What Weyland-Yutani Know About The Black Goo!

@Lone.

Thank you for this most interesting share it bares on the importance of the 10 years which allows Weyland Yutani to enter into the story telling with their own very strong theme and how much they know when Covenant leaves earth..  

This bares out my supposition I offered in the  thread concerning Robotics within the hierarchy of  Weyland Yutani. They are aware of the events of LV223 and indeed they may have David's memory bank (unknown to David) linked to the main frame. The covert reason for the mission to Paradise maybe to recover David and his new found secrets in relation to the Accelerant.

I would also argue that my reading of W Y view of the accelerant, which is the same as my hypothesis, then separates out the indigested material shown in the sacrificial scene by the creator gardner Engineer. That is a benign catalyser which creates and evokes new life on a planet by breaking down and re organising raw matter and introduces the civilising Engineer strain leading to for  instance mankind quite separate from the Black Goo which re organises and generates the overstimulated (Hammerpede, Fifield, Holloway) and in the right combination the Deacon.        

From the observations of David 8 and REDACTED......

Now, who could David have been collating information with. This suggests someone else was observing his analysis of the Goo!

To me it suggests either another android amongst the crew members, that we don't know about?

Or, David was in contact with/being observed by Weyland-Yutani Scientists/Synthetics back home.  

'COMPANY NOTE Redacted information regarding the sentient life-form known as the Engineers and additional material gathered after Doctor Elizabeth Shaw’s last officially recorded transmission is restricted to an S1 clearance. Information collected from uploads of USCSS Prometheus’s mainframe to net".

@ Lone would this paragraph not reinforce the notion that after Shaws transmission that data was still flowing back to the company either knowingly or unknowingly from David. David's relationship with WT may be conspiratorial or clandestine but if he is in communication with other robotics in the company he may have received a directive to "save" Shaw. The first intent may have been to fly a juggernaut to earth with the Black Goo, that was David's first suggestion to Shaw but David may have concluded that he would enter into a "Covenant" with Shaw to fly to Paradise knowing that his "redacted" companion would be able to monitor their journey. The redacted companion maybe David 9. Indeed David 9 and 8 maybe working outside of W Y remit or the non robotic part of the hierarchy. 

Thank you Michelle!

I think you are absolutely spot on about the main aim of the Covenant mission being to find David and as per usual the unsuspecting humans will be pawns and fodder for David's experiments!

...and the difference between the pure gardner Engineer accelerant and the black goo accelerant is that it contains MORB DNA. 

.....pure gold Michelle, and David 9 will be on board the Covenant!

You have given us the main plot line!

Bravo!

David is a walking machine. Feedback, technical information from his memory system can in theory send information back to the Weyland labs to make sure the AI's are functioning well and receive information. It be the way Weyland-Yutani knows where their property is and to keep tabs on the various missions that are on going. Or perhaps David cut the cord and has gone rogue....

There could've been a Yutani starship in orbit around LV233, arriving just after the Prometheus...A spy ship, in full communication with David 8? Unable to match the speed of the Juggernaut as it heads for Paradise........Yutani has to regroup and send a mission to recover David 8.

Yutani are explorers? Unconcerned with black goo or dead aliens? Maybe they are looking for the real deal....Gods.

Weyland: Find alien artifacts, sell to military for big bucks.

Yutani: Find living aliens and their Gods.

I don't know if Yutani was hanging around there just yet... I am beginning to believe that, yes, Yutani knew about the mission and one of the events leading up to/causing merging with Weyland, but I don't know if Yutani was really hanging around and in contact with David especially.  

LONE!

This is awesome, thank you for posting and forgive me as I ramble. I so enjoyed this and so wanted to reply that I've stopped everything and poured a glass of Shiraz.

That scene of David's finger is another of my favorites, it's a message unto itself, a heightening of attention. In Gavin's thread exploring the parallels between ID4 and War of the Worlds, I complained about an excess of symmetrical framing, but honestly it was more just that scene of the White House being destroyed, and the artificiality of it, which was exacerbated by the composition.

There's plenty of symmetry in Prometheus, but it reads more as a Kubrickian homage than laziness (my interpretation). Another significant parallel is the star maps, this time being between Prometheus (heretofore known as P) and Alien (heretofore known as A).

Like so much of P, there was little exposition, in this case about the maps. The story gave us the truth about them, that they were, like the beacon on LV426, a warning that we blindly responded to. No one came right out and said it, it was just there.

When you think about it, even the music quite cleverly clued us in, this sort of haunted optimism overlaid with celestial doom. I think several story beats from A were woven in, to sort of intellectually get us on board.

The information you've posted is really interesting, especially the redacted parts. I wondered about what the Liquid would do if exposed to bacterial life. I imagined that the Engineer (or Space Jockey) homeworld might, out of necessity, be sterilized due to exposure to the Liquid. A dead world, until an asteroid bearing bacterial or viral life struck an ocean tainted with MORB juice. What happens then? What new nightmares are spawned?

I know many are unimpressed by the ideas in P, but to me, the possibilities are infinite now. It's possible peeps will see it differently soon. The Liquid is genius, it's MORB juice! An interstellar buffet of biological nightmares. Poor humans.

I've always felt Prometheus was the lighting of a fuse. Oh, I hope I hope I hope.

The 'redacted' may not be touched upon in the new film. WYR was written back in 2013, prior to a sequel script being completed, and long before it became Alien: Covenant.

I like how it was used here and there to indicate there's more things going on that are above your security level.

To all-

I kinda figured Yutani followed the Prometheus and observed it's fate from orbit. I also imagined Yutani could have their own Synthetic secretly tasked with finding, debriefing and finally destroying David, along with collecting 'samples'.

I also imagined Vickers actually survived, because the Juggernaut was  still somewhat functional and actually near weightless when it rolled onto her. I imagined a lot of things.

Ok I'm done.

How was it weightless?

LONE - This is extremely compelling and thought-provoking! I greatly enjoy these discussions! :)

@S.M.-

Just the way it rose into the sky. And then slowly fell to ground. I felt it had made itself weightless, to clear the planet it had departed, and was still somewhat weightless when it landed on our doomed astronauts.

I imagined a Yutani Synthetic would reactivate it and it would abruptly sink several meters into the ground.

What about the big impacts when it the ground? Or cracking Shaw's mask?

Thanks to everyone for the replies, they make excellent reading!

@Aorta Glad you enjoyed this and what an awesome reply!

The more time passes the more I appreciate PROMETHEUS. It even lends more depth to ALIEN, not that Alien needs it, but as you say, it certainly compliments the hints that are there!

LONE - Umm...having inspected the image of David's finger holding the droplet, I have noticed that it bears a Wetland-Yutani emblem. Is that an aspect that has already been pointed out and discussed? :)

Yes, it has been discussed in the past Something Real!

Isn't it just an amazing image and idea? David uses his imprinted finger to start up the ships computer and systems after the Prometheus reaches destination threshold.

A search should take you to any of the previous discussions on that topic! 

@Something-

It's all good the discussion goes on and on. Yes that is a Weyland logo imprinted on David's finger. In their eyes, he's a product. 

@S.M.-

Good point. Let's say maybe not weightless, but not nearly as heavy as one would imagine. The thing was crippled when it came down, but maybe not dead yet. I mean, come on. It should have pulverized Shaw. 

I'm just thinking maybe Ridley and co. left a lot of story lines open. That there's as much to be read into what didn't happen as to what did. You can't put it past these people, that's part of the fun.

Edit: The Juggernaut striking the ground was this weird, gigantic 'Alice in Wonderland' moment, an epic tumor falling from the sky. It should have thrown our astronauts off their feet, but it just rolled on top of them.

It had to weigh a LOT, but even when it came down around Shaw there was little disturbance. I highly doubt all the incredibly talented minds behind the movie failed to register this. I think it was a message unto itself, an open storyline at the least.

LONE and AORTA - How excellent! Yes; it is an astonishingly simple yet remarkably complex image! I greatly enjoy the sense of organic vs. inorganic and the underlying notion that it is the corporation causing the grievances that are about to ensue! I never noticed that aspect in the image until this topic was created! Thank you ever so much! :)

they Know

Yutani ? Wayland venture.....P R O B E S ! Like This?

Question is who is probing who?

Exploration of space by future space corporations would be extensive, Robots would be the first to find any Alien habitation on other worlds. These robots would be sent deep into space leaving satellites behind them to help transmission of information. They would also be faced with an ever expanding space between home and the Monitoring of that expanse.  They knew of the signal from LV 426  decades before they sent Prometheus.  Why not send it to LV 426 first?  Well they sent probes first to LV 426.  Something happened there! I speculate that the signal from the derelict was directed at LV 423.  Prometheus was the first to arrive here?  If the military finds out about that GOD! there is going to be some kind of reaction! What I find odd about the Engineers is they all look the same...they are Humanoid but not totally human. Were they engineered first? We know they have Human DNA but what about the rest?  Somehow I think the goo has something to do with that but who really made it?  I also think there could be a connection to the Green crystals and the green goo...one which might mean that the god can affect more than just organic material and DNA.  How did they make those structures? and the gradual difference between the Juggernaut and the tunnels connecting to the Temple.  The canisters are also subject to transformation?

@AORTA

When it came down around Shaw, she was right under the end of hammerhead prong, it was at the end of its fall and hit a rock, which is ultimately what saved her.  If she'd been further under the prong more towards the base she would've been crushed like Vickers.

@Lone; thank you so much for sharing this info with us. I asked the question because of that image of Davids finger holding the goo with the, what looks like, infected DNA, really got my attention. I will probably purchase the book eventually, but unfortunately at the moment I'm skint.

If we do take this book as canon, then we have been given even more questions to think about.

"the Engineers’ hold was clearly full of something toxic to mammalian life, to human life."

What could this mean?

As the Goo/Accelerant been tainted by something toxic?

Was it not intended to evolve us but intended to evolve some other organism?  

And this part is really interesting; "They say that a case could easily be made for the Engineers being our brothers rather than our makers."

Assuming that the Company are correct in their summation, what could this mean?

Is it possible that the engineers are in fact the Nephalim? Maybe the Elders went to the daughters of man and had children with them and those children were known at the time as the Nephalim. Then thousands of years later, Shaw would address them by another name The Engineers?

Or, could it mean that the engineers were created by the Elders (or some other beings) on a planet somewhere else in the cosmos, in the same way we were created?

@S.M Welcome to the forum!

Given the Juggernaut's massive size one would assume it would weigh an incredible amount. Yet when it hit the ground it barely made an impression. It really should have crushed that rock and Shaw, and sunk into the ground a little. Debris from the Prometheus came showering down all over the place, and yet the Juggernaut appeared to sustain no major damage! 

Aorta makes a very valuable point. We can barely fathom the tech behind these ships, they don't behave in a manner that we would interpret as normal.

You're welcome Necro!

The goo in the Engineers possession is tainted. As AORTA said it's MORB juice! Making it differ from the pure bioform Accelerant we see the Sacrificial Engineer drink.

I think that the Company believe that, just like humans, the Engineers were created too, possibly by the same maker. Thus making them our brothers. 

Though to me, the apparent lack of females would suggest that their creation was as gardener/servants. 

Given the circumstances presented I don't see why it should've crushed the rock at all.The fact it doesn't crush the rock is supported by the fact it seems to make little to no impression in the ground, and vice versa. 

@S.M.-

I'm not insisting it was weightless, just having some fun with the idea. I like to play with little side stories that elevate the weirdness of the already quite weird Prometheus.

I could see Vickers surviving...maybe a broken leg or broken back...pinned between a spar(the ship has plenty of bumps and spaces to keep her from being completely crushed)...then the Deacon finishing her off....Or the Deacon saving her for the Queen?

Vickers spits at the Deacon, attempts to punch it...trying to incite the monster to put her out of her misery.

But the Deacon needs her for a future facehug and to start a family of MORBS.

Anything is possible MonsterZero! ;)

Who knows what the Deacon has been up to in the ten years that have elapsed between Prometheus and Covenant!

Where to start lol

First we have to remember we have no dates, unless Lone can give us any on the information released as this book contains information Gathered from late 21st Century to late 24th.

So the information on the Prometheus Mission we are not 100% when Weyland got his, and if its after the Merger.... but i would ASSUME the book is Canon as far as the series and that Fox collaborated with the Authors.

But it would be logical to assume that David kept logs with everything he was doing, or the company recover David at some point or he informs them at some point, what i am saying is the information could have been gathered in 2093 well sent out, or it could have been gathered on a mission to LV-223 or indeed after that.

But if we assume the company gains as much information as hinted above, including the not shown Redacted information... then it leaves a few Questions to why the company want to pursue the Xenomorph instead of the Engineers Tech...

Perhaps between Alien Covenant 2104 ish and Aliens  2179 maybe there is nothing to salvage from the Engineers apart from the Derelict on LV-426?

I feel this book is mainly a attempt to explain certain things, but its done in a way that is led to us thinking its official information that Weyland-Yutani have recovered, which would mean information could have been picked up from sensors or sent back to Earth.

Maybe a back up of information is stored on the Escape Module the Lifeboat?  That would make sense, and it would appear the Lifeboat CCTV captured something... which would then surely mean the Company would 100% go back to LV-223.

We have to wonder where Yutani come in all of this, and this book does seems to show us the Merger had occurred 5+ years after Prometheus.

I will turn our attention to the Weyland Industries Website, unless Lone can share what the book says?

The Weyland Viral site and videos show that Yutani are in part a communications and IC (integrated circuit)   company and that Weyland ships use Yutani ECU and other communications and that also Yutani could have accessed messages sent between Shaw and Weyland as they (Yutani) could have and most likely have been monitoring such exchanges, and also Yutani could also have programed their ECU and Communications to send back information to Yutani i.e Spyware.

There has to be a reason for Yutani getting into trouble, and i would ASSUME as covered in another topic the other day.... that maybe Yutani a company who has lost Billions to Weyland due to Weyland having a better Monopoly over the Android market. So Yutani find out about the failed Prometheus mission and maybe they know more than Weyland HQ and so they then send their own Costly mission to LV-223 and after this, the company are broke and a Merger is Forced... what would Weyland gain?  the mountains of knowledge maybe Yutani uncovered.

@Lone

I have my book on order as of today ;)

Wow what information, i would assume Fox and the Authors had talked about what is going into the book and Redacted parts are what they cant reveal as the next few movies are to cover these.

When was this book out?

Checked May 2015 USA but October 2014 French Version

As the information you gave, now does seem to add up to a lot of what the SOURCE had informed me about, now the Source claimed their information they had in February which i was passed in March and posted stuff that never added up a bit to what we thought about Prometheus 2, there was some odd things...

That months latter, Ridley came out with stuff that then added up to the Source, then we got the Alien Covenant name change and Synopsis which seemed a U-Turn on what Ridley had said May-October 2015 and Source in March 2015.....  The Source claimed information was from Greens Final Draft of October 2014.

So this information now, that appears in the book does seem to add up to what the Source said... but the source had this information prior to the May 2015 release of this book....

Does this mean they are actually maybe not lying?  or could they have just got the French Book in October 2014 and translated stuff from it to then give a Plot well clues.... Then again some of the stuff they said i am not sure is in the Book, maybe you could find out.

So going back to one of those points....

The Engineers, and then looking at the Alien Covenant released Slaughter Scene, which some still think is the Covenant Crew or Humans....

Things are adding up now..... as the Source implied a few things...

*Mankind as of now is 4th/5th Generation, and previous Generations had been wiped out.

*Prometheus was not the first time Mankind had been to that System (AD 2093).

*Mankind played a bigger role in the creation of the Xenomorph.

All very odd points.... that now when we read some of the stuff from the Weyland-Yutani Report you posted and those Scenes from Alien Covenant... could actually be what we are seeing..

Mankind is a Evolution of the Engineers? or they are a Evolution of us... but we are connected...  the source also said Humanoid life is not just here on Earth but throughout the Galaxy.

Hi Dave, I still have a ways to go but, so far, other than the date of the merger, there is no other information whatsoever pertaining to reasons for the merger.

The report is purely written in terms of known MORB biology from each encounter and a want to exploit this further.

See, that's what I don't quite understand either. Why do they still want the MORB when they can have the black goo Accelerant?

Yes, David and a REDACTED other were analysing the liquid. So information was clearly being sent via David and/or other feeds. Of course all computer entries were also downloaded from the net to the company.

Michelle and David 007 brought up the question of whether David was carrying out Weyland's orders or pursuing his own agenda, sending info to another David [9] or perhaps having gone rogue?

My interest, other than the obvious one, is try to and understand how you construct a well structured narrative for A C through which a number of questions are answered.  

We know Prom 2 had three elements including Shaw/David and given the original script writers movies which dealt with a core transformative experience both flopped I think the elliptical, characters come into a narrative will be replaced by a narrative driven by characters. So I think David 9 might mediate the what Weyland- Yutani know about the Black Goo and LV223. It could be another company android but that has less drama for David 8. The doppelgänger idea plays into a David 9 and the crew subsequently not knowing for a crucial phase who they are actually dealing with.

The reason I say all of this is other than a mysterious wordless positioning prologue I cannot see another vessel being up there on a clandestine spying machine. The article already refers to Prometheus logs post Shaw which may have the equivalent of a black box retrieval mechanism .     

Dialogue in the wake up phase of the Covenant could explain the merger in fact it could be explained by some tension within the crew who come from the separate elements through gossip.  I do not think the movie needs to be slowed down to explain the merger real time or the black goo intel both can be made clear as the narrative develops and we come to know the make up of the crew and there various motivations.

Weyland Yutani and David 8 are very interested in the Black Goo thats where I see the drama coming from, inside that triangulated relationship, not subsets of the details and it also lays the foundation for the answer to the big one.    

From the point of view of the report it's all being deliberately kept secret as to what exactly Yutani are up to and what their remit is. 

I feel Ridley could address that issue at some point. I have always had the feeling that there was a Yutani spy on board the Prometheus, but I could be way off base on that!

Yes indeed, regardless of if David gone rogue or not, there is someone else who has studied the findings...

If it is not a David 9 from Alien Covenant, (assuming there is a David 9 or David 8).  Then i think its more than a case of information from David during Prometheus being received..

There is information post Prometheus, and post Shaws SOS perhaps?  Questions would need to be asked like.

*Did David just regularly update the company or just Prometheus Mainframe?

*Where did Shaw make her SOS?

Surely they cant send information like that from the Juggernaught? But who knows.

*How much information was sent, and how much did Weyland get, and how much did Yutani intercept?

*Is there a mission to LV-223 where the Redacted was able to study the Goo and was this Redacted part of a Yutani mission or Weyland?

*Was the Redacted someone or Android on the Covenant?

I think a lot of of things have been put in a way so that nothing spoils the next few movies, or that the Authors where told things they cant cover because the next movies would cover them but they had not passed onto the Authors what these things could be.

This is going to be like collecting the X-Men Box Set, or Fast and Furious or Star Wars.... when you think you have it all..... they would release a new set out with more added..

But i will still order this, got a copy on order i just hope the Special Edition only has the Fancy Cover thats different.

But i know after Alien Covenant and Alien 5 and another Alien Prequel or two and Alien 6... that they may bring out another Book that can finally cover the lot...

But i cant wait that long so i will get this... and then the other one when it comes out after the Franchise dots have been connected..

Why i never got the Prometheus to Alien Resurrection limited edition box set lol I have the Alien and Predators complete boxset (prior to Predators) and so i am waiting for a complete Alien Prequel to be finished and Alien 5 and maybe a sequel before i get a box set...

Then by the time that comes out, you watch Fox plan a Alien 7 and a Engineers Spin off lol

Spy Lone?  or Spyware...

From the Prometheus Blu-Ray.

" recording #1. Quiet Eye: Elizabeth Shaw, Weyland tells us that they picked up a transmission, FROM LV-426!!! "As fate would have it, Shaw and Halloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptibel signal eminating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw and Halloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of interest could actually be the moon LV-426. Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will be programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right. For if the Yutani's new ECIU software is to be trusted, there might be great risk awaiting us on the path to an even greater reward."

@Aorta - Fair enough.

In regards to the Weyland Yutani Report, it was more or less finalised in May 2014. Nothing in it alludes to what might happen in Alien Covenant, because at that point there wasn't such a thing as 'Alien Covenant'.

Yes Michelle  i agree that maybe we dont need the full details of the 10 years that have past, who knows if we will or what clues to that we get.

It did seem the Original Idea was going to show us that timeline... these ideas are something the Weylan-Yutani Report others had known a bit about when working on the book..

But they would have no knowledge of the John Logan changes which where made in the Summer after the Book came out.

The Source did imply a 3 Plot movie, in which Shaw and Davids mission and what happened from LV-223 to Paradise and what they find etc... plays only a small part and Shaw is incapacitated for the most part. But Technically does not die.

But they said there was Two other plots that where more main than Shaw and Davids...  and hints that one of those was about the Engineers Agenda and History and it seemed they was hinting at Flash Backs.. well scenes that was not set post 2093...

The 3rd plot they would not give details on but said was a big part of how things tie in to the Franchise....  This means was it a Plot Post David at Paradise and Shaw being incapacitated or was it something to do with other Human Mission be that Lv-223 or where ever else?

So who knows what route is being taken, the Synopsis and clues at time that Ridley let lose with seemed to indicate a Crew of the Covenant arrive at a Planet that has only David, no one else but something Evolving and Xenos...

But the latest images of the Slaughter of what looks like Engineer related beings seems to show their is a Scene of slaughter and disaster... a number are thinking this is either.

*Covenant Crew

*Engineers after David is finished..

*Humans on Earth in the past..

But i think it relates to the Engineers Fall, or a previous relation to the Engineers and Mankind that connects us. and Thus a Flash Back Scene.

The Special Edition does have more extras, though I think we can live without some of them! :)

An acetate of Ash's initial findings on the Facehugger

A charred letter written by Janek shortly after landing on LV-223

Veterinarian report on Jones the cat [I want that, I love Jonesy!]

An acetate chest X-ray showing the development of Kane's Chestburster

An acetate of Burke's directive to Hadley's Hope asking them to investigate the derelict co-ordinates

Private Hudson's discharge papers

Rebecca Jorden's first grade progress report

A Bug Stomper nose art sticker

An acetate of a communiqué from Burke to Weyland-Yutani regarding his plan for impregnating Ripley and Newt

An acetate of Andrews' report on the EEV crash

Extracts from Dr. Gediman's journal

A replica of Carter J. Burke's communication card