Space Jockeys are Engineers?

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Edit: Maybe left dormant the Juggernaut keeps growing, like a tumor.

Who knows ?? This might actually be the case.
The ship at least seems part organic. Might it actually be some kind of sentient lifeform (Like Moya in Farscape), or like the LV-223 Engineers be part organic part machine ?

The buttons are squishy like a cross between jelly and a hard boiled egg. The inner structure looks more like a skeleton and less like an artificial hull. In order to activate certain consoles the Engineer has to use a flute to create a tune to which the ship responds. Its all quite strange and alien to us earthlings used to mechenical devices and electronics. 

This is just a random idea that I have, either they (the Space Jockey and Engineers) are:

1. Two different but related species like a cat and a panther are

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2. They are of the same family but they have two different tasks in the Engineer society. Let's say that one flies a military ship and the other one is flying ships with cargos. By this they are related but are not the same.

Hopefully I am making some sense in this post but if I am not then maybe I am not writing this good enough in order for people to understand it.

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@Charza, I really like your idea of the Engineers being genetically modified at birth for different purposes. It really would fit the concept of God creating minions specific to certain tasks. Engineers being a significantly older version Human beings, perhaps they lacked the genetic "freedom" us Humans have come to evolve? Perhaps that is why they seem to lack any definitive sexuality or gender. Maybe us Humans were created by them to further their own species and to attempt to break away from the shackles their creator put on them? So much to contemplate.

But, I really like how you pointed out the Bio-suits almost seem fused to the body - as if they are part of the ship and only purpose is to power / help grow the technology present within it.

The idea of the ships being somewhat organic, visually do make sense. Whether it actually grows or not? It's a fascinating concept and perhaps it's true - but the chamber the Juggernaut rested in looked like it could only grow a fraction more before running out of room. Could that chamber have been alone kind of incubator? Was the Pyramid a means of "feeding" the dormant ship and it's crew? Hmmmm....

"Maybe left dormant the Juggernaut keeps growing, like a tumor. "

It didn't seem to grow internally.

HAMMERPEDES! - You are most welcome! :)

The idea of white bald humanoids and ancient aliens was floating around at that time of creation of the very first alien movie and Giger did alot of concept arts of them,there was even a large mural showing those white humanoids wearing the SJ suits that was shot inside the derelict but was deleted probably because it would reveal too much of the plot and the audience would know what would happen next when the nostromo encounters the eggs.Ridley saved all that for later and revised 30 years later for Prometheus.

During the production of prometheus they were going to actually have a 15'+ tall race,like in this image that I found on blu-ray special features disk:

(Sorry for potato quality)

If my calculation is correct,the engineer in this image is 18'11'' or 576cm

However in this next image,wich I think is the same as above,the engineer seems to be 10'0'' or 304 cm.

The reason why the engineers are much smaller than the SJ is because Ridley wanted to focus less on CGI (or it would be too complicated and too expensive to actually have a motherf*****g 15 feet tall giant walking around).

The actors who played the engineers in the movie were over 7' tall,the tallest actor on the set was John Lebar if im not mistaken who was 7'3'' or 221 cm.The actor who played the last engineer (Ian Whyte) was 7'1'' or 216 cm.

People from the production did say that the engineers on that set are 9-10 feet tall.

And there was also a suit that was standing on the corridor of the chamber room in prometheus wich looks 9-10 feet tall to me.

In my opinion, 10 feet would be tall enough for the engineers to fit the SJ from the first alien,they just need to make them way more muscular

Dark Nebula....

Nice points.... i covered similar a long time ago, where i was pointing out that people dont even realize how tall 10ft or 15ft would be...

Verne Troyer (Mini Me) is actually 45% the Height of a average Male.... if we applied the same difference (average 2.2X) to the Average Male we would get a height of 12Ft 10"

The difference between Troyer and Myers in % would be the same as if we consider Troyer in the above image to be say 5ft10" then it would make Myers 12ft 5"

So we can see where the Illusion of Scale was lost in Prometheus, but the Concept work and idea in Drafts was for them to be 12-15ft tall and that was revised to 9-10ft  for the Movie... we are suppose to believe our LV-223 Engineers are 9-10ft when those with a keen eye could only get the Illusion of 8ft tops.

As far as the comment about being Chosen, that is most definitely perhaps true...

If we was to seed our DNA into storage so that we can clone Humans in future, in case of a Catastrophe if we also wanted to go and Colonize a new World then a ship that contains  Fertilized Eggs would be ideal

If we was indeed to do this, then logically the Scientists behind this kind of Mission would Chose the Most closer to Perfection Humans for DNA or Fertilized Eggs...  we would look to re-create a new Human Race using the best Genetics we can find.

And so its most likely the Engineers do the same..

We have had discussion about the Engineers being Clones, i think they are created Genetically for a Purpose and Similar but i would not think they are 100% Clones as far as Duplicates....  Even if we ignore the Elders Scene.

The LV-223 Engineers (Whyte and Lebar) did not appear to have the same sense of Perfection as the Sacrificial Engineer (Twiss) did.

I think the Engineers have strong genetic traits, like some Creeds/Races on Earth do...... Humans are not all the same... if you took 500 Males and 500 Females and then shaved the hair or cut it short to them all.

Then you got these 1000 Humans from every Race..

so 1000 Caucasians, 1000 Asian (Orientals) 1000 Africans   Then you would see more variety with the Caucasians... but Africans or even if we look at Aboriginal Australians then there is less variety because of the Strong Genetic Traits of that Race of Humans.

I feel this is the case with the Engineers, while maybe not Clones, i think they all have a similar Genetic Looks.

But even so, they would chose the most Genetically Perfect of their kind for the Sacrificial Roles.

I'm happy they made the Engineers 7ft. Any taller and they would make the Xeno's look like their pets. 15ft Engineer and his little munchkin Xenomorph.

The monster should be the focus..I think. Not the super beings.

As far as the Engineer Suits, maybe they are Genetically altered this way?  Or its just the Suits are so Advanced that when worn they fuse with the wearer, maybe for Life or maybe they can get out of them?

To me they look like biological versions of the Centurions suits in the 80's Cartoon, who's suits where fashioned that way so that their Technology could connect and fuse with them.

As far as if this is a different caste... we dont know they could go that route to explain the size difference with the Space Jockey but i think they are all still similar.

If we take the Biblical Account of God and his Creation.

Then while we never see God, we are created in his (their) Likeness,  we see Angels are depicted as being very Human Looking, and so maybe God also looks Human.... 

The Sumerian and Greek Gods Hierarchy also has different castes,  for example we have the The Twelve Titans and then Twelve Olympians who are all depicted as being Human like... 

Thus in each case Mankind was created in the image of the Hierarchy of Creators.  But sometimes these Gods are depicted as being Taller than Humans.

We also have Hybrids... between Gods and Humans to make Demi-Gods like Hercules who also looks Human, and the Bible gives us the same kind of Hybrid where Fallen Angels had mated with Human Women to produce Nephilim (Giants) who also appear Human just much Taller.

This could imply  that our Fallen Angels and thus Angels while appear Male, they could well indeed be Male... but there could be other ways they could Seed their DNA with Humans.

Like in the Bible, Adam was created in the image of God, he was Male and he was all alone and so God created Eve from his Body (Rib)

And so yes if we go for this in context to Prometheus/Alien Covenant then we could have different castes of similar beings who may differ in size and role, and order of Hierarchy but all look similar.

But then there is also no reason to Assume Engineers are all the same size..... Humans can vary on average from 4ft to 7ft with some coming in smaller and others taller, we are not all 5.5-6ft tall so we cant assume Engineers cant differ by similar % too....  thus to give us a range of 8-16 Feet easy.  If we assume the Engineers are intended to be 9ft then this would open up a range of 9-18ft tall.

I actually disagree with that MonsterZero...

i think they opened up a whole new Universe to explore with the Engineers/Space Jockey and the Xenomorph may just be to them as creating a Robot was to us...

I think this is what Prometheus wanted to expand upon since the change from a more 60/40% in favor of Xeno that Spaights draft had.

I think after Prometheus Polarized fans, and they saw the excitement for Blomkamps Alien 5, they (Fox) then decided to cover the Xenomorph more..

Which i think is a Good movie as once the Origin is covered and Xeno beast is cooked after Alien 5 and most likely 6 too...

Fox can still go back and expand upon the Engineers etc and what else they have been up to and created within the Galaxy or in other Galaxies.

I think we still need to see Engineers covered though, but i agree most important right now is to cover the Xenomorph Origin and whole Agenda for why such a thing was created first.

Yes.

An average human is 5'6''-6'0'' and there are humans shorter and much taller than that.

The tallest human who ever lived was Robert Wadlow who was 8'11''

The sad thing is that poor Robert died at 22 :(

The average height for the engineers could be 9-10 ft,so yes,there could be engineers way taller than that size.

About the suits,some guy mentioned in the documentary Furious Gods making of Prometheus that there are 2 types of suits that the engineers wear.

First one is called atmospheric suit,wich the engineers used outside the pyramids and when piloting the craft.

And the second one is the pressure suit wich provides them good protection (yes,it withstood the shootgun and the predator plasma caster as shown in predator fire and stone) and has some purpose with the hypersleep chamber.

Proof?

Yes there are Atheistic Differences... but they are supposed to be the same for all intensive purposes... and so as i said before, it could be simply a newer type of suit... like the Stormtrooper Analogy

Onto the Two Suits... yes they have the Pressure under suit, and then the Space Jockey Suit that goes over the Top.

We was left to ponder the purpose of those suits, but a deleted Shot would have given massive clues..

This would show they did not need the Space Jockey suit for outside... and then Humans could not breath outside but they could inside the Temple/Cave and the Juggernaught.

So its safe to assume those suits are not needed for the purpose of breathing on the ship... maybe not while it is docked in the Flight Bay.

Maybe the suits are a Bio-Hazard Hazmat suit to prevent the Engineers Repertory Systems from contaminating the Cargo...

It could be that the removal of the Prometheus Crews Helmets is what affected the Atmosphere of the Big Head Room that lead to the Black Goo being Activated.

This does not have to be factual....  but it would make a bit of sense.... we have to also note that Mosquitoes find a Host to prey for Blood via Chemicals we release during our Repertory System.

It'll be a race war...Bigger, taller, stronger...Just like what's happening in the Godzilla universe or King kong.

Make the Engineers bigger..they'll make the monsters larger...Soon they won't fit in human spaceships...They'll have to enlarge the spaceships so the monsters will be able to chase the humans around ....what if Kane gave birth to a Queen? She would have been stuck in a hallway!

I really don't want the Alien series crossing into fantasy.

That last image that Hammerpedes posted shows two completely different creatures to me.

On top of this glaringly obvious difference we have the incredible size difference;

The original Space Jockey probably being between 15-18 feet tall and the Prometheus engineers being around 9-10 feet when in their jockey suits. That's a huge 6-8 feet difference.

The interior of the pilot chambers are also completely different.

Are we really being expected to suspend our disbelief to that extent?

The only believable way in which Ridley can explain this obvious discrepancy, is if he shows them as being two separate creatures IMO.   

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Btw BigDave; love the Centurions comparison! I used to watch that cartoon religiously when I was a kid. I even had the toys. Happy days :)