Franchise Rants

I can't believe you did it Noob/Aorta. (Sorry dude but I still think of you has Major Noob!)

Oh my, where do I start? I'm sure I will be adding a lot of profanities to this topic. But I just want to begin with:

WTF is that ^^

I'm referring to the picture of that scene from Alien 4 were the (obviously) deluded scientist guy thinks that he's somehow managed to make the Giger Alien? (can you really call it that though?) submissive.

That scene in particular is comical and not in a haha (funny) way. It is comical because it is pathetic! Like the whole fucking film!

To be continued... 

It was so mind numbingly stupid and it showed. Brandywine/FOX had obviously not done their homework with this one.

They would come out with all manor of excuses and lame explanations for certain aspects of the film. Of-course they would try to justify it's existence because they wanted to make money, and as much money as possible. Fortunately, they failed miserably!

What an extremely stupid thing they did here that they would continue to fuck up a much loved franchise with a film that they thought the masses would accept as they did with ALIENS. It was basically the same story as ALIENS (Although ALIENS isn't quite as popular now compared to what it once was.) just on a space station with poor excuses for Giger Aliens and a facepalm third act. WTF were they thinking?

Dollar! dollar! dollar!

I'm sure other members could produce a better rant than that!

And, I'm not finished yet. To be continued.. 

Now you see pretty much the one thing that I like about that film is the glossy black MORBs. And the fact that they don't have segmented heads, which I always thought was way over doing it. But yeah, awful film. An alien comedy? Please. Plus, Joss Whedon. 

I won’t lie, all my anger would be directed towards Alien Resurrection. Dot get me wrong Alien 3 had its flaws but the fourth film sucked ass, big time.

The Newborn, how the fuck was that a good idea? Surely someone working on the film would have asked if that was a joke? Of all the cast and crew, not one of them raised their hand and asked “This is a joke, isn’t it?”They went from an Alien that violently rips its way through your chest and grows into a nasty m**********r to this thing that wimpers when it see’s what it thinks is its mommy.

Don't get me started on Joss Whedon. Hate the guy.

Yep! ^^^

The ONLY good thing about that film was the scene were Ripley (But not really Ripley, WTF) discovers her deformed siblings. (I think that was meant to be their chest burster scene.)

But yeah, terrible film...

Not got much bad to say about ALIEN 3 (apart from the early alien VFX from Woodruff, what a prick)

But I'm starting on ALIENS next... 

Not quite onto ALIENS yet still got beef with Alien 4.

The thing that pisses me off the most about it is that, not only was 2 hours of my life taken from me when I first had the misfortune of seeing it, now I've realised that it's taken another half an hour of life ranting on about how much I hate the fuckin' thing!

Time to move on I think!....

(To be continued tomorrow. Almost midnight here. Time for beddy bows!)

 Same time zone as necronom. legend.

Brandywine had nothing to do with Resurrection.

And it's a little naïve to complain that Fox was after money on Resurrection, when they do precisely the same thing on every film they produce. It's called show business for a reason.

Id have to say that Alien is my top favorite because it's done just right..it has a grander unknown world that is shrouded in mystery so the horror is elevated much more....... Aliens is 2nd place naturally because it is a great film that closely honored the 1st Alien.......;)

Alien 3? total complete crap.. just my opinion 

Alien resurrection.. (the effects were cool but) total complete crap of story and writing

despite Alien resurrection borrowing from two great Dark horse comics' "Aliens nightmare asylum" and "Aliens Labyrinth" Ginger has  praised the movie...but was very upset they didn't give him credit for his Alien design(s).

My faves are Alien, Aliens, Prometheus, and (already know ill like it) Alien covenant.

the Avp series, to me.... oh god kill me... It becomes more of a monster movie rather than an interesting conceptual soup. 

I can always appreciate and respect others having different taste tho because everyone relates to different things ; )  

The only redeemable factor of Alien: Ressurection comes to two items in the film. First is the EggSpore trap the Xenos get the Crew to have to swim towards & ladder up while Xenos are still chasing them after the failed Facehugger ambush (God was that soo fucking cunning & terrifying).

The other is when Ripley8 stumbles upon the previous 7 mishaps of reengineering a Queen Embryo/ Stay Alive Ripley. It's quite reminiscent to the Egg Morph Scene from ALIEN (in some regards) & shoves the fact that she has 7 failures proceeding er that are technically still "Ellen Ripley". Pretty fucking surreal.

@S.M I connect Brandywine with FOX because they have had and continue to have a lot of influence with FOX with regards to the ALIEN franchise. And when I say it's all about the money, what I mean is that making money is now their priority and that these days they think that they can take the short route, cut corners to make a bit of profit.

I mean, when they funded ALIEN, they made such a big deal about having to splash out money to produce it, that, if it wasn't for Ridley stepping in and insisting that it was done a certain way, we would have wound up with a film like spaceballs.

Of course they want to make money, (I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I aint no spoon.) But what I'm getting at is, when you cut corners in order to save money, don't blame anybody else but yourself when you don't make it work.

Has anybody ever told you you're cantankerous S.M? 

Brandywine haven't had anything to do with the franchise since 1992. The workprint of Alien3 didn't even credit it as "A Brandywine Production". It was credited as a Phoenix Company/ Gordon Carroll Production.  Giler, Hill and Carroll are producers in name only due to some contractual obligation on the first film (though Carroll wasn't credited on Prometheus or AvP:R).  They have had no real input since Alien3.

S.M.-

N4 is lamenting the crass cynicism that makes a movie like A:R possible.

There's a steady decline in quality and cohesion over the life of the Alien franchise, especially if you conclude that timeline with AVP requiem. But Resurrection itself almost seems like a deliberate attempt to kill it off, as though the spirit of the whole thing was one of opportunism and even disrespect. It's easy to imagine Giler and Hill behind it, given their ignorance of anything like integrity.

There were actually some interesting ideas (and I hate to admit that because I think Joss Whedon should be relieved of his success, and all it's brought him, and sent to live in his mommy's basement. Maybe with Adam Savage as a roommate) but they were executed with jolly disregard for what made the Alien story great.

While feature filmmaking is a commercial art, when the filmmakers have stature and vision it's still possible to make a compelling film. Prometheus seems to be a really good example of both sides of that coin, a sort of postmodernist space horror blockbuster diluted by executive manipulation.

Putting aside opinions on films or personalities, no one sets out to make a bad movie.  Doesn't stop them happening, but the people involved have a vested interest in getting it right.  I don't see any more cynicism in things like Alien3 or Resurrection than there was in Aliens. Fox hired people to capitalise on one of their properties.  They didn't spend tens of millions of dollars on something they wanted to stuff up.

I said said seemed to want to kill it off, O crabbiest of pants. It's a whimsical reaction, not a considered observation. You.

Not sure there's any call to get personal when disagreeing.

S.M you do give off a rather negative vibe, I thought it was just me being oversensitive!

I welcomed you to the forums....nada.....

I thanked you for your contributions.....nada

Granted you may know more than all of the rest of us put together, but please forgive me for saying that your attitude towards other forum members does come across as very curt and unfriendly!

@NOOB- I will be returning to this topic later [just home from night-shift] with my rants on the franchise! I was on the verge of starting this exact same topic, but I thought that I would get too emotional. I admit that Ridley's films are my personal canon too, and I will explain why ;)

@Necro- let it all out friend! XD  

I've not been disrespectful to anyone, and ignored the instances of name calling thus far.  Is 'Thou shalt not disagree with anything' a rule I missed?