed on by February 18th with other less roles by the end of March.  And so after February 26th we can expect a few names to come out as far as other cast members.

Again take it with pinch of salt... the person who told me this got this information from the Source January 19th  and the Source does not have any information regarding what Alien: Covenant Plot would cover as the information they had was based on Micheal Greens Draft (October 2014) and not the re-work and NEW draft done by John Logan worked on through October 2015.

Big Dave: ” as they felt Prometheus to some was too distant from Alien as far as connections and they now wish to go back to the Alien and the events that led to Alien as opposed to stear futher away.”

That is cool I guess but I hope that they will not ignore the Engineers totally, that would be bad. I think that the story of the Engineers really has potential but that they should connect it with the Xeno more than they meant to do when they released Prometheus. Having a pure Xeno movie would be a bit boring (been there seen that) but allowing it to have a bigger role than they thought about before is OK to me.  

I would like to know more about the Engineers and their culture while also know more about the Xeno but they should leave some mystery about it also I think. It is good that they won’t ignore them totally because that would be a shame if they did. Somehow I think that they need to make the Engineers more threatening and not let them be a match to our DNA. Make the Engineers less human, that would be cool because that is less known and hence more threatening I think. People are more afraid of things that they don't understand which could work with the Engineers.

Two things that they need to do I think is to make the Engineers interesting and also have characters that you care about. David was well done but you need more than that. Hopefully they have someone this time that knows how to write good characters (and yes that includes the Engineers also).

Well i think they was disapointed with the Engineers, and especially the Elders... Ridley said the Elders did not look as Godlike as they wanted, and they felt that scene was not needed as it gave too much about the Engineers away....  And Ridley said he did not want to meet God in the first movie.

What i think happened was they was disapointed with the Frail looking Elders, and wanted to re-design them for the Sequel.... and maybe have something more Godlike, and so the Engineers get relegated to being just servants... i think this is why so many scenes of the Engineers had been cut....  the Version we got in the Cinema just showed the Engineers to be Agressive SOB's who disliked Mankind, but also used as Sacrifices to Seed Worlds, and then to be Tasked with messing about with Dangerous Biology and Bio-Weapons....

So in effect the Engineers came across more like Biological Terminators.... if we looked at the Full Engineer Scenes including the ones we had not seen which in Full Sacrifical Scene... and the Engineer Full Speaks Scene.... (The Deleted Scenes are still not the full ones) and the Engineer with the Book in Vickers Lifeboat...... they all Portrayed the Engineers differently than the way the Cut we had did.

So these cuts may be a way to change how they want to show us he Engineers and so maybe they are just Tools/Servents to another Race... much like David is to Mankind.

I certainly hope they are not going to abandon the Engineers or their Hierarchy but i think a U-Turn has happened as far as  Tone Down Engineer Elements, and Detail the Xeno Elements more....   Spaights (Engineers) draft started off being 50/50 Engineers and hints of Culture and Xeno related Bio-Weapons and Experiments.. and it never answered both fully... just proved to be a starter and a prologue to explore in future....  Paradise (Lindeloffs) and Final Prometheus movie idea... Toned down the Xeno, and Detailed the Engineers more to about 70/30 in favour of Engineers but also never directly gave Xeno DNA clues like the Spaights movie and so while 30% of Prometheus was Xeno-Related DNA that DNA was not as higher % of Xeno as Spaights.  

The movie came out and had cuts that cut down Engineer connections.... and the movie was setting up to maybe explore more of the Engineers and so would have even less Xeno DNA.

Seems they had a U-Turn and now they want to show is more Xeno than Engineers, i think the idea is that Fans and General Puplic would be more open to a Alien Prequel that actually covers the Alien so that it pleases the Fans and the General Puplic would Finally get a movie that makes more sense and they can see connection to Alien... as i think in General most never saw how Prometheus linked to Alien.... most who saw Alien movies never really paid attention to the Space Jockey or Derelict Ship as in the Alien Franchise both only saw a little screen time.. So its only Sci-Fi Fans and Alien Fans who noticed those.

Before when they gave us the Engineers and the Plot they created us and potentially other life, this Elevated the Engineers to being the Biggest thing in the Franchise....  Mankind is merely a creation of the Engineers, the Xeno merely a Tool of Destruction....  I now think they want to make the Franchise about the Xeno and Mankind and the Engineers to be covered vaguely... this will set up a Prequel Series that showcases the Xeno its Origin and reasons for it and Mankinds connection.... as well as to explain the Engineers involvement to a degree...

This would then give the Origins and Answers to Alien.... JOB DONE.... and if done right, it also allows Alien 5 and Alien 6 to showcase Engineers Tech and Evil Biology and then should let Fans then wonder.... WHO ARE THESE ENGINEERS?  This could get fans who never saw Prometheus or never got it... to then re-watch it and then want movies that will ANSWER who are the Engineers in which case Fox gets freedom to then Branch off and cover the Engineers in detail and steer away from the Xeno...... as it is just a small part in the whole Engineer Agenda and Culture.....

If you read the above Paragraph backwards you will see that its matches what Prometheus was trying to show, and what Ridleys comments all the way to prior to Alien: Covenant was doing....

Now if we take Ridleys im comming in from the back end...  if Ridleys Original idea was like my paragraph backwards.... then going to that paragraph from the back end.... gives you the way things seem to be going now......  

So instead of Explore Engineers, minor hints to Xeno, then end with more clues and Answers to the Xeno.....  they could not be concentrating on the Xeno clues, with clues to the Engineers playing a Role and then ending with exploring the Engineers in detail last...

At least i hope so...

Big Dave:

I don’t think that it would make sense to cut out the Engineers totally because it feels that they had just begun to tell that part of it. People that saw the Engineers for the first time and became curious about who they are might get disappointed if they are not in the next movie and would be like “what ever happened to the big guys?” so I don’t think that they will get rid of the Engineers but they got to make them interesting and also make sense of them.

Maybe a little Xeno connection is OK but I don’t want a pure Xeno movie. Exploring the culture of the Engineers would be interesting but try to make them more threatening and maybe less human like. For example: a monkey and a human share DNA but they are not the same, the same could be done with the Engineers.

Perhaps they don’t need to explain the Engineers and Xeno fully, a little mystery is good but it got to be explained in a way that makes sense. If you explain some things well people might not be that annoyed by the things that they are not spoon fed. One problem with P1 was that there were too many things that didn’t make sense and also that they didn’t flesh out the characters didn’t make it better.

A bit more of the Xeno would be OK but it shouldn’t be a Xeno movie I think (we already have four Xeno movies, LOL). They could have maybe 70% Engineer and 30% Xeno. Inside that 70% Engineer they could also show if the Engineers made other monsters than the Xeno that we know, that could be interesting if the monsters are done right. While many people might view the Xeno as a threat then after some more Prometheus movies that view might change so the Engineers are now shown as the mean bastards, that would be interesting but you got to make them into a convincing threat.

Maybe the Engineers also did other monsters? If they made other monsters they don’t need to be that many since then the Xenos would still be special if they are one of few live forms that the Engineers view as well developed weapons. As far as inspirations for something dangerous you can look around in the world and think about different scenarios and then you have a picture of what it can be about. Take some crazy bastards with a huge ego and a wish for world domination and let them develop biological weapons and then you have a potential for an interesting movie.

I think that it can be difficult to see how Prometheus linked to Alien if you hadn’t watched Alien before, I wouldn’t have made that connection. One of my friends told me that it was an Alien prequel, I never understood that while I watched the movie. When he told me I was like “well that makes sense”. Of course, if you have something featured in a movie for just a short time then how can they pay attention to it? Alien (1979) is about two hours long and how long is the scene with the Space jockey? With this in mind it isn’t surprising that many didn’t think about the SJ that much. Honestly I am not even sure if all Alien fans understood the connection between the Engineer and the Space Jockey but that is just how I look at it.

Having the movie being about mankind wouldn’t be as interesting to me compared to if it would be about the Engineers and their monsters. There are enough movies about mankind already or at least that isn’t a new idea, the Engineers and their monsters on the other hand have potential. Some answers to the Alien could be OK but leave some mystery about it. I still think that the Xenos are interesting enough to watch the Alien movies now and then so by having them explained in detail would take away what is interesting about the Alien movies.

Please no Alien 5 and/or 6, there are already four movies out there and Alien 4 wasn’t really that good. Also when answering who the Engineers are I also think that they need to leave some space for people to use their imagination as far as the Engineers go, that is what made the Xeno effective because it did that (made you use your imagination).

Hopefully they will give us more info about the Engineers and focus less on the Xeno but still explain some of the Xeno, that would be an interesting movie I think at least it has potential to be so. I hope that they will get it right this time (a script that makes sense, interesting characters, and so on).

I understand your concerns and wishes... and seemed the next movie was going to be more to the tastes of yourself..... and me too... HOWEVER.... the way the next movie is going i would be prepared to be Disapointed.

It seems it will feature less Engineers,  Prometheus set up the Story for Engineers because of the Plot and that was Shaw and Holloway finding clues via Archaeological finds that all shared same depictions of Giant Godlike beings worshiped by Man, that all seem to link a certain Star Chart/Map.  Shaw and Holloway felt these were clues left by Ancient Gods to come and find them... Shaw and Holloway and the Mission knew they could potentially find Giant Beings but they had no idea of what these beings were working with..... The Black Goo etc.

We saw Dead Engineers, We saw Ghost Engineers, they examined a Engineer Head and found a Live Engineer......   not to mention the opening Scene showed us a Engineer.

The movie only had vague lose clues to the Xenomorph.... Mural, Frescos (which never fully appeared so Audience would not have noticed), the effects of the Goo, produced the Hammerpedes and its look and Acid Blood.....  but these where very vague not everyone would have noticed the DNA links..... then we had Shaws Baby, that grew to the Trilobite... which Face Hugged the Engineer and Produced the Deacon Chest Buster....  the Adult Trilobite and Decon Chest Buster where the Major Xeno DNA Links...

But they was vague...

I expect a U-Turn in the next movie, where the Xeno links and DNA would be as Evident as the Engineers in Prometheus and the Engineers will apear vaguely as the Xeno DNA did in Prometheus.

But i think  they would not abandon the Engineers, and i feel the next movie after which could be Alien: Paradise Lost could well be where we see more of our Engineers....

It seems they had a plan.... Prometheus ==> Paradise Lost ==>Final Movie!

Where Prometheus laid down foundations for the Engineers/Space Jockey and mildy covered the Xeno.... the next movie Paradise Lost would have covered the Engineers, their purpose and some of Shaws Answers... it would have loosely linked Xeno answers.... then we would have got the Final Movie that would have provided the Aftermath to Shaw and Davids meetings with beings Related to Engineers and then gave us more Clues to the Xenomorph the Xeno Origins would be explained... and we would have a more 50/50 Xeno/Engineer movie.... thats the way things looked.

Now what they have done is changed things.... it seems they now want to answer the Xeno Question a bit more and so we have..

Prometheus ==> Alien Covenant ==> Alien Paradise Lost ==> Alien Prequel 2 ==> Maybe Final Part.

Where Alien Covenant will bring new Plot to it, that can be used to explore Xeno DNA, and where Alien Covenant events occur after most of Alien Paradise Losts...... then we get Paradise Lost that would cover more of the Engineers and also what happend prior to Covenant and after Prometheus.....   this will be a re-write of the Original Paradise Lost Plot... then the next movie would maybe touch upon parts of what the 3rd Prometheus Movie was supposed to.... and FINALLY a 4th movie would be made purely to show the SPACE JOCKEY Story.

Thats how it all seems to me..

Here is the emphasise on the new Direction of the Movie Franchise... reading from the Synopsis and Ridleys related Comments.

*Showcase the World of the Engineers and what state it is in... (Destruction)

*David will be alone on this world, but there is a Evolving Organism created by the Engineers or using their Evil Biology

*New Human Crew of a Colony Ship arrive at this World expecting Paradise but find a Dark and Dangerous World... the most of them will be Fodder to the Evolving Organism. Maybe even used as Hosts.

*The movie will show us and re-introduce the Xenomorph, we shall see all of its Stages.

*The movie is set to explore who created the Xeno, and how and why... and why it is Bio-Mechanical....  but it is to set the seeds to these Answers that a 2nd movie would explore more (thus Engineer and Xeno connection).

*By the time they Finish the Franchise we shall know WHY, WHEN and HOW the Xenomorph was created and WHY, WHEN  and HOW the Space Jockey ended up on LV-426 with that Cargo.

*The movie Franchise will connect to Ripley starting with Covenant but he would not say how.

We have to assume within the next 1-2 movies after Alien Covenant we will cover the Engineers more, and resolve some of those Questions from Prometheus... but we cant be sure how much we shall see.....  but the Fact that we shall see the Space Jockey Explained by the end of 2-3 movies latter means they would have to touch upon the Space Jockey and Engineers.

The next few movies leave us with a few Problems... which could be rays of hope...

Ridley has said and it is for a good reason... that this movie has to be out before Alien 5, and that Alien: Covenant shall come out First, and then Alien 5 shall come out next... Then we shall have at least One Sequel to Alien: Covenant but it may even take a 3rd Alien Prequel (not inc Prometheus) to Final Get to the Back End of Alien and Explain the Space Jockey.... 

Alien 5 is now set to have Newt, who may be passed the torch and so you can bet this means a Alien 6.....  Now... can you really see them make starting with Alien: Covenant 5 more Alien Related Movies?    If thats the case, i cant see them make 5 Alien movies that will be all about the Traditional Xenomorph from Alien or any related to the same kind of Egg Cargo one the Derelict and also to not cover the Engineers in depth.

So there is hope... unless they are going for the Cash Money Cow!

Here are those Problems...

*No Mention of Shaw, and Rappace may not be in the next movie.... are they going to completely make 2-3 more movies and connect to Alien and exclude Shaw and what happens between when she collects David in Two Parts to when the Covenant Crew Arrive, is left unanswered.....? 

*No Mention of Engineers, the World they find is devastated, with only David alone, and some Evolving Xeno Related Organism, that may be the Xeno or gives rise to a Xeno?  So are we not going to see Engineers? Are we not going to get answers Shaw wants... even if Shaw is to never appear....  Ridley claims we shall be shown, how and why the Beast was created and hints they (Engineers) created it...  so we have to see some elements of the Engineers but will we see any Engineers?   Imagine no Sacrifice Scene in Prometheus and the Last Engineer was dead too.... maybe we see his lifeless body and then a Chest Buster popped out and hunted down the Prometheus Crew..... the movie would been similar.. would given less clues to the Engineers though...    So we cant rule out the next movie would have not so much Engineer Scenes.

*Are they going to completely avoid the above 2... and so Prometheus role in the Franchise was quite pointless?  and what about the Talk about Engineers, Gods, Devils, Fallen Angels and Paradise Lost.... are these things going to be completely removed? maybe from the next movie but surely loosely they have to pop up in the next few movies?

*The Covenant Crew will have a lead Role, Officer Daniels... are they going to build up a lead Character then drop her from the next movies like Shaw?  This would work if Shaw appears in the next movie... but if Shaw is removed from future movies.... then they surely cant do the same with Daniels.... and so she must survive for the next movie.... which then means how does the Engineers get introduced?  and if its within the Timeline of Alien Covenant... surely the Engineers that apear are Benevolent towards Daniels?   As if not how does she overcome Evil Engineers,  Xenomorphs and a David with Bad Intentions...

because if David has good ones, then he would warn the Crew look this place is not safe, lets get the hell out of here.... and then well thats the end of the Prequels.. unless something gets onboard or their is a sneaky Company Type who steals something... related to Xeno DNA.

As far as being disappointed I don’t try to have huge expectations. As long as it is somehow logical and has characters that you can identify with it is OK for me.

 Big Dave:

Maybe it will feature less Engineers than they had planned to do in the beginning but that doesn’t mean that it will be a full on Xeno movie, at least I hope that it won’t be.

The clues to the Xeno were vague but at least I got sort of satisfied when I had watched Prometheus an X amount of times and could figure that out. The fact that I had watched the Alien movies many times before helped. Maybe you could call it detective work, LOL but I understand that not all people have the patience or interest to do so maybe then it would have been better for people in general if they would have been a little more detailed. They could have been more up front with it than they were now (maybe some more of Spaight’s script could have helped) but that doesn’t mean that it should be obvious because then it would take away the fun that’s how I look at it.

Hopefully the clues to the Xenos won’t be overly evident so people can figure things out themselves but they won’t have to be vague Lindelof style. I try to find some middle way in this between obvious and very difficult. They will probably focus more on the Xeno than the Engineers but that shouldn’t mean that they should reject the Engineers totally because they have potential to be interesting but that depends on the way that they are written

The Engineers could get interesting if they explain them somehow, what kind of beings they are, their culture, and their motifs (spelling?).

It would be cool if the Engineer planet would be devastated partially from a civil war. I remember reading somewhere that there were supposedly two factions of the Engineers (this is a memory from long ago so don’t take it too literally) that could be interesting.

Prometheus gave some information about the Engineers but give us more information about them. Make it interesting, logical, but leave some mystery about them (as I hope that they will do with the Xeno).

It is good that they will give us Prometheus 2 first, since the first one was released about 5 years ago. There is no problem to me that it will take a third Prometheus movie to explain the Engineers as long as it is interesting have good characters, is somehow logical, but at the same time has some mystery about it. Prometheus was vague (a little too much probably) but that gives interesting discussions.

I can see why they have Newt in the movie but it would be totally lame to continue the Alien franchise (spelling?) with Newt as the main character. The Alien movies should be buried by now before they turn into a joke to the point where you can’t take Alien and Aliens seriously because they remind you about the crappy movies (and yes I like Alien 3). Maybe this is a disease that Hollywood has: they can’t come up with new ideas so they do movie 5 6 7 about X Y and Z. (Star Wars 7 is an exception but the prequels were not very good so now there are at least 4 good Star Wars movies.) When will someone say that enough is enough? Seriously

I don’t think that there is a problem that we won’t see much of Shaw in Alien: covenant. Like I have said before she isn’t very interesting so I don’t really care that much. My hope is that they will make a good character when it comes to the new female lead.

One thing that could be cool is if Shaw doesn’t get the answers that she wants but maybe gets some other interesting information that could also be relevant. We don’t get answers to everything in real life so that could also happen in movies I think. It is almost like you don’t always get what you wish for Christmas but you might get other things that you also enjoy that you didn’t even thought that you would like.

Hopefully we will see the engineers somehow, it would be lame to start with them (Prometheus) and not have them in Alien: Covenant. It would make no sense to have the first movie about them and then totally ignore them in the next one. Prometheus should have some role in the Franchise it would be a mistake to take away all the importance of it. As far as the talk about Gods, devils and so on they can keep it in the movies if they do it in a clever way otherwise they should at least tone down the role of these (which is not to say that they shall avoid them). The idea of Gods and devils could be done well just look at The Exorcist. Maybe the Excorsist and the Prometheus movies can not be totally compared but at least they could find inspiration in some way. Sometimes you can find inspiration for things where you least expect to find it. They should try to look around and if they don’t have it in P2 then they could use it in later movies if done well (no lazy, lame bullshit script thank you very much).

Daniels is a character that I am looking forward to see how she is. Maybe they have learned from the criticism about the characters in Prometheus? Hopefully they have listened; it would be strange if they haven’t. When I heard about a new female lead character in P2 I became interested. I really hope that she will be more interesting than Shaw.

The Engineers don’t have to be benevolent to Daniels but she should survive anyways (don’t ask me how). If they will kill Shaw then they should let Daniels live. Killing two female lead characters would be lame. How she would survive the Engineers, David and so on: well she could be trained in survival, skills that she had learned on earth and get might get use for at the Engineer planet. Don’t ask me how she got them and how she is using them, it’s just an idea that I have. If you make her an interesting character you might only have to explain quickly how she got these skills.

David and his good and bad sides: I would prefer if he is not all trough bad because we already saw that with Ash in Alien (1979). This is one of the good things about David that he wasn’t all evil in Prometheus you could also see his potentially good sides. Maybe I am exaggerating the good things about David but at least he helped Shaw to get some medicine before she removed the Squid alien and he seemed to care for her before they would leave (“I thought you were dead”, he said that to Shaw or something similar which at least hints that he cares for her in an android kind of way depending on how advanced you think that David is which is if he can feel emotions). If They get out of there at the end of the Prometheus prequels then how does those in Alien (1979) find the Derelict? David could maybe have something to do with the derelict in an indirect way and how could he have that if they just decide to run away from the Engineers? If someone gets on board on their ship and steals some Xeno thing then how would that happen and why?

"Maybe you could call it detective work, LOL but I understand that not all people have the patience or interest to do so "

Thats the thing that Prometheus needed, it helped to see it over and over, to watch the Alien movies, to read the Drafts by Spaights and Lindeloff, look at unused concepts and read Star Beast and then also do a lot of pause screen when watching the movie...

Then you can kind of get it... if you do a CSI Job on it... sadly most people dont have time to bother doing that and so it was to vague....  i think they need to be less ambigious but also they do not want to go and Spoon Feed Answers.

I think they will be moer vague with the Engineers and less with the Xeno for the next movie... i think maybe the 2nd movie would explore the Engineers.

I feel what has happened as i said before is they had a idea... after Prometheus they had the framework for a  Paradise Lost, that would follow Shaw and David and give some answers and maybe give us some insight into the Engineers and what really caused them to create such Evil Bio-Weapons and touch upon Paradise Lost theme of a Rebelion between Fractions.. Ridley mentions Paradise Lost and Fallen Angels quite a bit and so in context then yes if the Engineers on LV-223 were Fallen Angels, then their has to be a Benevolent Fraction and maybe some War....  Paradise Lost Poem starts after the Aftermath of a Holy War of Rebelion between Satan and God and their Angels...  The movie would have followed such themes, and it would have gave more Xeno Clues but it would have been about the Engineers, and what Calamity had happened to cause a War and Rebelion in the ranks and what is the Aftermath.

A 3rd movie would have covered aftermath of Paradise Lost and was to give us more clues to the Xeno so by the end of that movie we would know what happened and have enough clues to peice the Jigsaw together...

But seems Covenant has come in to add a new Plot set 10 years after Prometheus.... that may borrow some of the Original Plot.... its as if  they will be setting the next movie after the events that happen between David leaving LV-223 and arriving on Paradise.....  I cant see them having it that David finds no Engineers, and just there Bio-Weapons.... and then we see Xeno Related Movie that will then lead to YES Two more movies that connect to Alien.. and have it about he Xeno without covering or showing Engineers.  

So i assume Covenant in part is a sequel to Paradise Lost, be like doing a Machette Cut and edit bits in and out of a Franchise of movies.... i think the next movie could have some Flash Backs and cover what happened to Shaw and what Paradise was like when David Arrives.

As far as Shaw goes... i think the movie left us on a IMPORTANT Dynamic between Shaw and David... it would make for some interesting Scenes to see how her persaudes her to put him back together and how the Hell he intended to Fly the Ship without this and how Shaw would survive the journey.... Never mind Shaws Questions...

Did they just find LV-223 and we saw they never had many Answers for what was going on, it was only Davids deciphering of Clues that he had some idea of what was going on.... until they find that Last Surviving Engineer (we have to assume) on LV-223, David Talked to him and he got some Answers back.... the cut of the movie we never got so much and basically one pissed off Engineer... so after he dies... he tells David they are not from LV-223 this place is not their homeworld but they are from a place that David says we may interpret as Paradise.

With that Shaw wants to go there....  so regardless of if Shaw dies or David leaves her behind...

Are we to then only have ever came across ONE LAST Engineer who never gave us mush answers... and now as David arrives at the Engineers Homeworld... we find that indeed they are all dead or not there....  So the Engineer in Prometheus that was in Cryo-Sleep is the Last and Only Engineer Left?

Are they going that route? I hope not.... but they could do soo...  but surely they would have clues left, maybe recordings or logs that David can decipher and relay that information to the Covenant Crew... as for sure they are going to want to know how the Hell David ended up on this World when Prometheus was destroyed (thats if Covenant knows about Prometheus) well we know David does not get there on a Earth Ship and so the Covenant crew will want to know how he got there and maybe even see the Juggernaught and surely they would ask what is that and why has he taken it to that World (Paradise).

David could explain it all, and maybe while he is on Paradise and looks over the Destruction and what ever remains of Engineers Culture, he could maybe get Answers this way and relay it to the crew of the Covenant and Audience... Maybe we will see Hologram Ghost Scenes again?

But even if all Engineers are dead, it would be a waste to  not have Flash Back Scenes like the Sacrifical one, as a way of showing to us visually what David is explaining as far as what he has found out that happened.

As far as Daniels.... well i have not been super impressed by Waterston but its not just Actors Credentials that matter but the Director and having a Good Script and Character Designs..

She will play a key role and it seems bigger one than Shaw had in the first movie, even being more of a New Ripley....  but as far as what kind of a Woman she is... well this is a Colony Ship and not a Military or Scientific one and so i dont expect much skills for her, but basic leadership and survival ones... then again look at Ripley in Alien.... so yes she could evolve..

But how would she survive to a David with bad intentions? Maybe because of David with Good intentions as Fassbender is playing two roles..... and how does she survive the Xenos and Engineers...

Maybe this is where COVENANT plays in?  Maybe at some point we come across a Engineer or being related who somehow saves Daniels.. and they make some kind of Pact... i.e  do not tell your Kind about this place...  this place is not intended for your kind.. do never return and if she does not return then the Engineer or who ever, makes a Pact that they would leave Mankind to its own devices.... but should Daniels and crew break this Pact then the Engineer etc would have no choice but to carry out a destruction of Mankind.

Great info BigDave!

I think Ridely/Fox realised they could go forward in time to tell the origin story. They didn't need to go backwards.    It's not like the Xeno Death star was destroyed, Darth Xeno/evil empire defeated and moviegoers wanted to know the backstory of Darth Xeno or Ripley's childhood.

I think you can tell the origins of the Xenomorph from a future view(archaeology), Find a cave on LV-987, find large laboratory for making goo/xeno, put 2 and 2 together. Huge fight. laboratory destroyed. the End.

Big Dave:

Exactly, they shouldn’t assume that people have the time to do that or are even interested in doing that except for the geeks. ;) I have been trying so that helped a lot. What were they thinking? I know that we have discussed about Lindelof and ambiguity and how Fox interfered but really

Yes a road in the middle or what ever to call it would be good. Not to obvious and not too difficult the question is how you find that balance. They should really have serious discussions about this before they go to work. If they don’t talk about it then there will be a bigger risk that it would be too obvious or maybe too difficult… again.

If they are more vague with the Engineers then might there not be a risk that people don’t understand them either? Doing a mistake once is OK but doing the same mistake twice when they know how many reacted would not be a smart thing to do. I am not sure if that is a very good idea but I agree about the Xeno.

If Covenant has a new plot it might be for the better if they have considered that many people didn’t understood Prometheus. Hopefully David will find some Engineers because that is what they were going with the story first, it would be weird if they change that so there will be no Engineers in P2.

So David gets his head back but I am not really interested in seeing how because that might not be a huge part of the story at least I feel that way. He is in the movie and he has a big part then why should it be important to see how he got his head back? Maybe there would be some interesting scenes but the question is if those scenes are very important. Couldn’t they just show that Shaw survives the journey and then people could try to figure out how themselves but then maybe some of it would need an explanation. Some people might care about Shaw’s questions (why did they create us, and so on) but I am more interested in seeing other aspects of the Engineers (their world, different monsters, Engineers as creators of life but being like mean life forms to human beings).

The Engineers should not be all gone, that would be disappointing. People survive earth quakes even though many die so what ever disaster that happened on Paradise there should be some Engineers left to continue the story about. David could give some answers to why they ended up on Paradise but he wouldn’t have to explain everything that is how I look at it. Some holograms and flash backs could work, maybe but they would need to do that better compared to how they did it with the running Engineers in Prometheus. If you just watched the hologram it made no sense, you had to put it in context, this is another thing that people might found confusing about the movie. To me it was obvious that they ran from some monster but how was that created and how did it turn on them? That was never answered very well except for maybe vague clues.

I haven’t seen Waterston in any movie before but sure she got to be better than Shaw. They can make a good character of Daniels and it would be weird if they mess up two main characters in a row, no? The pact seems interesting but that is depending on if the Engineers can compromise.

@MonsterZero

We dont really really know what Ridley meant by comming in from the back end...  i have a assumption however and its not going to be as you said "I think Ridely/Fox realised they could go forward in time to tell the origin story. They didn't need to go backwards.    It's not like the Xeno Death star was destroyed, Darth Xeno/evil empire defeated and moviegoers wanted to know the backstory of Darth Xeno or Ripley's childhood"

I think they will be giving us Flashbacks...  i think there is a lot of supporting Evidence unless they are going for a Total U-Turn and will discard everything Prometheus was trying to show us apart from David ends up getting to Paradise with a Cargo of Black Goo....  then the sequel was pointing towards Shaw and David getting to Paradise and finding some Biengs related to the Engineers if not Engineers themselves and somewhat getting some Answers... Ridley had also brought up over and over Paradise Lost, Fallen Angels... God/Devil and even how there could be someone at the Top of that Chain who not only is above the Engineers but also has a affect on How Worlds exist that have the right Characteristics so that Life can be seeded on them.

If we take the above, and how Ridley had said before the Space Jockey and Derelict had been on LV-426 for thousands of years.... and then maybe consider Micheal Biehns comment about how Alien: Covenant is set Thousands of years prior to Aliens...

There is no way really these can be addressed if we are to just find David on Paradise with no Trace of the Engineers or Shaw and only the Xenomorph or related Organism.....  Maybe this would allow the Fanboys to be pleased as we find out how the Xeno came to be... but it would be a bit odd if they have its creation at a date 18 years prior to Alien..... and have us believe the Derelict landed on LV-426 after the events of Covenant..... never mind while it may please Fanboys who just want to see Xenos, and maybe having Xenos would make more Sales and Money as more of the Audience would get the movies connection to Alien...

But what about those who was interested in Prometheus and the many unanswered questions that have more to do with the Engineers.... surely they cant just give us a Franchise that will give us a New Lead Character in Daniels and have another  2 movies to cover her and Xeno Shenanigans that span another 18 years until Alien and failing to cover the Engineers or what became of Shaw?

So i would think the movie would have More than One Plot..... as far as Timeline of events... Prometheus had One Main Plot, that was Prometheus Mission to LV-223 and what they find and the Aftermath.... but it also opened with a Flash Back Sacrificial Scene set Millions or years ago... or just showing how Engineers Seed life on Worlds... and then a Scene of Holloway and Shaw finding the Star Maps a few years prior to Prometheus.

I would expect Alien: Covenant may have to touch upon some Scenes set at a earlier point in time, there is a lot of ground that has to be covered by the Franchise... not including what ever Plot that Covenant unfolds and the Aftermath. 

Lets take a look at these and i will start with the ones maybe Covenant will answer, well is intended to answer, and how these are going to be hard unless the movie has Flash Back Scenes, or a lot of Clues or records that David and the crew of Covenant find... that they can relay to the Audience to explain the below.....

Pretty much how Shaws, and Janeks comments about LV-223 being a Outbreak, and how this place was used as a Bio-Weapons Laboratory but they got careless something got spilled or some other mishap that lead to dire consequences.... most of this information we never saw many actual clues or actually what happened... only the Ghost Engineer Scene and the rest was from other clues and Shaw and Janek commenting about what they THINK happened, that was intended to tell US what Most likely did HAPPEN.

So lets cover things starting with what looks likely to be covered, and then others that i feel has to be covered and then see how really any of these can be covered unless we have Flash Back Scenes... or Mild clues as above in the Shaw and Janek diaglog in Prometheus.

*The Xenomorph Origins, or the Origins of the Biology that leads to them.

*Who created the above and why?  (Engineers).

*If they arrive at Paradise (Engineers Homeworld) and its a scene of Devastation then do we get any clues or answers to Why, and what became of the Engineers on Paradise?

*How are they going to connect and show us the event that led to the Space Jockey on LV-426 and when did this happen or when does it happen?

=========This seem above have to be covered or so it seems=======

*Do we get any more answers or clues as to why LV-223 was used and was it always used as a place to create, experiment and store Bio-Weapons?

*Do we find out the status of the Engineers Culture and Empire within the Galaxy, are they all gone? If so why?

*What is the whole Agenda of the Engineers and is there anyother Race or beings above them in the Hierarchy?

*Do we find out any reasons for why the Engineers seeded life on Earth and had connections with Ancient Mankind?

*Do we find out why they never came back?

*Do we find out in more detail what really happened on LV-223 thousands of years ago?

*The company in Alien, seems to know a little bit more about the LV-426 Signal and what may be there than the Crew of the Nostramo did... Special Order 937, how much did they really know?

======Below attains to Questions and Plot Holes from Prometheus======

*Do we find out what becomes of LV-223 from after the year 2094 and at least 2122 never mind by the time of Aliens?

*Do we find out what happened to Shaw?

*Do we find out how David managed to be back together in one peice?

So you see i think they way the Franchise was set up, these all should be answered and its how can these be answered with No Flash Back or Hologram Scenes, or not actual Engineers alive within the Timeline of Prior to 2100 and after!

There are other Questions that are not relevent really, but ones that could be answered but dont need to be... such as.

*What becomes of the Hamerpedes and Deacon from Prometheus?

*What is in those other Temple Mounds on LV-223 and what about the Cargo of the many more Juggernaught Ships?

*What other Races have the Engineers created and Worlds and for what purpose?

@Thoughts_Dreams

I agree with pretty much all that you had said...

If we look at Prometheus it had a few problems in General and i am not going to go on about the Characters and Plot Devices with them that could have been done better.... while these things make for a better movie... they have NO EFFECT on the Plot... but i hope they learn from Prometheus and have a better Script and Character use.

But apart from the Script as far as Characters and use of them... here are main problems that bogged down Prometheus.....

*Alien Prequel that well... general audience may not have known it was, and watching it would not have given them clues that it was... and even those who knew it was supposed to be set before Alien had a hard time to figure out what connection... apart from Weyland Company and a Android the rest they maybe never understood.

*No real Xenomorphs, not that general Puplic and even some fans who kinda knew it was a Alien Universe Movie....

*No Origins about how the Xeno came to be and why the Space Jockey had those Eggs and what happened to him..... although the movie attempted to show us the Space Jockey was a race of Giant Humanoids who create life and also very horrid Bio-Weapons connected in some what to the Xeno.

*The movie explored some interesting themes and ideas, and tried to make some connections but what the movie did was give us to many vague Questions and ambiguity and leaving a lot of Questions that need Answers.

*The movie seemed to at its core have a Plot that attempted to loosely answer Questions and set up a sequel that could maybe Answer these.... the movie had a idea and a Plot from A-Z but during Post Production the movie got Cut and Edited in a Way that A-Z was not A-Z sometimes a G would be before a E and a D after a T and missing a S, P and L for example. So it become a bit incoherent even more so...

The next movie and movies have to be careful not to fall into the same Trap of Problems as above that affected Prometheus..... by resolving the Questions somewhat from Prometheus and making sure the next movie or movies dont suffer from the same flaws... will in the End Iron out the Flaws of Prometheus and eventually make that movie and its Mystreys and Alien (1979) Mystery all make sense and FIT IN....

@BigDave. Has Ridley said what planet is in the opening of Prometheus? Is it Earth, a million/billions of years ago? LV-223? Or just showing what the Engineers do on every planet they encounter? If it's Earth, then they seeded Earth? ? could it be Paradise?

And I expect the Crew of the Covenant to find a God machine.

I was a bit busy :) I hope that this will help us to decipher the whole story! I will make a few more pictures if I find something still hidden.

So here we are...
I will also try to analyse all of pictures in detail very soon :)
I hope there is something interesting on pictures that was not mentioned by now...

Sorry for tipfelers on images... See how depictions are hierarchically presented from top to bottom (strange creature on top, Satan, Xeno, Christ and angel... we have humans and facehuggers also)!

There are even many more pictures within pictures... when you put altar you can see formed human head (similar to that in chamber), and when you look Christ depiction differently there is even some kind of animal head (with ears and hair) visible (wolf)...

@Thoughts_Dreams

The Movie was set up to show is that it was Earth.... but it was never mentioned to be so, but yes the Scene was Shot not far from where Shaw and Holloway discovered the Cave Painting... so it was Earth... but doh... the movie is shot on Earth so you could say LV-233 was Earth lol...

But Ridley said that its DOES NOT have to be Earth, it could be any place in the Galaxy and all that Scene was meant to show was that the Engineers Seed Life on Worlds, which could mean many Worlds and while they can create Life in other ways... the Sacrificial Scene was just the Way they Choose to do so..

"And I expect the Crew of the Covenant to find a God machine."

Interesting and yes its one think i pondered about and Actually the idea i was running with when i was working on a Prometheus 2 draft that i abandoned....

I made a post ages ago about God within context of the Franchise and is God just Gods and same as Engineers, or another Race above them but different like Engineers are different to us... is God some other Being rather than a group... and could they be Humanoid or Non-Humanoid... could they be a Magical Energy or Entity... or even a Machine?

Latter Ridley did mention that David and Shaw are meeting beings, and David is bringing Hell with him and what happens if the Goo is used on God? or a Machine... which could mean does he use it on himself? or is God a Machine?

I think a very Giger inspired Machine could work.... a lot of HR Gigers work fits in with this, and his idea for the Derelict and how the Eggs came to be pointed at some Bio-Mechanical Machinery creates the Eggs...

So yes that could work.... is this what we shall see... we just dont know but latest comments over the last year seems to point to that not being the Case... God is not a Machine... but that does not mean that a Machine can not be what God uses to create Life or Engineers etc.

Oh dear oh dear Enoch333 ;)

What have you gone and done now...... ok well i think these have been covered in different Topics but save us finding them and while this Topic is about leaks i was given that seemed to add up but now maybe not since the U-Turn there could be no way to prove if these where True unless the next few movies include what was said... or unless a Draft from the Paglen/Green version comes to light for us to read.

So why not discus the connections you made.... where the Hell to Start lol

First... whats not been done before... SATAN in the Imagine.... first we have to remember this Mural is ambigious its about as ambigious as looking at clouds and so people will see what ever they want to see and so each person will find things that others wont... only HR Giger knows the real deal here and if there are hidden things...  The things that do stand out that can not be debated are  Deacon/Xeno type Creature in Sacrificial Cruciform Pose, Two Face Hugged Humanoids with Two Different Face Hugers (other 2 unused 1979 Face Huger Concepts)  the other paterns and shapes can be anything... but we see Two Derformed Humanoids that seem to not be developed like the fail Clones in Alien Resurection.

So i will start on you Satan... and i never looked at it like that and yes indeed it can look like that in the way you have designed it.... so what we have is a Horned Demon Looking Face with Two Horns comming from the Jaw too and i have seen depictions of the Devil in a similar way...  and we have the Deacon Mural well Xeno type creature comming from the are of this Devils Nose/Mouth.... how and why?  Assuming your onto something?

Well if we look at Zeus, and the Birth of Athena  she was born fully formed and Armoured frmo out of his Head... She was Zeus' favourite child and allowed to use his Thunderbolts.... she is the embodyment of Arts, Literature, Intelligence, and Reason these are things that Prometheus had given onto Man also.... but what she really Stood for was PURITY.... which is what Ash admired the Xenomorph for..

Can we say that Athena is connected to the Deacon? And that the image shows the Deacon being Born from God/Devils Mouth?  Who knows.

The Angelic Creature in the same image you highlighted..... its hard to make out but i can see like a Buterfly or a Wasp myself... as i said its like looking at a cloud.... but when i look at the what you call hands part then yes i kind of can see as if something is holding what looks like  a Egg to me... which the one Fresco depicts.... I cant really comment on the Mural Winged Creature as well ita ambigious and could be nothing or something else.. as is the Cloud Like Abiguity of the Mural.

I again agree with you, I only wanted to share with you my observations...
And what about the creature on the top? :)

That isnt too ambiguous... :)