THE MURAL ROOM

Brilliant! I've always thought that the goo reacts to SIN. And that the Giger Alien is a punisher or torturer of sinful life-forms.

yes, which means that we're all absolutely fucked

 THANATOS_CONTAGION - Hahaha! Speak for your self! ;)

    As for your post : I very much enjoy the amount of thought you have placed into the concepts you desire to convey! Indeed, there is much we do no yet know - and your post illustrates that remarkably well! :)

also a question: the black goo is engineer blood, no?

Very interesting concepts & I have Always viewed the MORB to be an Angel of Death!

Well ok if you want to approach from this angle.  The Alien life form could be viewed as some sort of demon, connected with fallen angels, and the punishment of hell.  But in most theological canon, these creatures normally do not have direct access to humanity.  Until some sort of afterlife.  So then this creature becomes the bridge between our two worlds? 

I actually interpreted Ridley's work as the exact opposite, in that he seeks to offer a secular explanation for the creation story, and the concept of a "god" or religious creator vs just an "engineer", or advanced race, who happened to combine DNA to create a "science project" as it were.

Yes, they could be one and the same, as ancient man might have "worshipped" an advanced race, and set them up as "gods" simply because the technology was so far beyond comprehension.

In fact I think that's where Ridley is going with all this.  Religion is just ancient superstition, according to him, and "God" is just an advanced race that "created" us by the manipulation of DNA.

So if you want to talk within religious terms, the Alien could be termed some kind of demon or devil, that was created by the "fallen angels" or maybe a sect of engineers that fell out of favor, according to religious cannon. 

This is certainly the tack taken by Ridley with the references to Milton and "Paradise Lost".  Again I think it is his attempt to explain our creation, in secular terms, which had nothing to do with the religious or supernatural, so to speak, as much as it had to do with super advanced technology.

I find it amusing that someone would re-connect the story back to religious terms, which IMHO Ridley is attempting to disprove. 

Well i think i know where you was going with the OP

And so i will not discus my theory of the Mural which i think is a Sacrificial Pose to show Sacrifice which the Engineers may had worshiped too....  or that gave them ever lasting life or similar.... many possibilities but i dont see it as God. or Jesus

But back to what i think you are touching upon as far as the Goo and Sin... how it reacts to Sin, there have been theories where some have said if there is Sin then it destroys and if there is no Sin it creates... i dont quite buy that idea, not entirely as if Shaw had not performed the C-Section she would have died giving birth no doubt and so yes she created life but would have been Sacrificed to do so and the Engineer likewise within that life cycle.

Fallen Angels has been referenced... by Ridley.

The Source had said some interesting things regarding the subject of Fallen Angels and Paradise Lost....   they said something like the Punishment for the Rebellion of Angels and being turned into Serpents is connected and that the Engineers view the punishment as a release from bondage.

They also said that Sin as in regards to Paradise Lost is relevant as without Sin there would be no Xenomorph.

Now they was vague as usual and so dont give the direct answers.... so by Sin do they mean the sin as in to disobey against Gods wishes and the Punishment lead to the Xenomorph?

Or do they mean Sin as in Satans Daughter who was born from his head as punishment for his Rebellion against God... this Sin is constantly in labor and a hybrid with a serpent and gives birth to hybrid serpent hounds of Hell.

if the source is correct, then i think these two are the likely reasons he must have been giving clues to... but it could be other reasons i just think within context of Paradise Lost which they say is loosely connected.

Ridley said Engineers are Fallen Angels... he said Paradise Lost is connected.

A 3rd of Angels joined Satan in Rebellion and most of them where punished and changed into Serpents

Their Leader Satan, was punished too and gave birth to Sin (Daughter) via his head and he had no recollection of the event until he came across her guarding the Gates of Hell

Well Ridley has refereed to the Xenomorph as a Serpent before but he mostly called it the Dragon, which in the Bible and Paradise Lost the Dragon/Serpent mean the same thing or from same thing.

So could this be Fallen Angels are evolved to Xenomorphs or related as a Punishment well at least a portion of them?

The Face Huger gives birth via the head... it latches onto the head to plant its Embryo which Gestates inside, and victims often have little memory of the event.

Could this tie in with Satan being Face Hugged to produce Sin? a Hybrid Female and Serpent?

As far as the Mural Room and the effects on the Atmosphere who knows maybe you could be touching on something... some did think the Leviticus 22:3

Passage could be relevant, but then the Goo also affected the Engineers so they are unclean too?  But we have to assume the Goo/Room did not always react to them it was a outbreak and they had set up that room and Murals etc and their Space Jockey suits may have something to do with not affecting that Room

And they did try to run to that room.... so i think it was a Sterile and Clean Atmosphere that somehow not only preserved the Engineers Head but also prevents or slows down the spread and speed of infection with the Black Goo.

In a uncontaminated Environment that the room was supposed to be those Urns are not activated.

"In fact I think that's where Ridley is going with all this.  Religion is just ancient superstition, according to him, and "God" is just an advanced race that "created" us by the manipulation of DNA."

right, but the point is that obviously something that these angels did with regards to our creation had a negative impact on them and the way the universe functions so i dunno if you can just wash this story away in a secular form. i don't know if it would be good to throw it away as a secular story because, well it's the purpose of the existence of life and the ethics that surround life itself which are at stake. i mean you don't want to be charlie holloway who maybe naively proclaims that the creation of life is no big deal at all, or words to that effect.

i just find it difficult to accept the secular stance given the amount of suffering humanity has gone through at the hands of its' own kind....slavery, famines, lynchings and other extreme levels of depravity. i'm not against nothingness, but i think how you come to define that word says everything about what we are as an idea.

hey dave i need your knowledge to answer me this question:

is the black goo just engineer blood?

thanks!

and also to elaborate on this issue. look, the atheist says there is nothing after death, the believer says there is something after death. who is right? lets break that down, the atheist says with the word nothing, that there is NO INANIMATE OBJECT after death, the believer says that there is SOME INANIMATE OBJECT after death. who is right? because both the atheist and the believer seem to contradict their stance. the atheist by his placing of no inanimate object after death, in essence supposes that an animated and living entity exists after death, due to his or hers rejection of objects. the believer on the other hand rejects the idea of a living God and says that the afterlife is the place where inanimate objects dwell. do you see what i mean with this?

in short: the lack of inanimate objects is not 'nothing' and the presence of inanimate objects is not 'something'.

@ THANATOS_CONTAGION;

I can't speak for BigDave, but personally, the true purpose of the Black Stuff still remains very ambiguous.

In the opening scene of Prometheus we have an engineer or elder (we still don't know for sure yet if the engineers and elders are members of the same race.)

He consumes a substance which appears to be the black stuff combined with something else, (I'm colour blind so I don't know what colour the other thing is. Some have said it looks like gold, but obviously, I don't know that for a fact because I'm colour blind.)

So, this other material (gold) may have some significant relevance in answering why the substance in the opening scene appears to have a different effect to the LV223 goo. 

The black stuff we see on LV223 doesn't appear to have this "gold" element combined with it in the urns?

Because it's so ambiguous (especially to me) we are forced to use our imaginations to a great extent.

At the moment, most of us are under the impression that the black stuff in the urns is Giger Alien/Morb DNA, or atleast contains it as a combination of other elements.

Indeed, it may very well contain the DNA of the Engineers.

However, there is a big visual cue of what the urns may contain. That visual cue is the Alien/Deacon in the mural. It is in a cruciform pose which suggests that it was sacrificed for some reason and whatever is in the crystal on the alter in front of it contains it's DNA.

You will probably know that in the trailer the crystal wasn't there. Instead it showed the sacrificial bowl similar to the one from the opening scene.

But is the substance in the urns the same substance that's in the sacrificial bowl or crystal?

Maybe it will all be explained in Covenant. 

necronom thanks. i was basing my assumption on the black goo being engineer blood off of the opening scene. when the engineer sacrifices himself, he bleeds black into the water. the head that blows up bleeds black from the ears before it explodes. now, the issue then becomes this if we assume that the goo is engineer blood: it seems to be a spiritual substance, like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eitr

in any case, the black goo seems to be an ethically loaded substance that generates and mutates forms according to some kind of wrath.

Yes Eitr. I started a thread about that a while back. But I've also made many other threads about the black stuff and what it truly is.

There's a part of me that wants to know everything about it. But then I think 'will the answer I'm given be satisfying?' the answer is, probably not.

It reminds me of the monolith in 2001 a space odyssey. For a long time people were debating what it was and now we all know what it is.

yes pal. very true on the monolith comparison. prometheus is a sci fi classic and i pity anyone who doesn't see it.

I know I've asked this before and I think it was Major Noob who answered my question. I think it was a thread titled "Whispering wives" in which I was asking what colours were in certain elements of the film (Prometheus.)

Can someone tell me what colours they see in the sacrificial cup, in the opening scene of Prometheus?

And do those colours appear anywhere else in the film? 

I've found it!

Whispering Wives

God I loved that old site! The dark grey tones and the intuitive navigation. Very ALIEN like!

they seem to be some kind of crystals. either that or his grandmother's fake teeth.

i always thought it was like worms and stuff in there and other life forms that he swallowed died and turned into amoeba or something.

Jesus! 4 years ago I was a bit of a dirk

no necro, you were and are a LEGEND. fucking AIRWOLF wow. post your art here!