Prometheus 2 plot, possible just speculation not FACT

seems like they also will need to explain what happened "2000 years ago" and make it cool (without offending any religion of course!)

that has to have some significance.

I really hope they dont do another "time travel" movie. That has really been worn out, unless they can really reinvent that whole concept, much like The Walking Dead revitalized the tired old Romero Zombies

BIGDAVE - This is extremely interesting! I greatly enjoy the way in which you have described some of the possible elements that could show up in the next film! Thank you ever so much for taking the time to share this with us! :)

I am interested with Weyland not being the first company to make that trip!!!

i'd like to see detail of the Orray, and learn more about what the Engineers' business is all over the galaxy

Im sure we all have a list of what we want to see, certainly think some more clues would be good... but we cant be sure of if we would get that.

The person said also but i did not catch all of it that the movie has in principle been planned out for a while ago but was put on hold because of other commitments to cast members they want to cast and also some other work Ridley was working on...  And that the movie has since then gone through a few  changes of ideas as Ridley who is someone spontaneous and can after Drafts was done, come up with few tweeks and changes.

I guess while the movie was on hold, he may have had a few ideas pop into his head over time and so changes could have been made, this spontaneous nature could explain why some Scenes in Prometheus was re-shot with Scenes that was never part of the Shooting Script.

So all hints are that the broad ideas have been thought of for some time.

The person also said Ridley would be working with many of the team who worked on Prometheus and some ideas that never made it could be added to this new movie.. Forgot that point and also that the Budget would be 50% more and seems this could be Ridleys Pet Project....

Again this could all be complete fabrication and i guess i am going to take it as such for now, as some things sound a bit odd to me..

For instance 8) that Prometheus was not the first mission to that system, could they had been mistaken and mean that Prometheus is not the only mission to LV 223?  Or indeed that a mission had been sent out prior to Promethues...?

Who knows, be interesting to see how they can explain that one, unless its a probe of some kind?

Did seem that no one knew what they would be in for.... but then could David had? But he did seem facinated by what he found... maybe we have to ask would Weyland risk the journey on a whim and off chance that there may be nothing, did the company kind of know there may be something? 

I am sure the Weyland Viral site sugested the company was aware of a signal of Alien origin from LV 426 so maybe that was enough to convince Weyland its more than coincidence.

5) Two Monsters, one new... i know Ridley said there would be a New Monster....  we have to assume was that something to do with Paradise or what David is carrying?

Thats what i would have been led to, but with the rumour other week about indeed a mission back to LV 223 could mean maybe our new Monster is there and leaves David and Shaw to find God and not Alien related shenanigans.

But it would be interesting to find out what happened to the Deacon and Hammerpedes and we have to remember even if we assume that the Urns in that temple, have split all of its Goo and the stuff is now ineffective, and the Urns from the crashed Juggernaught likewise....

Even if we dont include the Deacon and Hammerpedes, there seems to be more Temples, and David said there are many more Ships, which means more than one more and with Ridley saying David is bringing Hell with him and what if the Goo infected God or a Machine..

This would assume the ship he and Shaw are on, had a cargo of Black Goo, if this does then we could assume the many more ships also have Urns on them..

So the potential for new Monsters is massive due to the nature of the Black Goo.

BIGDAVE - That is very exceiting news! If the budget increase happens to be true, that could provide for an incredible amount of added detail that would lend the next film a vast array of visual possibilities! Thank you so much for making us aware of this (hopefully true) information! Please, continue to keep us updated! :)

I would also be interested regarding the Star Beast connection, and what is not borrowed from that in terms of Engineers and Xeno etc connections?

Prometheus kind of borrowed the Urns maybe from Star Beast and Mural and Temple, and it also borrowed the Trillobite as this Squidlike Face Huger is actualy not far off what Star Beast Description of its Face Huger was...

What else could there had been that not used? The Life Cycle was used in Alien and changed in appearence only... so cant be that.

The movie showed us Sacrifice and the Mural has Bald Heading Humanoids with two kind of Face Hugers that was the other two Giger Designs that never used....  i think this is where Spaights draft borrowed idea of them creating 8 different kinds of Xeno...

The only thing i can thus think of really is the Giant Beings in Star Beast did not create the Star Beast, they was transporting the Leathery Urns to their Derelict Ship..... these Giant Beings evolved into our Space Jockey.. so could it be saying the Engineers did not create the Xeno or the Original Organism that it came from?

Or could it be the Temple was described as being built by a Ancient Race that used the Star Beast Organism for some ritual purpose where they used another Organism for the Sacrifices?

Could this mean the Engineers was created for being Hosts?

I just dont know, be interesting to discover more of the goings on with LV 223 and how they can connect it to LV 426 and i dont think they would tell the Space Jockey Story, so how else can they do that unless it shows us more clues as to the Urns and Egg connection?

Well i would not get too excited for now, this was the day after April Fools, and for all i know the person could be telling porkies, he is a bit of a geek and Alien fan boy who actually thought Prometheus sucked..... but this guy is one who told me, he heard it off someone else who has inside knowledge...

Well thats easy to say, and with these kinds of hersay only time would prove it to be somewhat Factual or complete fabrication...

Also its quite easy to maybe draw some conjecture based on what we know so far...

We know for sure the movie will be made, we know it has gone through a lot of changes, we know that Shaw and David find the Engineers Homeworld, we know  Ridley said they wont find God but some nasty SOBS as he said they basically are not Benevolent...

We know Ridley said he did not want to meet God in the first movie and so that means the Engineers are not God and something else is higher up on that lader.

We know Ridley said they would be introducing a new Monster that would be different to the Dragons of the Franchise and Deacon but would be a fresher take on the Original...  Recon Ridley is going to create a new Alien that will follow the Life Cycle he intended i,e not how Aliens evolved it.

We had rumour of more than one David and now a greedy company that wants to send a mission to recover what ever it can from LV 223....

so yes based on those things its easy to come up with some points, and so i guess anyone could do so..... 

If they go to LV 223 they are bound to run into some trouble, they cant simply find Engineer Technology and Sucsessfully take it to Earth, else why persue the Xeno after Alien? etc..

A lot of stuff was known from the Comics, as Dark Horse said they calibrated with Ridley and Fox as they did not want to step on any toes, but then found out they was essentially the same toes... this shows some ideas of the Goo and LV 223 in the comics are what Ridley and Fox had in mind for those matters, this does not mean they would ever show us that on screen.

So there are a lot of clues that could easily allow someone to use conjecture to semi-fabricate stuff....

I would also think its pretty safe to assume the Budget  would been bigger, but 50% that takes it to what $180M mark?  The new Star Wars movie is $200M and thats huge movie..

So a 50% increase would mean a Star Trek into the Darkness Budget and to be fair i dont think that movie is a huge as Star Wars would be....  And so Budget does not sugest how big a movie could be..... Like the New Terminator Movies Budget is similar to say Pacific Rims and would i say that is as big a A List movie?

I guess its how serious is Fox about this movie?  Seems Ridley will be working on it instead of Blade Runner, so it guess its up there on Fox's Agenda.... I would assume however a more realistic Budget of $150 mark.... than a 50% increase.

so yeah some stuff sounds fishy to me, but thought i pass it on as even if this person does not know anyone in the know, some of the things are same as what is kind of known and some is some speculative ideas and  they always fun to discus...

AMAZING RUMORS BIG DAVE ,THANKS!

Yes and i would say Rumours.... now if i was the middle man, instead this person i spoke to, so i knew someone who i trusted who had inside knowledge then i could maybe consider it more solid.... but this person is a bit of a Fanboy Geek? not that all of them are. or that Geeks make stuff up, but there is the potential for that, or even if he is telling the truth about what he says, who is to say the person who told him is not making it up?

@ Ancient Alien....

I think your wish would come true for certain...  i am sure not showing how David managed to fly the Juggernaught and not showing us the Orrey and its Star Map again would be a missed opportunity..

The same goes with the Cryo Pods and if Shaw goes in one....

In the ideas i had for Paradise, i had a scene showing us that, David then wishes Shaw Sweet Dreams and a pleasant journey, after that Shaw is at Davids Whim... my draft ideas then had Shaw having dreams, but not in a way that David can read them, maybe i could evolved it that way if he had that visor on him.... but i also had it that David had dreams and well flash backs and he also start to have psychological problems like Donny Darko and Frank... only Davids Frank is Guy Pearce lol...

It would be great to see such things in the sequel as the dream scenes did add some of the pacing and themes behind Shaws Questions and Faith... and also they wanted to show David watching Weylands Dreams and talking with him in them and Weyland was Young in these dreams.....

yes yes Big Dave thats good! We also need to see David (or Davids) go absolutely nuts, because he's the first of those Ash and Bishop robots right?!

I'm glad to hear this movie is even going to be made. 

Thanks for the inside scoop Big Dave! I'll take it for what it's worth- Inspiration and Hope!

The other interesting thing is Alien was hugely influenced by star Wars back in 77- 79, and now these two franchises are at it again back to back! I think good ol competition will raise the bar for sure! And Prometheus came out before Gravity scored huge box office, and then we had Interstellar, and those last two Tom Cruise sci fi flicks that were pretty fucking good... This is all good for sci fi! Exciting times for sure!!!

Well again, this person can not be taken as 100% Fact not at all...

I can give a rundown about what Prometheus 2 would be about most likely based on FACTS and a few Substantial Rumours, that does not take into account any of those  points i made from a potential leak.... 

So i could give a list of what is more definately what is known..... but no doubt Ridley is playing his cards close to his Chest...

For example... 14) Larger Cast!

Well Prometheus was cast with what? 33 people i think...? there about, even if we only consider the Theatrical Release Cast then that is still 25 cast members...  So can we see more cast members?

Maybe and if they do show a mission to LV 223 would we see a board meeting that organises such a mission?  If we go to a say Weyland Headquarters be that on Earth, a Space Station or even on Mars, then we could catch glimpse of people in the back ground who we dont really see up close, these may even be uncredited cast....

Scenes like this would allow some more cast, and maybe this is what that person is on about as far as unused ideas from Prometheus?  I know the drafts did have a meeting between Shaw and Holloway and Weyland to pitch to them the Star Map etc... this was set orbiting Mars, and once version even on a Mars that was being Tera-formed...

This was something they wanted to add but was cut before shooting, maybe some shots of a Mars Base etc could be shown then.. we just dont know for sure.

Ha ha now look what you've done.

Interesting stuff BigDave!

I really hope that the budget is increased. James Cameron practically gets a blank check and to spend as much as he wants. It's about time Ridley Scott was given a similar deal. Mind you he does pretty damn well with a smaller budget, every penny is up there on screen, for all to see!

Perhaps an adult Deacon will make an appearance after all, along with another new monster? Having introduced the baby Deacon, I think it would be a shame to not incorporate the adult version into the story, even in some small way.

A second company having visited LV223, pre Prometheus.....Yutani, or, as a cheeky tie in to BladeRunner, how about the Tyrell Corporation? Anyway, someone beating Weyland to the punch sounds pretty interesting. Perhaps they were the catalysts for the unfortunate series of events which befell the Engineers?

The Engineers creators, or Gods, [in name only]....well, as many have speculated, they are most likely something horrendous, something mankind would probably view as evil, alien, unknown and unimaginable. Too monstrous to comprehend, Lovecraftian-Giger beings?

Talking of Giger, I do hope that part about the concept art happens, and the use of some more Star Beast script ideas!

Anywhoo, whatever happens, I'm stoked for the sequel/s!

Lone to answer what you put i think its certain the movie has a larger budget but how much larger, well we may not know for some time but 50% increase is considerble but maybe its not impossible, as the Alien Franchise is one of Fox's biggest assets and seems they have taken a lot of time with planning the movie as it was given the Green Light even before Prometheus came out on DVD so a $180M Budget could be possible, but  i think it would have to be at least $150M

As far as Deacon and LV 223, well if indeed there is another mission to LV 223 then there is the potential to walk into the Deacon or Hammerpedes.... if not we certainly have to see some kind of contamination with the Goo.  Unless its purely only Androids that Go and they can be infected.... or unless the only Goo is in that Temple that Prometheus visited and its all but dried up by the time a LV 223 mission goes...

But what a boring plot that would make if they simply just find empty Urns with no threat from them or anything that was effected by them prior (Deacon or Hammerpedes) and also to just find a Dead Engineer or Engineers... 

At the very  least they would surely find the Lifeboat and inside we would have the body of the Trillobite and Engineer and that  would give the Company a chance to maybe try to experiment upon them?

As far as Tyrell Corporation, it has been linked with Alien Franchise so who knows, but i am not sure what that person meant by Prometheus is not the only mission that has gone to that system..

Does it mean one before? One sent off around the same time?  a Probe, or does it mean within the context of Prometheus 2 that Prometheus was not the only mission... so could imply a latter one...  i just cant be sure..

And again the stuff that was said can not be taken as 100% fact at all, we shall have to wait and see.  Same as the unused ideas from Star Beast as in regards to connection between the Engineers, their creators and the Xeno?  Who knows and again it could be just fabrication.

But there are some clues left that paints a picture...

I will next do a more FACTUAL list of what Prometheus Part 2 could contain...

OK So here is a list of what is more factual points to the Prometheus Part 2 Plot!

1) David and Shaw definately make it to another world, and most certainly could be the Engineers Homeworld, or at very least some other destination David wants to take us.

2) They will ecounter some beings related to the Engineers, and may even find Engineers but what ever they do find, are not nice beings at all and far from Benevolent.

3) They must also encounter another being, or race or something that is above the Engineers in the Hierarchy. As our Engineers are not Gods and the first movie did not Show God, but the 2nd could show us God, but not a God in the traditional sense.

4) Shaw will not get the answers she was hopping for, and what she hopped to acheive and find out when she had got Weyland to Fund a Mission to LV 223, will now turn into something horrific and that what they find could be more closer to the Devil and Fallen Angels. They hopped to find Paradise but would instead find more like Hell.

5) Davids head will be attached, and he would be able to function near as normal, Shaw is persauded by David and David is able to fly the Engineers ship and pilot it to Paradise.

6) The Juggernaught that they have taken does carry Biological Weapons, the same as what the one in Prometheus destined for Earth does... It will be carrying the Black Goo.

7) We will see the effects of the Black Goo unleashed and this would be at the hands of David himself, he is bringing Hell with him and we could see what effects this stuff has on God or Machine!

8) There will be a new kind of monster unleashed one that is different to those we see in the Alien Franchise and also the Deacon, but something that is a more fresher take on the Original Monster.... quite how or what form that would take is unknown but it could most likely be the result of what David unleashes upon the beings he finds. 

Or maybe himself?

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The above are FACT!  they are based from what Ridley said and i can find the exact qoutes that leads to the information above.

Now these Points below... are kind of Factual, but should be taken as not 100% Fact.

9) The events of Prometheus 2 in some part will provide us with a link to the Xenomorph or at very least some connection between LV 223 and LV 426 as the movie will have some links to Niel Kompkamps Alien 5 movie....  some things in his movie had to be changed, this is mainly around one Plot device or Thing, that in Alien 5 would conflict with a similar Thing and Connection that Prometheus 2 will show us.

10) There could well be a mission to one of the LV 223/426 worlds that will for most part or maybe entirely comprise of Androids.  This could mean more than one David 8 model.  

11) This mission would involve trying to figure out what happened to Prometheus, what posed a threat that killed the crew and what kinds of Technology could be had by the company. Could this mission lead to how the company finds out about the LV 426 signal?

12) By going the route of a mission to either LV 223 or LV 426 the company or at least the crew they send to which ever destination are bound to uncover more clues towards our Engineers and the connection with their experiments on LV 223.

Then we have the below that are assumptions and observations on some of the very last comments made.

13) The movie could be steering away from the Gods Angle as far as connections between Engineers and interaction with mankind and our creation as far as the reasons for it witin context of our Many Ancient Belief System as far as godlike beings who create mankind to worship and serve them and nurture and look after their creation...

They could merely be avoiding such things, or even totally going to show us that such connection is far from the real Agenda.....  No More Gods!

14) They will be steping away from Alien as in the form we know from the Franchise for something fresher so we wont see no Xeno, and maybe no Deacon at all No More Dragons!

But they will have to cover some kind of link between the experiments on LV 223, the Engineers purpose, the purpose of the Urns and Juggernaughts and vaguely get some connection between this lot and the events on LV 223 and what we see in Alien....  This would be done in a way that wont go the route of a Xenomorph fest.....  But Alien 5 will show us more of a Xenomorph fest as well as other connections with the Xenomorph purpose and DNA and Experiments maybe related to LV 223 and LV 426 but some of these had to be changed to not step on the toes for how Ridleys vission for the Goo and Xeno and Engineers and Derelict/Jugernaughts are connected as opposed to the ideas that Kompkamp has as far as evolution and DNA of the Xenomorph!

bigdave 

thanks for sharing

its very well thought out and put together.

ya  

where they go with this is going to be mighty interesting. i dont know if i have anytging to add but i agree completely that:

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shaw will have to reattach davids head - otherwise she is helpless

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there will have to be another story arc. what happens on the jugg alone wont be enough

BIGDAVE - I am extremely interested in seeing what these other beings (the creators of the Engineers) are! I certainly hope they are more in line with the original Space Jockey design we saw in Alien; a more biomechanical organism! That would be fantastic! :)

Who knows.. but i guess something like that could help explain away the size difference to the Space Jockey, which to many still seems 25ft+  when it was actually 15ft .. compared t our Engineers who supposed to be 15ft thats then revised to 10ft for production and well we only get the illusion of a what 8ft odd race.... when actual fact they was 7ft 4" to 7ft 6" but hey did they know some would actually take notice and measure ;)