MEETING GOD

"HELL-O!"'  Agree God is not flesh and blood but if God is spirit...which spirit? First step in affirming what is God is to affirm what God is Not.  I'm not sure about God being a Spirit but definitely he created the Spirit and he can inspire it. After all is turned to dust and crushed in the hell firey chasm of a blackhole, the real true one God will still be there and the souls of the departed...not really ever forgotten or erased. A new flesh to last eternity!

THANATOS_CONTAGION - You have asked an extremely complex question. If God is not flesh and blood, but rather spirit, a "meeting" with this entity could be a matter of transcendence. Perhaps it is a matter of "finding" God - the one connection every living being in the universe shares through the essence that gives their bodies breath. Such an encounter would be beyond revelatory. :)

I agree. God is a spirit. I've felt that spirit. That first sip of coffee in the morning. One teaspoon of sugar and real cream...I even say "Oh God!" :)

DJREES56 - Hahaha! Goofball! ;)

Maybe the spirit of God is in the black goo. It transforms the host to do God will. 

that's what i'm getting at, pulserifle. the black goo is part of the equation for sure.

In context of the movie? Who knows..

On one hand i dont think they was going for the Literal Sense of Gods and Angels... just maybe what Ancient man could have interpreted as Gods... thus they are to a degree Mortal... i think those who created the Engineers are also Mortal.

But Ridley has recently came out with a few things that go against the "no more Gods and Dragons" that is that he pondered if the Engineers are our creators and Forerunners, then what about the creation of Worlds... Worlds that Support Life that have the right conditions, that are the right Goldylocks Zone near the right Sun Etc... he ponders that surely this is not just Accidental.... Ponders that the Big Bang may not be as the theory goes....

Then asks WHERE IS THE BIG GUY? 

This can only mean One Being, Entity, Force, Machine, Program what ever you want to call it but that there is ONE POWER that ranks above all and is responsible for all... In essence GOD!

I he leaving a Red Herring?  Or indeed does he have plans to explore the posibility that there is some POWER which would have to be some what Devine... that is behind the very start of Creation... This is a Very Bold Statement and one maybe they are best off not exploring, but will they?

And is God of Flesh? Or Spirit.... i would say and hope neither....

We have to remember David may want to play God and he may have a Agenda to Transcend himself?

What of Shaw?  She wanted Answers and Ridley did ask as part of Prometheus some Big Questions and one was where do we go when we Die? 

Maybe David indeed finds away for Shaw to be with God and gain Transcendence or so Shaw would think... but in reality he tricks her into it, and what ever happens to her is all part of Davids Agenda...!

I hope they are not going the Curve Ball, Time Travel, Parallel Universe route and show us that its DAVID! who becomes GOD and is GOD

THANATOS_CONTAGION But God is not flesh and blood. God is spirit.

Ruhaniya Agree God is not flesh and blood but if God is spirit...which spirit? First step in affirming what is God is to affirm what God is Not.  I'm not sure about God being a Spirit but definitely he created the Spirit and he can inspire it...

God was flesh and blood and he is also spirit. God himself is a Trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit. The Father is spirit, sheer being. Jesus was spirit made flesh and blood. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God. 

"For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." John 4:24 NLT Another translation says: "God is sheer being itself—Spirit." John 4:24 MSG

"The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God, in readiness for God from day one. Everything was created through him; nothing—not one thing!—came into being without him. What came into existence was Life, and the Life was Light to live by.The Life-Light blazed out of the darkness; the darkness couldn’t put it out." John 1:1-5 MSG 

"The Life-Light was the real thing: Every person entering Life he brings into Light. He was in the world, the world was there through him, and yet the world didn’t even notice. He came to his own people, but they didn’t want him. But whoever did want him, who believed he was who he claimed and would do what he said, He made to be their true selves, their child-of-God selves. These are the God-begotten, not blood-begotten, not flesh-begotten, not sex-begotten. The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, the one-of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, Generous inside and out, true from start to finish." John 1: 9-14 MSG

"Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross." Phil 2:6-8 NLT

 

Ruhaniya Agree God is not flesh and blood but if God is spirit...which spirit? First step in affirming what is God is to affirm what God is Not.  I'm not sure about God being a Spirit but definitely he created the Spirit and he can inspire it. After all is turned to dust the real true one God will still be there. (emphasis mine) The question is What if your euphoric meeting with God was really a computer algorithm created by the devil pretending it was God? Heaven Forbid!  after death, you had cryogenically frozen your brain and it was hooked up to Hal 3000 in the future.  If I meet God I'm going to ask him about Xenomorphs....are they the sons of Adam roasted in Hell after a long time.

After everything burns away only the imperishable will remain. Jesus is the Word and will never pass away. He existed with God and IS God. Jesus is no longer flesh and blood but flesh and bone in a glorfied body. Though his body is designed with eternity in mind.

The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man. 1 Cor 15:46-49 NIV

I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Cor 15:50 ESV

For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form. Col 2:9

See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have. Luke 24:39 ESV

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10 NKJV

The stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. Mark 13:25 NIV

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matt 24:35 NIV

Of old You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded. Psalm 102:25-26

Your word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens. Psalm 119:89

Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail. Isaiah 51:6

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:18

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10

 

Something Real THANATOS_CONTAGION - You have asked an extremely complex question. If God is not flesh and blood, but rather spirit, a "meeting" with this entity could be a matter of transcendence. Perhaps it is a matter of "finding" God - the one connection every living being in the universe shares through the essence that gives their bodies breath. Such an encounter would be beyond revelatory (emphasis mine).

We do indeed have the breath of God inside of us. His ways are beyond understanding. But we can relate to Jesus. the man who is fully God and fully man.

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Gen 2:7 NIV

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9 NIV

How great is God—beyond our understanding! The number of his years is past finding out. Job 36:26 NIV

Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. ECC 12:7 NASB

Thus says God the LORD, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it, Isaiah 42:5

Then God said, “I’m not going to breathe life into men and women endlessly... Gen 6:3

If we seek God we will find him but what is seeking? Is it a longing for the divine? We all have a longing for immortality and "...he has put eternity into man’s heart..." Ecc 3:11 ESV. It is true that his breath sustains us ("I am not going to breathe life into men endlessly" Gen 6:3) and gives us life but how do we encounter him? We see him through his Son (Jesus). We encounter him through his word (the Bible). Encountering God does not require transcendence. We see the invisible God in the visible Son. The Word was made flesh and he walked among us. Though it is true we cannot comprehend him ("God's voice thunders in marvelous ways; he does great things beyond our understanding Job 37:5 NIV. "God's voice is glorious in the thunder. We can't even imagine the greatness of his power." Job 37:5 NLT). @Something Real if you meant encountering the Father in person that would be beyond revelatory and transcend our understanding. We can speak with God face to face if he decides to speak to us that way but NOT in the fullness of his glory or we would die (Exodus 33:12-23).

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. Matt 7:7-8

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." Col 1:15 NIV.

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account." Heb 4:12-13 NIV 

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16

"Even if it was written in Scripture long ago, you can be sure it’s written for us. God wants the combination of his steady, constant calling and warm, personal counsel in Scripture to come to characterize us, keeping us alert for whatever he will do next." Romans 15:4 MSG

 

pulserifle187 Maybe the spirit of God is in the black goo (emphasis mine). It transforms the host to do God will. 

Not to be blasphemous but in keeping with the Prometheus universe (and this forum) it has been hinted that an Engineer was crucifed by mankind. Was this crucified Engineer's blood the black goo? Was someone killed before and his blood became the goo that the Elder's used to create things? Did another higher race kill one of their own or a savior to get the goo? Does the goo (blood?) bring salvation? What if everything we thought about this world was wrong? What if our true history and our true story is written in the Bible and we are sons of God? (just like humanity is created by the Engineers in Prometheus) Maybe the Engineers were first created by an encounter with the black goo which in turn had been used by the Elder after they rebelled against their creators? Has this goo been passed down through the millennia in many forms and substances and purposes?

Edit: All of my formatting and bold text did not come through. Updated text to speak about encountering God.

dave and sapien, those are two very meaty and excellent responses which will require reflection to respond to adequately. give me a couple of days to mull them over.

PLATO: "The Universe is a living thing (Ancient Greek: Zwon, also translatable to Animal)

ADAM AND EVE:  the fall and the loss of commune with God comes after they eat from the tree with the fruit that contains "the knowledge of good and evil"

ALIEN (1979): 

Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.

Lambert: You admire it.

Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

CORINTHIANS 15:42: "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body"

to be honest i don't know what i'm inferring fully by placing these four quotes together, nor do i claim to, but i think there is a truth with regards to alien that these four quotes side by side point to. if humans were made immortal as the bible says, and satan and the rebelling angels seeked to ruin that, i ofthen wonder whether the universe is indeed a part of a living sensuous organism that feels everything through what we may call 'nature' in all its' varying forms, that the original immortal humans of adam and eve were cells designed to spread and give this organism immortality, and that satan and the rebelling angels are some form of cancer that seek to kill the body. the xenomorph as such occupying a subverted and awful role within such a paradigm. it could well be that the xenomorph is that spread of cancer. it's a lazily speculative idea i suppose, but one i wanted to share nonetheless. angels are also supposedly spiritual bodies according to the old testament.....are our engineers in prometheus spiritual bodies?

DAVID: "mortal after all"

THANATOS_CONTAGION

PLATO: "The Universe is a living thing (Ancient Greek: Zwon, also translatable to Animal)

ADAM AND EVE:  the fall and the loss of commune with God comes after they eat from the tree with the fruit that contains "the knowledge of good and evil"

ALIEN (1979): 

Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.

Lambert: You admire it.

Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

CORINTHIANS 15:42: "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body"

to be honest i don't know what i'm inferring fully by placing these four quotes together, nor do i claim to, but i think there is a truth with regards to alien that these four quotes side by side point to. if humans were made immortal as the bible says, and satan and the rebelling angels seeked to ruin that, i ofthen wonder whether the universe is indeed a part of a living sensuous organism that feels everything through what we may call 'nature' in all its' varying forms, that the original immortal humans of adam and eve were cells designed to spread and give this organism immortality, and that satan and the rebelling angels are some form of cancer that seek to kill the body. the xenomorph as such occupying a subverted and awful role within such a paradigm. it could well be that the xenomorph is that spread of cancer. it's a lazily speculative idea i suppose, but one i wanted to share nonetheless. angels are also supposedly spiritual bodies according to the old testament.....are our engineers in prometheus spiritual bodies?

DAVID: "mortal after all"

THANATOS_CONTAGION I will respond more in depth to your post and to BigDave's but one thing that comes to mind with: Adam eating of the fruit by listening to his wife, who was deceived by Satan, opened the door for sin and death and that has since been passed down by men to their children as Adam being the head (the one who inherited the covenant (promise) of God) was the one who broke the command of God. 1 Corinithians 15:42 says at the resurrection (all will be resurrected regardless if they believe in Jesus or not) that our bodies will be new. They must now be imperishable since perishable (flesh) cannot inherit eternity. This verse talks about our mortal bodies are made perishable after the events in Eden. We were made immoral but are now mortal since the fall and loss of commune with God. All of scripture points to the plan of God and speaks of the one who was, who is, and who is to come again. I do not think the universe is a "living entity" but scripture does say that all of creation is groaning for the day of the Lord. Creation was never intended to be subject to sin and death but Satan deceived humanity and out of free will they chose to seek something outside of God's sphere of protection. What I mean is he provided Paradise and everything for Adam and Eve and because he is love (and also wrath, his character/who he is never changes) he gives us free will. With that free will they decided to eat from the one tree that was forbidden to them. They knew not sin or death or evil. They had everything, everything was perfect and provided for. Yet they chose to disobey his command (his command meant to protect them and keep them safe. Now some will say there should not have been a choice or a tree to begin with but it is NOT freewill if there is no choice) and then they found out what it was like outside of his protection. Sin and death and suffering and this is what we presently experience. Thank God that there is a resurrection of the dead. "It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body." 1 Cor 15:42 If we know his son we will inhereit eternal life as it was meant to be experienced! 

But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor. So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man. I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain. 1 Cor 15:35-58

For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. Rom 8:19-22 ESV

 

Now in the context of the Prometheus universe what if Satan corrupted the Elder/Elders or some other beings that made the Elder race and using his own blood or promising them knowledge of good and evil or promising them immortality he made/seeded the Xenomorph and using the goo the Engineers or other races seek immortaity after the fall of Paradise. What if Adam and Eve's blood or goo had certain properties that carried immorality or genetic abilites to change into certain forms/beings? Now Satan has infused his will into the very fabric of reality and the Xenomorph may be their (Engineers or another race's) attempt to fight back? To fruitlessly try and redeem themselves? Did they reject the One who could save them? Preferring to follow a darker path of the goo. Has Satan put his will into the goo or the Xenomorph to steer them away from salvation and deceive them?

THANATOS_CONTAGION "are our engineers in prometheus spiritual bodies?"  

The Engineers are mortal but what if they lost their spiritual bodies because of the goo and now they are trying to get them back? What if the goo robbed them of their glory and they fell? Eat from every tree/use every goo except for the tree (goo) of knowledge of good and evil/xenomorph.

I am not 100% sure we should be taking the Bible as Literal as far as Prometheus goes... the Franchise is trying to loosely connect what the Bibles broad strokes as far as Creation, Order of Creation (Hierarchy) then Rebelion on multiple levels, the Fall of Man and Gods Angels and Punishment...  and to loosely connect these themes with similar ones in other Religons and Mythos... including the Greeks i.e Prometheus and Titans and the Hierarchy, Rebelions and Fall of Man..

And to loosely find the similarities in these and have Prometheus Franchise explore its own theme based on this in the context to push that these many cultures and religons similarities  are based of a actual events within context to Prometheus/Alien Universe and so to not expect a Literal Deep connections to the Bible... in fact i think we should scrub the Bible but concentrate on what connections Paradise Lost Poem based on parts of the Bible have in connection with the Prometheus Mythos and Greek Gods....

"The Word was first, the Word present to God, God present to the Word. The Word was God"

Indeed Ridley had hinted at something Big, and Grand.... beyond what we had thought about the Alien Universe, despite saying No more Gods!  he has over the last 2 years hinted the Engineers are not Gods... he has hinted that there is some being/force or something that is the GREATER POWER some of his latest comments he sugested that if the Engineers were the Forerunners of Mankind, then what allowed this to be.. and allowed for Worlds to even be able to support life in the first place... its not surely coincidence or accidental but has a purpose... and that something is behind all this.... he refers to how worlds that can support life like Earth are in the right place, right climate and has all the right attributes to create life upon them.... and that Earth is not alone in this, there are many many more places like this and they are not purely Accidental... he brings up the Big Bang and how it may not be as Science thinks it is...

But i dont think he is pushing as far as a Devine Magic Being as the God in the Bible... i think he means there is some Force at work.... as he did say... WHERE IS THE BIG GUY IN ALL OF THIS?  But i dont think we would be seeing a Literal interpretation of God as in the Bible.... but a very Bold, and Clever Twist on this...

Going back to the WORD! "The Word was first"

Maybe this could be the Clue.... but what could the Word be?

The source i had did say the Movies Plot as far as the Engineers and the Hierarchy is very similar to the Matrix Movies Plot..... this puzzled me as to how and what?

But now you mention THE WORD

I hope they are not going the route of the WORD being a Program... (like the Matrix) a Code that becomes the Start of all things......  The source did say that we would see a bit of Jack Paglens writting style and ideas within the movie despite re-write by Micheal Green.... only major Movie Paglen worked on was Transcendence which i guess we can see a connection between that and Matrix and The WORD Funny enough, the last movie that the Source had let leaks about before was Transcendence 10 Months before its release, and 80% of what they said about the Plot was very Accurate..... the same Source said that the leaks given about Prometheus 2 would start to add up come the Fall and especially after November 2015....

So its a case of lets wait and see.

For sure! He ain't no old man with a white beard sitting on his thrown in the clouds!

hahahah black goo! https://youtu.be/BYb73iiTBEA It came from the mighty throne of business

yeah bigdave, i'm with you 100% on this...PLEASE NO MATRIX STUFF. don't get me wrong i like the sci fi stuff with computrs' universe algorithms.....but i much prefer something that is more mysterious and unexpected than that. the only book i like that has computer stuff in it with regards to God and th universe is a maze of dath by philip k dick, and that's more because of the atmosphere of the book than anything else. NO MATRIX STUFF RIDLEY.

Ok just seen all the new stuff on the site and now this thread eeeek my brain has melted...hmm if your talking about god in the real universe no one know if it/he/etc. exists or what it/he/them/they/she/little brown box with a santa hat on is!? I mean what is a spirit even that is unknown lol funny stuff. And yes god could even be everything or physical or nothing... But if we are on about Prometheus then who knows still I think there will be hints of the 'top' god as in the creator of this universe the one people see with white beards for some reason :S ! But what will be the main feature will be the engineers who are kind of our makers I guess with maybe some help and so a god as such then above them will most likely be the elders. And theres talk of a demi god so something above the elders I expect that will be the most interesting thing coming up I reckon but no that wont be the 'creator' level at the top and possibly there being many many levels inbetween as well god above god all the way up...And yes its loosely based on religious historical things even though something like prometheus could actually exist :D .

Anyway probably missed lots of stuff ... need to catch up reading whats happend :P

Anyone want to tell me what the 2 greatest gifts God can give to you? Anyone?

The two greatest gifts God has given you is your own life and a child. (For those who have children)

God lives in each of us spiritually. He's always with you where ever you may go. Our eyes are the windows to the soul. We all see the same things. We see a stop sign it's red with big bold letters STOP in white. We see grass, it's all the same, grass is green. We see the clouds and the big blue sky when it is blue or even when it is thundering and lightning it is black. Even the night time we all can see black with the white flashing stars high above the earth.

People like to say that there is no God. How can that be? Life can't always have existed, it had to come from somewhere.

ok, to clear things up, the parallel i drew between the ash quote in alien and eve eating the fruit and gaining "the knowledge of good and evil" is basically that ash in alien is praising the xenomorph for exactly that which adam and eve had before the fall....amorality (" I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality..") "the knowledge of good and evil" is essentially what we call morality and according to the story of the garden, that causes us to die.

Life could of come about by some astronomicaly rare combination of elements and actions people just find it hard when they see life today. The first life form could have been way more simple. The universe is looking big enough to warrant this idea now there's even strong theories about multiple universes. This idea could also incorporate God making the universe in the beginning of course anyway. I'm open minded I believe it could be anything we just don't know yet (let's face it the bible and other texts have been totally written or at least changed by men so much it's hard to take them seriously). I hope they touch on this at the end point of prometheus and have a nice idea for it. Maybe God is dead or gone in Ridleys dark universe :s ...

The bible has been passed down generation from generation though. It's over 3,500 years old you know. Torah and Judaism helped form Christianity. 

If life always existed, then I suppose that a unborn baby already exists? I don't believe in evolution either. We had a common ancestor but, it wasn't no gorilla or chimpanzee or orangutan. Anyone ever stop to ask was I born a gorilla and were my parents and their parents and their parents etc born as some kind of monkey? No! They were not. 

i'm not quoting stuff from the bible so as to turn this into a worship session by the way....just i see alot of stuff in the alien saga that seems to be directly related to passages within it. also, as for the black goo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eitr

^My apologies. I seen where this is for the Prometheus movie. Lol. My bad. I've been in a verbal war on Twitter with atheists about God so I got a little defensive. Again, I apologize.

Well the thing is NO ONE! knows the Truth.... Its debatable about how old Bible was written and i dont want this to go into a whole Religon thing, because everyones beleafs is their own and really this is about a Movie... so dont take my point bad ;)

But there is no real 100% way to prove of God, unless he Magically apears to us all, but then without getting into a Religious Debate.... Scriptures would sugest even if that happened, it would by some be seen as False... same as if Aliens turned up and said yep we created you... again some would rub it off as False...

So again i am not going to debate on religon, what i am saying now is in ALTERNATIVE Context to the Movie...

Can we prove God? is it a question of Faith, is there more to us than just a living vessel that dies and so we are back to dust.....

Can we prove Evolution or the Big Bang?  as a poster put! "Life could of come about by some astronomicaly rare combination of elements and actions people just find it hard when they see life today"

Well from what i was told the Movies Plot is BIG and BOLD and loosely touches up and connects Religon losely but also other ancient cultures.... and that the Plot is very out there....

Basically what we could be seeing is a way to yes touch upon that there is more to it than Big Bang, Evolution etc... but some GREATER POWER... but not to be caught up in a literal Magical God of the Bible/Koran or other cultures...

But to somehow throw a sinister Curveball.... i think he wished to bridge the gap between Big Bang and Evolution and the Devind Being that is God and bring us something that in part can account for both but in a very bold way.

some of his latest comments had seemed to back up what i was told in March,  back than and after Ridley was saying no More Gods and Dragons... yet my source said this was not the case and indeed it would be very loosely Gods and Dragons and a lot had doubted that... and thought Ridley saying no more Gods and Dragons meant just that.... but his comments the last 3 months have indeed been going very much GODS AND DRAGONS...

One of his latest ones he was on about how there is more to life and all the things we have and do than just Science of it all....

"I tend to bounce from pillar to post, wondering what I'm going to paint next. But this was a call to duty, really, to reexamine and resurrect the Alien, if I could. Its role had been worn out in previous films, but one of the questions that had never been answered was why such a creature would be invented, and by whom. That opens much larger, more universal questions. I've met a lot of scientists who have whet my appetite for the technical possibilities of the future, but I've always wanted to get a group of them together and ask them if they're religious. Because you'd be surprised how many dyed-in-the-wool astrophysicists there are who say that, yes, they believe in God. And I ask them how that relates to the profession of mathematics. Science will say we are random and biological. So if you go further than that, and say you believe in a higher power, are you saying you don't adhere to the scientific plausibility of why, say, you and I can talk on this phone right now? Or is there a much larger connection that we can't grasp yet? For me, that's the biggest question we have left to explore, and that will be the underlying discussion of the next Prometheus film."

This is a very big statement.... but again dont get thinking he is going to give us something that will relate literally to the Bibles God....  i mean how does the Engineers and Xeno fit with that?  Nope he is going to ask this very big Question but throw a Curveball....   much like 2001: A Space Odyssey did but then Prometheus does has similarities with that....

The source said elements of the Plot are very Blade Runner and more so Matrix.... now i think they must mean as far as Bold Plots...

"This is a very big statement.... but again dont get thinking he is going to give us something that will relate literally to the Bibles God....  i mean how does the Engineers and Xeno fit with that?" 

gonna say it again on this. paradise lost....how was paradise lost? satan tricked adam and eve into eating the fruit from the tree of the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. basically, what if we were to substitute that, for the tree of MORALITY, which is what the knowledge of good and evil are. now, lets go back to what ash says about the xenomorph:

"I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.."

there was another thread about the xeno life cycle here..... t

he next sci fi question part relating to the bible: the black goo, whcih seems to react to the presence of sin as others have hypothesised.....what if the xenomorph is a parasite which spiritually adapts to its' host, and not physically? and what if the life process of the xenomorph is that which bridges the paraSITE into paraDISE.....

finally, and i don't know if this has been mentioned before, but has anyone else noticed that the entire environment and weather of planet LV is seemingly affected by the presence and actions of the humans in the temple/base/tomb? 

Lol Ben if the bible you read now has even 40 percent of the original one in it I'll eat my hat pretty sure your copy is not 3500 years old did you say?! http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/06/ancient.bible.online/ check that and that ones 400 years after Jesus and loads was supposed to be changed in the Roman times before that. You only need to use common sense to realise why would so much in these text be so much better for men hmm possibly because they were the ones in power altering it hmm just maybe lol. Ah man you need to read about evolution you seem to know nothing about that either not sure what to say sorry except it means if it didn't exist then every species on the plant just suddenly appeared from no where is that what you think? lol funny stuff.  And who said life always existed lol I said it could of come into existence through a extremely rare situation though more than likely if something made the universe they put all the parts in place so that it would happen that's if it was made of course :) . And yes let's chat about this it's part of prometheus! Maybe if we did have the original bible there wouldnt be a declining interest in religion like we have these days...I wonder...

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1. There's only a decline in religion because of the people themselves. 

2. Torah, and Judaism is a part of the teachings of Christ. Which those two I mentioned formed Christianity.

3. Evolution has never been proven. We can compare skulls of animals and men all day long. Darwin's evolution theory, as acclaimed by many, believe that we evolved from some kind of monkey. 

4. Nothing I said was funny. If you find it funny then go ahead and laugh. 

5. Who said life always existed? Scientists and atheists. 

6. I'm not about to get into another debate with this. 

7. The men of God wrote the bible starting with Moses. Who by the way wrote down the ten commandments as spoke by God himself. 

8. I don't understand evolution because it makes "0" sense. 

can we please not turn this into a bible discussion? if you want to mention the bible fine, but please link it back to the alien/prometheus saga. and stop with the personal insults.

Well you did start what looked like a religious thread if and prometheus is heavily soaked in religious 'stuff' :p . It's just interesting seeing what done people think most of it is critical banta :) . 

1 yes because people know allot more these days they are more intelligent ehem well most...And they see things don't add up in the texts.

2 ok but check that link? Still we have the same problem where is the original texts!

3 oh man you serious :D . You can even see evolution in action watching bacteria mutate under a microscope :O they have greatly speeded up generations. 

4 is more than funny. 

5 what do you mean :O scientist do not think life existed before about 3.7 billion years ago on earth and definitely not anywhere in this universe in the big bang at millions of degrees lol. possibly the first life was 10 or so billion years ago but no one knows of course! They do not think it always existed strange idea you have there. 

6 too late ;p

7 see link again etc.

8 wow ok I believe you now lol that was the most concise argument for anything ever!

Well you did start what looked like a religious thread if and prometheus is heavily soaked in religious 'stuff' :p . It's just interesting seeing what done people think most of it is critical banta :) . 

it was religious only insofar as there's been alot of talk about how in the sequel to prometeheus, shaw would 'meet God' so i was mentioning that with regards to start an intresting discussion about how such a meeting would possibly be depicted in alien: covenant. nothing more, nothing less. i most certainly didn't want to start a debate on evolution. if you feel it's relevant to the thread and movie, then relate what you're saying back to it.

    No one knows the truth of the universe, and to assume one does is vanity in the extreme. Are there devine powers? That is a question that has plagued mankind since his inception. If we look at the human brain, it is a vast network of energy which culminates to create a living mind. If we look at the universe, it is a vast network of energy that culminates to create...what? Life. Additionally, it is not beyond the scope of possibility that the universe is a living system that "thinks" and "feels". I do not know if the gods and goddesses presented within religious teachings are accurate. However, I do know that the intellectually honest should never disregard the possibility of something's existence simply because it is not visible. I have seen how love moves others, but I can not actually see or measure it. I have seen how hatred and foolishness cause men and women alike to commit terrible acts, yet I am incapable of touching either of those things. I have seen how cyberspace - an insubstantial and completely intellectual construct made up of thousands of connected minds - moves and flows like a living thing, still I can not actually see or touch it; I can only interact with it and see its effects.

    To search for the divine is the search for what is fundamentally life - an unknown force that gives all living things breath and the ability to exist. I can not see or touch the very basic essence that allows life to exist, but I can certainly see that it exists.

Yep real..Just in case you miss understood I am not saying God doesn't exist or that the bible definitely wasn't written originally by the 'creator' and science quiet often does not say God can't be part of the equations. I am an open minded in the middle type person but the problem comes when we start talking about what we do have evidence for like evolution and the bible...mountains of evidence that all point in one direction :) . 

This is totally linked to prometheus I mean what do you think it's all about! Pretty sure we will see our creators and maybe their creators maybe all the way up to the creator of this universe. At least I'm hoping...Maybe this will point out how crazy it is thinking we are the only ones here and God made us in 7 days the devil made fossils and God can't stop him type stuff lol...