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Jimmy N the hood

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This time last year it seemed like Neill Blomkamp's proposed Alien sequel was being fast-tracked, then all of a sudden he postpones it because Ridley Scott wants to make Alien Covenant. Before Blomkamp announced his movie Prometheus 2 was going nowhere then when Blomkamp comes along Scott changes his mind. Wow thanks Ridley Scott for destroying a perfect Alien sequel instead we're getting another crappy one 

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The Prometheus sequel had been in the works for a long time before Blomkamp's idea surfaced.

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Little soon to call it the perfect Alien sequel when we know almost nothing about it.

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Perfect sequel? Sigourney Weaver will be the same age as Harrison Ford when he did Indiana Jones 4...that doesn't exactly inspire much confidence. Hicks will be 61.

The hole thing sounds like Indy 4.

Indy 4: 2 old timers(Indy,Marion) and a fresh face(Mutt)

Alien 5: 2 old timers(Ripley,Hicks) and a fresh face(Newt)

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I'm sorry, Jimmy, but names like Weaver, Biehn and Blomkamp do not suggest a perfect sequel.

Ridley's movie is being done first because it's ready to go. Far from going nowhere, it's been written, honed, storyboarded, conceptualized, location scouted, cast, built, booked etc. and, as S.M. said, these things have been underway for years.

Blomkamp dropped his Aliens reunion idea just before Chappie came out. The timing suggests buzz building as much as anything else. Then Chappie came and went and you can imagine the brakes were applied at least somewhat in reaction. Say what you want about Ridley, he's experienced, and bankable.

Ridley's movie didn't go from a handful of concept paintings to a potential green light, Blomkamp's did, and largely on the merit of mainstream response to another Ripley movie. It'll happen, when it's ready. This is not necessarily a good thing, but whatever.

In the meantime, Ridley Scott is not shattering your dreams, don't buy into common opinion. He doesn't need to stop anyone's superior movie so he can have his own. Lol. Please.

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Ok so Ridley is a more experienced filmmaker but Ridley, Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn, even James Cameron praised his script for the film. I just hope Ridley gives Neill Blomkamp the green light to make his Alien sequel 

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Cameron praised Terminator Genisys

Weaver thought the script to Resurrection was good enough she was willing to come back and play Ripley.

 

Both of those ended up being bad-trash movies. Not saying Alien 5 is necessarily trash, since we once again don't know anything, but getting a script praised by people, some of which are actors that will get pretty big paychecks for being a part of it, doesn't equate to "perfect Alien sequel". There's parts to get excited about but I wouldn't get my hopes up off an idea that just had some concept drawings.

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"I just hope Ridley gives Neill Blomkamp the green light to make his Alien sequel."

If FOX want to make another Alien movie they will. It's the studio who green light a project and provide the budget.

I wish people would do a little more research before laying blame on Ridley Scott!

Many of us have been here since 2012, patiently waiting for the Prometheus sequel we've always known was going to happen!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

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The point is it really isn't Ridley's choice. He will have influence, but it's the people who will invest and hopefully profit that will decide. Ridley praised the script as well, by the way.

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We seem a bit light on facts. If it is made Ridley will Produce A5 and has agreed some alterations to harmonise more affectively with his developing Trilogy. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the films that have been made which we can talk about.

A 3 struggled to build on A S. Sigourney was able to bow out and then change her mind and come back again and have a producers role on A R which felt even more forced than A 3.  

Now both movies are to be ignored for a tangental storyline which Miss Weaver approves off. Either she has developed better perspective or she is making this up as she goes along.

Ridley's basic premise "Who was the guy in the chair" was brilliant and whilst I know many like me value Prometheus enormously we know he struggled with precisely where it sat. Somehow Neil's contribution seems to have been to get Ridley to focus on that and there is after hesitation a real sense of certainty with A C and a planned closure with a final film.

So the relationship with A 5 is complicated but I am much more nervous of A.5. than A. C. but very keen to see both made.   

 

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Jimmy-

Prometheus was much more abstract than was to many people's taste. But it was setting up a lot of stuff, new toys for an old playground.

Don't write off Covenant until you've seen it, at the very least it will be an entry in the Alien story executed by a master, and the originator. You might just like it.

Edit- ha ha oops I see I've been repeating what everyone else has already said. Sorry! Doing this on the fly. 

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Jimmy N the Hood:

 

I am honestly more interested in Alien Covenant, the Alien movies haven’t been interesting since Alien 3 (including the AVP movies). This is not to say that Prometheus was perfect but at least they were trying new ideas, too bad that many of the characters sucked (among other things) still I think that Prometheus is OK despite its many flaws.

 

A perfect alien sequel? I would wait and see when the movie gets released if I were you. For some reason I understand why some want to see it because they like Alien movies plus that Prometheus was a disappointment to many but I would save my judgement about the movie until after I have watched it.

 

Honestly I am not very interested in another Alien movie (after Alien 3) I would like to watch AC though and I really hope that they have learned something from Prometheus so they get more things right this time so it will at least be somewhat good. Good is better than OK, Prometheus was OK so I hope that AC will be good. The Alien movies had their time but been there done that, time for something new but they must get the characters right this time. If you look forward to Alien 5 then good for you but I am not interested.

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I think they still plan to make it and i would think Fox would be willing to give it a go....  but its down to commitments of cast members.... especially Sigourney Weaver.

As far as Production goes...

After Prometheus was out... Ridley and Lindeloff had rough ideas of where they wanted to go with this movie...  But Ridley Scott had a busy scedule  but they then passed this ideas on in a board meeting with Fox and they got Jack Paglen to work on a draft.

Which he did throughout the Summer of 2013, Micheal Green was brought in to then revise the draft having gone through a number of changes... Prometheus 2 had reached Final Draft stage by October 2014

Blomkamp had worked on Alien 5 as far as a short lot and concept work i am not sure it was a final draft but just a baseline of a story and ideas around early 2014

And so yes in 2014 both movies had been worked on as far as Stories... But Fox and Ridley called Blomkamp and they would have had a meeting to discus Alien 5 as there was a few things that was conflicting with Prometheus 2...    So few changes would have been made and Ridley confirmed as a Producer role and it was pretty much a all systems go at this point.

Which seemed to be as though Prometheus 2 had been put on back burner....

They all must have collaborated with each other (Fox and Ridley) as far as how to proceed with the Franchise as both movies went all quiet around Spring of 2015 but it seemed Alien 5 was going to be given the Green Light first....

We then (i think was Autumn 2015) had new information on Alien 5, where things had changed from seeming like a movie set short time after Aliens... to one now that would be set 20 years after..  at the same time Ridley Scott announced Alien: Paradise Lost

This then in matter of a few weeks became Alien: Covenant with a Synopsis that seemed different to what comments on Prometheus 2 had led us down as far as Plot...   which was to follow David and Shaw, for more answers on why as far as creation and destruction and explore the Engineers Agenda and who else may be pulling the strings and stepping away from Alien and the Xenomorph...

Alien Covenant seems to be a U-Turn...

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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So we have to look at things logically...

1) Prometheus 2 was looking like a movie to go off to where these Engineers came from, and indeed we would be meeting them or some other beings who are far from friendly... Shaw would be wanting her answers, but the Godlike beings she hopped to find are not Gods and not Benevolent towards us... but David has a Cargo of Hell.... and it seemed like we would be getting more back ground to the Engineers their origins and role in the whole creation of us, and if creation of us is all these Engineers have done... while with David and Black Goo we are bound to see more Black Goo Escapades... the Traditional Xenomorph seemed like something they was trying to step away from...  Prometheus had Two Routes... one leads to Alien as far as LV-223 and LV-426 connection.... the other lead to the reasons for LV-223 and what these Paradise Engineers or their creators Agenda was..

It was a less Xena-connection movie as they wanted to step away from the Xenomorph.

2) Alien 5 Blomkamps movie seemed to be carried on after Aliens... the concept work did not show a Ripley/Hicks who is as aged as the Actors are now and was to tackle a alternative event after Aliens.

It seemed they would be tackling some Asian Company that has got its hands on a Engineer Ship (maybe Derelict?) or if not then a Asian Company has called upon Ripley and Co to deal with it....   There seems to be a way of exploring Xenomorph Biology and Engineer Technology and we see different kinds of Xenomorph as well as Traditional... we also see Ripley using Engineer Technology....

There was questions of how do they pull off such a movie as Miss Weaver has aged 30 years since... and also Ridley had said Alien 5 touched upon things that would conflict or spoil things he wished to address with Prometheus 2 and 3...

CONCLUSION...

It would appear Prometheus 2 and Alien 5 drafts/ideas had been changed so both movies dont conflict each other and maybe so both movies can make connections as far as Plot... or things in the Plot... i.e what becomes of Engineer Technology after Prometheus and prior to Aliens.

This seems to be the case..... as far as PROMETHEUS 2 AKA Alien:Covenant the Alien Prefix has been added to make more of a connection to Alien 1979 and Xenomorph and it seems Alien Covenant will spill more beans on the Xenomorph so that a Alien 5 can then cover what it wants without having to tread on the toes of a Prometheus sequel...

If Alien 5 was to cover Engineer Technology, and how much of this is out there... and clues to reasons for the Xeno.. its Origins... or clues to procreation (re-visit Egg Morph) then if any of these things spoiled what they was eventually trying to tell in a Prometheus sequel and another after that...

Then surely its wiser to spill the Xeno beans now... give the answers.. so Alien 5 can go and do its thing and then a future movie can cover the Engineers History more..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Will Neill Blomkamp still make Alien 5?

Let's hope not.

Ridley was planning follow-ups (that's right, plural) to Prometheus. It had nothing to do with trying to sabotage Blomkamp's fantasy of eliminating Alien 3 and Alien 4. I think it has more to do with the Studio not wanting to put two Alien movies into production at the same time. Put one out, see how it does and go from there.

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Big Dave:

 

If AC is a u-turn compared to Alien Paradise Lost meaning that we will have more Xeno connections compared to Prometheus then it is a good thing. Since the Xeno connection in Prometheus was maybe too vague for some people then it might be better this time around. We don’t need to see them in every scene but a better connection to them than we had in Prometheus would be nice.

 

To me the Engineers should have a clearer link to them but there is more to them than just the Xenos. I would like to see how they create different bio-weapons and maybe a little bit about their culture but maybe they should show it in flashbacks or something in the beginning of the movie? My hope is that they will show the Engineers as creators of life; imagine a Frankenstein with a God complex which could be scary if it is done right. For some reason I didn’t find the Engineers to be very scary in Prometheus unfortunately but that is something that they could develop.

 

My hope is that we will see more about David’s agenda since he seems to be a curious one. I am not sure if his intentions are for the best but it will be interesting to see.

 

A movie about the Engineers without the Xenos is a movie that I feel 50/50 about. On one hand it is interesting because the Engineers did the Xeno or had something to do with its history and on the other hand we have the other things that have got to do with the Engineers which could be interesting. I haven’t made up my mind if I would watch a movie about the Engineers without the Xenos but maybe it would work if it has enough gore and people that we can identify with in one way or another.

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There is another way of looking at this. Ridley has always said the most difficult element is to find a good script which in the case of the A L I E N mythos will make the sub created world really come to life. After the existential threat of Prometheus and the difficulty that Elizabeth knows so much Ridley may have viewed the Paglan and Green scripts being more of the same big on ideas and low on relatable characters.

So how do you make the threat more anthropomorphic and the characters more relatable, and low and behold the thought of Ripley and the Zeno again seems to be gaining traction even given the hoops that need to be jumped through to put her in front of Zeno's again the denial of two films.

So the big ideas move into the back ground and into the foreground comes a bunch of relatable characters but what makes it really exciting is David and Elizabeth are naturally and imaginatively in the mix.    

As David said its a fast paced narrative moving through big ideas how much that is due to A 5 we may never know. 

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Patient L:

 

I am more interested in AC than Alien 5. We have already seen Alien 1-4 and the AvP’s. At least AC is trying something new (the Engineers) but they need better characters than Prometheus had.

 

The Engineers could be made interesting but unfortunately they weren’t very fleshed out in Prometheus. Good idea – bad execution on screen. My hope is that they will make better human characters and also make more sense of the Engineers.

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@Thoughts_Dreams

Part of the problem is that the need in this era of cinema is to have multiple films and stretch out an idea as much as possible (Harry Potter, Hunger Games, etc). So of course the Engineers weren't going to be fleshed out much in their first film. But they also need some mystery. If they are totally explained and exposed that could ruin it too. So it will need to be a very delicate balance for Ridley to pull this off. It is a grand and ambitious undertaking.

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Michelle J:

 

“So the big ideas move into the back ground and into the foreground comes a bunch of relatable characters but what makes it really exciting is David and Elizabeth are naturally and imaginatively in the mix.”

 

Having interesting ideas is all fine but a movie won’t be good if there are not well done characters that we can at least in a way connect with and understand. This is not to say that they shall neglect the ideas but they need to give the characters better attention and develop them better this time. I hope that we will be given some explanation about the Engineers and their connection to the Xenos. Maybe we will see some of their society and how it works (be it in flash-backs and what ever) but at least some of it should be explained.

 

My interest about the movie is the Engineers and their connection to the monsters. What is very much needed are human characters that we can relate to and find interesting meaning that we can wonder what will happen to them next. Hopefully they will make the Engineers more threatening because they didn’t feel like that in Prometheus.

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Patient L:

 

I understand that they try to do more movies to explain things but they should have explained some more about things that they did in Prometheus. They shouldn’t be totally explained in the first movie but they could have done better. My main concern are the human characters, the Engineers come after that.

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